#indieweb 2024-04-18

2024-04-18 UTC
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[Scout] ↩️ i can come next time! a rare wednesday evening off 🙂
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[Ros] ↩️ [Scout] It would be great to see you! Next Wednesday Joe is running an ace front-end study hall: https://events.indieweb.org/2024/04/front-end-study-hall-FHS5M2AofkU4 - I’m not sure if I can make it but I’m gonna try
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[Ros] I’m not 100% sure where my message belongs but I’m thinking here because it’s related to our Homebrew convo yesterday about what stands in the way of a newbie website-maker thinking HTML is too complicated to understand.
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[Ros] I found this tool: *https://ia.net/presenter -* it’s designed for making presentations entirely in markdown. It’s really nice to use! I thought it was a good demonstration of making “text with more punctuation” (™ [tantek]) accessible for newbies. If you are interested to check out how they walk the user through the process, the demo is free for 2 weeks and you can see the markdown language explanation on the sidebar.
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[Ros] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2024/04/indieweb-20240418-154035-screenshot_2024-04-18_at_16.36.06.png
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[contact898] (Mac-only it seems)
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[qubyte] I think the #1 best thing to help with that perception of HTML is view-source. Browsers are making it harder and harder to find these days (not the dev tools, actual _view source_). It’s not present at all in desktop Safari until “Show features for web developers” is checked in the settings. Shouldn’t need to be a dev to be curious.
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[Ros] ↩️ correct
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[Al_Abut] 100% agreed [qubyte]. That was my biggest takeaway from yesterday’s discussion - a helpful reminder that viewing source is a powerful feeling if you’ve never done it before. Like pulling back the curtain to see that the web is made of things you can understand.
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[tantek] I'd like to see better support of View Source on mobile personally. Anyone have a good view source experience on mobile or tablets that they can share?
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[campegg] [tantek] I don't know if I'd say it was "good", but the least bad experience I've found for iOS is the Web Inspector extension: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/web-inspector/id1584825745
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[campegg] And definitely better on iPad than iPhone
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[tantek] yeah I was hoping for something built-in
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[tantek] as in enabled by default (or maybe with a setting?) inside a browser, no need to install anything else
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[tantek] like something someone might have already installed ideally
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