#indieweb 2025-05-08

2025-05-08 UTC
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rosipov [snarfed] oh I thought webmentions were born 2017. Nice
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rosipov perryflynn that looks neat. I'll follow your progress with great interest
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[morganm] Hello indieweb 👋. I turn 36 soon. I imagine the marketing demographic switches from something youthful to back pain medication the day the clock strikes my birthday
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chudincolous Hey.. guys?
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doesnm hello
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capjamesg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577279223595022/1370063217925161121/Screenshot_2025-05-08_at_16.41.30.png?ex=681e224d&is=681cd0cd&hm=42fc48687cf06499e990311f2d34844a53fe0c09c87458f45711ea798b3a66f5&
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capjamesg I thought I'd mock up a web reader view that fits as many links onto the page at once as possible 😄
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[snarfed] fun! shades of craigslist, hacker news, etc
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Zegnat I currently have 1080 unread items in my reader. Maybe finding a way to display as many at once as possible is a fun idea to try!
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[schmarty] Or maybe blast your way through https://youtu.be/ptYMKpYMXzs
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Zegnat Ha, also fun!
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capjamesg I will join soon!
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[artlung] Glad you could join capjamesg[d]!
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capjamesg [artlung]++ Great FrESH!
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[KevinMarks] https://www.aldaily.com/ is quite good at density
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[tantek] capjamesg++ nice dense design!
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btrem Might be kicking a hornet's nest, but here goes. Re: https://indieweb.org/footnote that [tantek] posted yesterday, I'm a bit skeptical of the claims and advice. For example, "ASCII footnotes like [1] are easier to type, yet when inline in prose, can be distracting to readers." Is there any evidence that it's distracting to readers?
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btrem And the suggestion to use unicode superscript numbers. FWIW, those numbers are too small to read with my crap eyesight.
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btrem They're described as "less distracting." Well, for me at least, they are certainly less /visible/. So I guess in that sense, they are less distracting. ;-)
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rosipov Zegnat what are some of your favorite RSS subscriptions?
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btrem I'm also surprised that's there's little mention of prior art, specifically wikipedia, which uses bracket footnotes, e.g., `[2]`. I've gone with that style for footnote references because it's what wikipedia uses. If it's good enough for them....
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[tantek] Wikipedia’s footnotes are also small and superscripted
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Zegnat rosipov: I have all my webcomics and youtube subscriptions in there, so it feels hard to compare between subscriptions
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btrem ! Am I looking at the wrong site? :-D
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[tantek] I mean yes they are *also* in brackets but they are definitely smaller text and superscripted
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btrem Yes, but not afaict using special unicode characters.
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btrem Rather, using standard html markup, i.e. <sup>.
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btrem I guess I'm wondering why the advice to use special unicode characters? Is there prior art for that? Or some evidence to support using it instead of what Wikipedia does?
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[tantek] two different questions. there is prior art for using smaller superscripted numbers per every print style guide in the world like since forever. CMoS etc.
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[tantek] unicode superscript numbers are "plain-text" and thus far more syndication safe. e.g. they make it through to Mastodon views of my posts, e.g. when people repost or reply on Mastodon
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[tantek] Mastodon, for example does not allow <sup> so if you use that in your post to depend on making footnote refs look smaller and superscripted, it will not show up on Mastodon views / replies / reposts of your posts
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btrem So it's for POSSE? That's mentioned in https://indieweb.org/footnote. But there's also the claim that unicode characters are more readable than the wiki method. I disagree, as the unicode characters are quite a bit /smaller/ than the wikipedia style. So much smaller that I can't read them.
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btrem I guess the POSSE argument makes sense, but since I don't POSSE, that doesn't affect my decision.
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[tantek] I suppose the same would apply for POSSEing to Mastodon but this is for direct federation.
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[tantek] I don't POSSE to Mastodon. My website federates directly with Mastodon followers via BridgyFed
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[tantek] the accessibility challenge is an interesting one and I wonder how other places that display Unicode handle that
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btrem I'm not on Mastodon at all. Thought about it, but not enough to actually do it. Given how little I've participated in other social media sites, it'd probably amount to nothing for me.
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btrem There's a spec on my computer screen, and it just happens to be right above the "n" in "Mastodon," making it look like "Mastodoh!" :-D Mastodoh, social media for Homer Simpson!
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Loqi [tantek], btrem: we try to keep jargon (federation, spec) out of this channel to make it more inviting to newcomers, can you move this to #indieweb-dev?
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btrem Hahaha Loqi. I misspelled "speck" and got scolded! :-D
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Loqi hehe
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btrem Also, what does it mean that I misspelled it in that way?
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[tantek] lol Mastodoh
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Zegnat That one seems to exist as a .com
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btrem Reminds me of the not-the-sgml-faq. There's was something about "if you said start::end instead of start::stop you've been doing sgml for too long. OSLT.
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btrem It's a pity that the not-the-sgml-faq seems to have died. Links to it on various pages return 404 not found. Alas!
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formercanaanite I wanted to ask of your guys' opinion about blogs. I surf through many small websites, its very nice seeing a website with a really active blog, but when I find a blog that is even a few months out of date, it feels it's "dead". I feel like there's a particular power to portfolio websites, especially the few that don't show you content arranged by date, and I sort of wish more such websites acted like wikipedia, with "blog po
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[aciccarello] It's funny how showing a date can make content feel older than content without a date
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[aciccarello] I've found making it easier to post on my site helps fill gaps. For me, that was supporting smaller post types like notes and replies with micropub. But it depends on what someone wants to post.
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[aciccarello] There's also the "digital garden" or "commonplace book" model which is more like the wiki structure you're talking about
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[aciccarello] what is a commonplace book
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Loqi 📓 A commonplace book (or commonplaces) are a way to compile and store knowledge, usually by writing information into books, notebooks, card catalogs, or in more modern settings on one's own website https://indieweb.org/commonplace_book
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rosipov I'm with aciccarello on ease being critical. Although I'm still not comfortable with short form (less than a page at least) content
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rosipov I've got big gaps in years, but when I do actively write I actually try to spread out my writing by scheduling for the future. And not just for the look, I personally find it motivating that I have "3 weeks worth of things written" - eg on Monday I have an ode to my shredder going love and I get to be excited when I write AND when it goes live.
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rosipov Double the joy!
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gRegor I want to do something more on my homepage to highlight even if my latest article was a while back, I have other short form posts like notes, bookmarks, etc.