#indieweb 2025-06-01

2025-06-01 UTC
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[aciccarello] I'm always writing mine on the last day too 😅
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[aciccarello] Not getting one in this month though
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hormigant waddup
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hormigant any1 in here
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[morganm] Hello, yes, people are here! Albeit it's the weekend
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[morganm] This channel is mainly for posting about what's new on personal websites
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nsmsn I published my host-post for June’s IndieWebCarnival: https://www.nicksimson.com/posts/2025-indieweb-carnival-take-two
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nsmsn [edit] I published my host-post for June’s IndieWebCarnival: https://www.nicksimson.com/posts/2025-indieweb-carnival-take-two
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nsmsn I hope folks have fun with this month’s theme!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWeb Movie Club: June 2025" https://dead.garden/blog/indieweb-movie-club-june-2025.html
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[tantek] ^ nice Easter egg [Jo]++
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[Jo] thanks :°)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://osteophage.neocities.org/essays/you-can-make-a-website
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[tantek] osteophage++ great post!
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[tantek] Only question I have is why link to W3Schools? They're typically thought of as unreliable and out of date in web design etc circles. As an alternative: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/curriculum/
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[Jo] osteophage++ great post also love the graphic 🧶
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[artlung] osteophage++ yes, terrific post!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Project Millwheat" https://gerben.dev/posts/project-millwheat
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[tantek] ^ not indieweb related
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[tantek] aaronpk, heads up if you want to del from IndieNews db
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perryflynn probably it should be more clear which posts should be shared on indienews. I also had issues with figuring that out since there is no hint that it should be indieweb-specific and not just from a indieweb site here: https://intercom.serverless.industries/
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perryflynn arg, clipboard... I mean here: https://news.indieweb.org/en/submit
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gRegor Yeah, homepage blurb "IndieNews is a community-curated list of articles relevant to the Indie Web" could also be on that submit page
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[tantek] +1
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osteophage There's a wiki page on relevance here: https://indieweb.org/relevant_to_the_IndieWeb_wiki
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osteophage [edit] There's a wiki page on relevance here: https://indieweb.org/relevant_to_the_IndieWeb_wiki
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osteophage Anyway, thanks for the positive responses, folks!
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osteophage [tantek]: [tantek] -- I linked to W3Schools because I've used them a lot to look up various CSS properties and because the site is relatively navigable and easy to parse.
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osteophage The only time I've heard of any issues with them is when I happened to stumble across this website (note the update): https://www.w3fools.com/
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osteophage [edit] The only time I've heard of any issues with them is when I happened to stumble across this website (note the update): https://www.w3fools.com/
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[tantek] Yeah I saw the update. W3schools was so bad for so long that it's gonna be a while before I think they're worth a second chance. I’m also going to lean towards recommending openly maintained community resources
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[tantek] "Anyone" can help improve MDN, many people in this community have. Private sites, less so if at all
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[morganm] Im willing to definitely grant that W3 schools is ok as a reference source for tables of properties and basic information but stuff like https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_custom_select.asp me strongly doubt it's usefulness . Basically no context is given to the accessibility needs of select menus and the code is like achieving one thing in a bloated way
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[morganm] Contrast the quality of MDN here https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn_web_development/Extensions/Forms/Customizable_select
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osteophage There's always a tradeoff. I wanted to combine links to resources of varying lengths, and the shorter and more approachable stuff generally seems to be individually written. With that said, I'll take some time to look through MDN though as an alternative general reference link and see if it fits what I'm looking for.
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[morganm] Completely fair :)
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[morganm] I use W3 schools still sometimes when it comes up as a first search if I need some basic info but basically yeah I trust mdn more as a source
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[morganm] So many of my hobby webpages are partially copy pasted from example code samples in MDN. I think I've used the styling of `details` elements from Mdn like dozens of times heh
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[morganm] As a side note about my example above -- boy am I excited about native styling of select element menus. Still one of the biggest requests and pain points I've come across in my working life
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