#indieweb 2024-02-16

2024-02-16 UTC
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[Joel_Auterson] i am slightly worried about what the angry fedi people are going to do when they find out about backfeeding
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[KevinMarks] They're already blocking all of http://brid.gy and http://snarfed.org so Ryan can't even talk to them
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[Joel_Auterson] the open web, baby
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[manton] Increasingly feel that some Mastodon folks don’t care that much about the open web. Hopefully it’s just a loud minority. I wrote a longer post about this yesterday. https://www.manton.org/2024/02/15/mastodon-and-public.html
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[Joel_Auterson] good post
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[Joel_Auterson] [manton]++
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Loqi [manton] has 13 karma in this channel over the last year (44 in all channels)
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[manton] Thanks!
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[Joel_Auterson] the last few days have really put me off mastodon, tbh
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[tantek] It's very saddening for sure. Don't let a small minority of bad actors determine the vibe for the whole thing though.
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[snarfed] [Joel_Auterson] agreed on a possible fear of backlash againts backfeed. the good news is, tons of people have passed around and looked at the original versions of my posts, on my site, with all the comments from the fediverse visible, and I haven't seen a single complaint about those
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[snarfed] I assume people who paid attention mostly assumed I was running the WordPress AP plugin. which is fine
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[tantek] Very good post [manton]++
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Loqi [manton] has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (45 in all channels)
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[snarfed] agreed, thank you for the support [manton]!
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[KevinMarks] People are scared of the idea of it, not the actual practice of it (which I pointed out somewhere)
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[snarfed] [KevinMarks] interesting point!
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[Tim_Nolte] [manton] ++
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Loqi [manton] has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (46 in all channels)
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starrwulfe There are a whole lot of angry people who don't know much about how things actually work and seem to want to camp on the internet and just be loud. They are just as bad and damn near on parity as the pariahs they think they've run away from.
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starrwulfe In short -- knee-jerk reactions (and being reactionary in general) does nothing for the advancement of any cause and only serves to entrench people into their camps. Also, Reading Is Fundamental. Gyattdayum read. Seriously, most foolishness like the last 3 days could be avoided if people read more than just the title and first paragraphs of things and get in their feelings.
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starrwulfe Incoming blog post expanding this topic but I want to get as much detail as possible; I'm a minority myself and made of asbestos and I'm also a Big Boy with a big mouth so think its OK for me to call BS on some of these folks out here.
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starrwulfe also if anyone can point me to any good discussions and blog posts I can cite that have taken place elsewhere, please let me know
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[KevinMarks] I posted a fair few to de over the last few days. I also recommend reading with phanpy.social as it maps threads with replies a lot better than the default client
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[KevinMarks] *dev
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starrwulfe oh yeah I do like ++phanphy.social so much, it's saved as a webapp on my desktop and phone.
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[KevinMarks] Read this thread up and down https://xoxo.zone/@KevinMarks/111930718743712656
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[tantek] starrwulfe I posted tangentially on the ephemeral web re Masto/fedi drama, and I recommend [manton]'s recent posts. See the #indieweb-stream channel for a bunch more since Wednesday
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[tantek] I'd also cite evanpro's comment on the BF issue that got flames
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starrwulfe noted. I saw that and also Sean Tilly's post too on We Distribute.
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starrwulfe ICYMI:
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starrwulfe https://wedistribute.org/2024/02/tear-down-walls-not-bridges/
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[tantek] [KevinMarks]++ well written
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Loqi [KevinMarks] has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (34 in all channels)
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[KevinMarks] Also look up polotek's threads
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aaronpk hm do we need to collect these on a wiki page somewhere
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[tantek] some of them probably deserve IndieNewsing
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[tantek] e.g. the TechCrunch article that quotes [snarfed]
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[tantek] https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/14/bluesky-and-mastodon-users-are-having-a-fight-that-could-shape-the-next-generation-of-social-media/
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[tantek] let's see if I can write a 10min blog post (no not about Masto)
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starrwulfe can't wait to hear your take
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starrwulfe ---err READ...read your take. 😅
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[tantek] it's not a take! it's about the wiki design updates!
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starrwulfe Oh! LOL
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starrwulfe Literally not about masto.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://tantek.com/2024/047/t1/indieweb-major-update-design
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aaronpk wait tantek when did you start posting to indienews! tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 21 karma in this channel over the last year (107 in all channels)
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[tantek] WOOHOO!!!!!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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capjamesg [tantek]++
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Loqi [tantek] has 22 karma in this channel over the last year (108 in all channels)
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[tantek] BOOM THERE IT IS
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capjamesg All the celebrations!
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capjamesg Was that blog post written pre- or post- espresso?
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[tantek] now let's see how it shows up in the newsletter :crossed_fingers::skin-tone-2:
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[tantek] no chance to edit
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[tantek] capjamesg post espresso AND lunch!
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[tantek] aaronpk, I searched for "follow" on your homepage and didn't find it. I had to URL guess at your /follow page. Did I miss an icon or other text label?
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aaronpk oh hmm
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Loqi misses an icon or other text label too
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[tantek] gives Loqi a high-five
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Loqi eyes the high-five
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aaronpk it's linked from my AP profile page which is what you would end up with if you encounter me via AP https://aaronparecki.com/aaronpk
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[tantek] left me hangin again!
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aaronpk but good idea, i should add to my home page
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[tantek] "AP profile page"? I have no idea what that means as a web user 🙂
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aaronpk correct
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[tantek] unless you have a profile on the Associated Press website 😉
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to2ds Associated Press profile == impressive!
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[tantek] 😂