#indieweb 2025-06-16

2025-06-16 UTC
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Owl hi
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nineowl Hi, I found this somehow through ChatGPT. I was asking for help learning how to make a website, and in the process I put my mission in my page, and I think based of the mission it showed me a link to your site. In general, I'm trying to get into web development because I grew up with 2000s internet and people had their own websites. And you could actually surf the web. I think it's so important that people are in charge of their cont
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nineowl Happy to find this community
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tantek.com welcome nineowl[d]++
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Loqi nineowl[d] has 1 karma over the last year
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witchveil Hey. New here but old enough to have had a personal website on geocities back in the late 90s. Not done much web dev since then. Would love to get into the indie web and make myself a new/personal website now. I work in IT, mostly on the infrastructure side but do some coding in Terraform/Ansible/Python. I know some HTML but barely anything on the CSS/JS side but always love learning new things.
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witchveil I had a question. For those of you that code your own HTML etc. What editor/IDE do you use? I use VS Code a lot and it seems more than capable but wondered if there was anything better/more suitable for web development?
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perryflynn vscode is fine, if you're using jetbrains for some reason, the jetbrains webstorm IDE is also great.
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witchveil perryflynn: Thanks, perryflynn 👍
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bread perryflynn: vscode is fine. vscodium is the open source && no telemetry one from the community. both are gud
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bread witchveil
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perryflynn I still stick to the original vscode because of extensions like remote host server and the WSL integration.
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witchveil Thanks bread, I was about to ask if all the extensions/add-ons still work on vscodiium
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witchveil but I guess not?
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perryflynn at least some microsoft maintained extensions are not available in the forks.
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witchveil ah yes, that would make sense
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hacknorris idk if here or on the other channel but do someone here know quite decent visitor counter for a site?
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hacknorris but one which isn't crap one (surely one which doesn't display ads on MY site)
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hacknorris like i don't care if it will require account but like i want: no ads for viewers (if it's in dashboard idgaf cause i have adblock) and i'm mostly NOT interested in seeing countries hitting my site (generic plain numbers of visitors i could put idk in navbar…)
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hacknorris + i'm in EU
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perryflynn I tested my indieweb talk today in front of some friends. still have to find a better way to explain how indieauth works. or just put a "read here" link into the slides and give a demo. everything else went okay. just a few small adjustments.
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hacknorris :(
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hacknorris no answers
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perryflynn But I would add some nice examples of websites to the talk. do you have recommendations?
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perryflynn hacknorris: I would build it by myself. no big deal to create a counter with some php. that's why I didn't answered.
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hacknorris i don;t have server?
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hacknorris (neocities…)
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perryflynn ah, yea, that's a problem. shared hosting for a buck or two is no option?
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perryflynn It does not have to be cloud or modern stuff. A good old web hoster with PHP and MySQL is sufficient for most stuff.
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Loqi hey perryflynn, it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (PHP, MySQL)
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hacknorris perryflynn : nothing paid is an option
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perryflynn Then I can't help you.
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hacknorris (that's why neocities…)
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perryflynn Maybe sdf.org with cgi. This is included in the free plan here: https://sdf.org/?join
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perryflynn But requires skills in coding with old tech.
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hacknorris i use php personally on localhost but i need to close laptop every night due to reasons
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nineowl What are some security precautions you guys take when building websites?
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hacknorris for now i make it static only but i have enough of it
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[snarfed] static only is great for security
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perryflynn Also use static here, so that when I need a break it does not hurt when it's inactive for half a year.
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[snarfed] if you also don't have user login or accounts or any other kind of public facing auth, you're pretty set, any other concerns will be minor
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perryflynn Main issue nowadays are security problems in systems like WordPress or plugins/themes of that system .
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perryflynn And when I build some PHP myself, I always use twig template language to not have to take care of escaping user content.
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perryflynn But that's maybe a topic for the dev channel.
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[artlung] Anything you store or take input on - whether that's a form or does something in response to querystrings - you have to think about security. That seems like a good starting point because it's really easy to create cross-site-scripting vulnerabilities.
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[artlung] More broadly, I feel like the "OWASP" principles are worth a review.
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