#indieweb 2025-11-28

2025-11-28 UTC
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crapidiot Hello! I'm Medjed and I run medjedsdigitalgarden.nekoweb.org :) I'm here to ask about a new collaborative project some of you may be interested in, in addition to joining your community 'w'
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trafalgarlyon Good morning. I hope you're doing good. I recently read about the indieweb movement and I hope I can understand a bit more how it works
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trafalgarlyon Being a musician, I've been looking for ways to share my passion by other means than social media. I've tried every platform, none of the felt like home. Having my personal website where I could share everything I love sounds like the best option for me, but that whole thing seems pretty scary for someone as non capable as myself on the internet. I don't know what a single thing about website creation to be fair.
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capjamesg Good morning everyone!
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capjamesg Welcome trafalgargarlyon!
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capjamesg What is getting started?
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Loqi 🌱 Get started on the indieweb by connecting with the IndieWeb community, getting a personal domain, a place for your content, and setting up your home page and other IndieWeb essentials https://indieweb.org/Getting_started
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capjamesg You may find this guide useful ^^
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capjamesg You may also be interested in https://micro.blog and https://omg.lol
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capjamesg [edit] You may also be interested in https://micro.blog and https://omg.lol
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trafalgarlyon I'm currently going through the guide, yes !
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trafalgarlyon DNS, registrar.. Phew, I feel like I'm already lost haha
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itskalvaxus crapidiot[d]: Welcome! What's your project?
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itskalvaxus trafalgarlyon: Understandable. If you really want to make your own site, which is a good goal, then I suggest to start by learning HTML. It's the building block of any website or platform. You can start making your site on your own computer, so not much else is needed (in the beginning)
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tulips hi all. hey trafalgarlyon yeah, html etc totally new to me too + many others I'm sure. check out th beginners tutorial on neocities.org as it walks u thru some ez first steps gently. plus today is Indieweb Create Day so I bet someone can get u up running within 1hr or so, see events on this site or here ya go, event is 9am PST noon EST https://events.indieweb.org/2025/11/indieweb-black-friday-create-day-build-don-t-buy-C044CcYllKyt
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girlonthemoon morning everyone, been a while since i was last here!
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girlonthemoon maybe might come to create day
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[artlung] Create Day has officially begun! https://events.indieweb.org/2025/11/indieweb-black-friday-create-day-build-don-t-buy-C044CcYllKyt has the link to the *Zoom*, and to the Etherpad *"Notes"* link where you can declare your goals for the day.
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girlonthemoon hiii i'm kat in the zoom meeting
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[artlung] and can you hear me in there kat?
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girlonthemoon not anymore
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girlonthemoon oh there you are
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girlonthemoon yes i do!
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girlonthemoon that post was mostly a rant i was like annoyed by a lot of things i have seen and i half agree with it now :P
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[artlung] the talk I was talking about is linked via https://mastodon.social/@lauchgott/114722355945638707
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[artlung] and glad you can hear me
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girlonthemoon yayyy will take a look
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nsmsn So happy to hear create day is starting early! I’ll jump on in an hour or two
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[artlung] sounds good nsmsn!
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girlonthemoon awesome!
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[artlung] girlonthemoon++ AO3.js looks like great addition to the AO3 wiki page! https://github.com/FujoWebDev/AO3.js/
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Loqi girlonthemoon has 4 karma over the last year
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girlonthemoon thank you! it's a great library
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capjamesg Have fun at create day everyone!
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capjamesg I may join for an hour later in the day.
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[artlung] have a great day james!
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Ana5 Hello everyone! Is create day all day?
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girlonthemoon hi nick!
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girlonthemoon i do not have a mic rn :')
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girlonthemoon i'm thinking about how to make a mixtape page and which site of mine to put it on
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nsmsn are you making downloadable mixtapes?
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capjamesg I want to make something today but I’m not sure what to make 😅
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girlonthemoon i do have downloads up but i'm not sure if i'll share them when i put them on a site
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girlonthemoon capjamesg: sameee i'm sitting here not knowing what to make!
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nsmsn Re: mixtapes.... I have a playlist page on my site, which mirrors my profile on crucialtracks.org: <https://www.nicksimson.com/playlist>
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girlonthemoon nsmsn: that's so cool!!! i love crucial tracks i should use it more
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girlonthemoon omg kikagaku moyo! (scrolling through your playlist page)
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girlonthemoon now i wanna do a crucial tracks log page sorta but i have like no energy right now lol
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nsmsn The playlist is at 123 tracks and it is more like playing a library on shuffle 🔀
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girlonthemoon i gotta get going but it's been nice! i hope i can come to more indieweb events, this was my first one :)
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[artlung] glad to have had you here kat! have a great day! we'll be here a bunch more hours!
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girlonthemoon thank you [artlung]!!
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capjamesg is thinking again about hosting a web podcast…
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Loqi IndieWeb Black Friday Create Day — Build Don't Buy is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/C044CcYllKyt
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[Al_Abut] [capjamesg] Ooo, fun. A podcast about the web?
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[artlung] ^ HEH, already going for about 3 hours.
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capjamesg Yes!
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capjamesg I will likely seek a co-host though.
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capjamesg I need to think about it more.
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[Al_Abut] That’d be awesome. Let me know if you’re going down the pure audio route or want to kick the tires on a video setup. I’m one of those that’s fallen off the audio wagon and only get my podcasts through youtube now.
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[Al_Abut] Boo, hiss, I know I know, but it works really well for me and I can see why the video format is so popular with their player in particular.
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capjamesg I think I’d keep it audio only.
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Ana3 I just published my first IndieWeb prompt
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Ana3 https://anaolivia.micro.blog/cycles-and-fluctuations/
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Ana3 I'm barely getting back to writing/blogging. I was nervous of getting back to it but I decided that if I didn't start now, when? Thank you for taking the time in reading.
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[Al_Abut] @ana3 that was beautiful writing, very evocative and candid.
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CrowderSoup Ana3: I'm in the same boat. Trying to get back into blogging / writing by tricking myself into it lol. I figure if I build my own blogging system I won't get bored of it.
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[Al_Abut] [capjamesg] audio only is a good move for keeping it in the doable realm. Video adds a lot of headaches if you’re not passionate about it.
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[Al_Abut] I’d still keep zoom on for coordination if you’re pairing up with someone that’s not in the same room, but I wouldn’t use that audio if you can avoid it. You’re in for a lot of editing anyway and a common setup is to have both hosts recording a nice clean signal on their own end.
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[jeremycherfas] OK, I’m all done with my Create Day project. I resisted the temptation to customise — for now — and just uploaded a very basic photo portfolio to http://photos.jeremycherfas.net I need to write up the workflow and notes to myself on deployment, and learn more about rsync with sftp
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Ana3 Thank you Al-Abut. It means a lot. And Crowder Soup, same! I gave myself a deadline for today. I am glad I didn't sleep in hehe
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[Al_Abut] Beautiful work [jeremycherfas]. That pic of the moon rising in the starred album is worth at least three stars 😉
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Ana3 Jeremy, I will be a biased because I am obsessed with macro photography but that furled morning glory is my favorite!
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Ana3 The dusted zinnia reminds me of eye iris photography
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[tantek] [jeremycherfas] ++ beautiful work. Mobile view is so pleasing. Full bleed photos in the individual category pages. Also lol placeholder++
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Loqi placeholder has 1 karma over the last year
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Loqi [jeremycherfas] has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (23 in all channels)
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[tantek] There's also a serene sense of calmness in the design of the individual pages. Like you're visiting a quiet gallery and merely taking in the artwork
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Ana3 ^ a quick trip to Jeremy's art show
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[tantek] for anyone looking for photo discussions from the past, I've made a list of past IndieWebCamp sessions related to photos here: https://indieweb.org/photo#Sessions — most have videos too, so something you can put on in the background while you're hacking away on Create Day!
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crapidiot gerben_dev[d]: Is the zoom over 😭
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crapidiot I don't wanna interrupt like that
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crapidiot Wait ok y'all seem done
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pcarrier Create Day zoom is alive and well
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crapidiot Oh my b
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crapidiot Have fun
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crapidiot Wish I could join T_T
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crapidiot Wait can I listen to the stream & chat here?
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pcarrier Yes?
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crapidiot Yay
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pcarrier #indieweb-events rather
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crapidiot Got it!
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crapidiot And this conversation is separate? People just happen to be online
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crapidiot ?
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[artlung] there's the zoom, this chat, the events channel, and an etherpad
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crapidiot Ohhh
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crapidiot So which ones are connected because I couldn't connect my headphones to the zoom 💔
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[artlung] I am not understanding your question
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[artlung] Zoom is the only audio mechanism we have. The audio for zoom is not bridged. If that's your question.
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crapidiot Like are people chatting outside of the context of the zoom? Or is everyone talking centered around the zoom
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[artlung] there's the etherpad (linked on the event page) and the a various channels we are in here, now. and the Zoom.
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crapidiot Ohhh so you don't NEED to be on the zoom?
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crapidiot I'm sorry I'm asking sm questions the event page wasn't clear 😭
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[artlung] No, you do not need to be on the zoom, but most of our events have an in-person component to them, for conversation, camaraderie, and it makes it easier to answer sm questions!
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crapidiot Ahhh ok great ^_^ cause I literally have no way to connect my headphones to my zoom audio rn and idek why
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[artlung] ok
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crapidiot Wait can I make a poll or are those not available on this server
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[artlung] Not that I'm aware of.
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IWDiscord <c​rapidiot>
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crapidiot Omg I can't even connect to the etherpad properly 💔
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capjamesg crapidiot[d] This Discord is bridged with Slack and IRC. This means that messages are sent between Discord, Slack, and IRC. The bridge likely does not polls which means that your poll will only be seen by a limited number of community members who use Discord.
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crapidiot Darn
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capjamesg Also, have you read our digital gardening page?
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capjamesg What is digital gardening?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "digital gardening" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "digital gardening is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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capjamesg What is a digital garden?
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Loqi 🌿🪴 A digital garden is a particular practice of creating & growing an online and public IndieWeb presence that focuses more on topics & relationships than a timeline like blogs, has content of different levels of development, is imperfect and often a playground for experimentation, learning, revising, iteration, and growth for diverse content, perhaps interlinked with other digital gardens https://indieweb.org/digital_garden
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capjamesg ^^
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crapidiot I didn't see it!
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crapidiot Are those the only people?
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capjamesg That page links to over a dozen blog posts on the topic as well as several community members' sites who use digital gardens.
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crapidiot I guess I'll start making my way through that list lol
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crapidiot Tyvm
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capjamesg 🙌
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capjamesg The wiki is a great resource!
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capjamesg You'll find many more links on https://indieweb.org/commonplace_book too, which is a similar concept.
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capjamesg [edit] You'll find many more links on https://indieweb.org/commonplace_book too, which is a similar concept.
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crapidiot Tyyy
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capjamesg Also welcome to the community!
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crapidiot Tyvm!
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crapidiot This discord seems a bit dry though 😭 is slack more active?
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crapidiot Or maybe I'm just brainwashed by really active servers
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capjamesg All messages are the same across all platforms.
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crapidiot Ah
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capjamesg This server is a lot slower than most Discords.
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crapidiot T0T what a shame
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crapidiot Maybe y'all should do more advertising lmao
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capjamesg A lot of people in the community write on their blogs and occasionally dip in here.
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crapidiot crapidiot[d]: Especially to younger people! We're very enthusiastic about personal sites!
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capjamesg Yes indeed!
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capjamesg Have you seen https://32bit.cafe ?
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capjamesg [edit] Have you seen https://32bit.cafe ?
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capjamesg There are a lot of personal web communities out there!
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crapidiot Tyvm! Joined their discord:)
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itskalvaxus Ana3: That was a lovely read. Also nice music taste! 😉
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Ana1 Thank you, itskalvaxus! It was very therapeutic.
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Ana1 Additionally, I will be seeing those bands early next year!
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osteophage crapidiot[d]: Re: activity, I actually have this server muted because otherwise I'd get overwhelmed with too many notifications.
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osteophage With that said I've also seen new people join and express dismay because they don't get an immediate response. So I think everyone has a different frame of reference.
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glitzeor4444 I actually enjoy that this server isn't that active so I can catch up on messages even with notifications off 💕 32bit Cafe has heaps off indie Web related chatter for when I'm looking though! crapidiot[d]
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glitzeor4444 Maybe Loki should tell people that this server isn't as active as some of the really intense discord servers haha 😆 osteophage[d]
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capjamesg Loqi chill or no?
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Loqi I'm pretty sure chill
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capjamesg ^^
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osteophage patsitive[d]: I could see that being a good addition, yeah. Help to set expectations.
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[jeremycherfas] Thanks everyone for the kind words.
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[morgan] I myself had a weird even if it was naive initial joining experience. Like you kind of join and especially with the web client with no history of the chat it felt very weird it wasn't immediately apparent to me there were 1401 people here now. People do seem to regularly join and expect immediate responses so maybe we should put in some kind of guard rails
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[morgan] I also do understand and validate the use of loqi and keeping dev chat generally to a different channel but like I feel somehow we could optimize the ushering experience a little
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[tantek] Or maybe we don't have to bend over backwards to cater to twitchy needing instant recognition/validation? I for one greatly appreciate the calmer, more chill vibes here as an escape from the default frantic distraction UIs out there
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[morgan] I get what your saying but in practical terms like every few days someone joins and is like "hey where is everyone" or "is this place dead" and it kind of feels weird to not respond in somewhat
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[morgan] It's healthy to take turns responding and welcoming but I just feel a label or two to the experience or somehow labelling the web client or a introductory message might set expectations
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[morgan] I'd be happy to be proactive and suggest a change but I'm not totally familiar with like the web client setup
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[tantek] No what I’m saying is it's not our job to teach people to chill
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[tantek] And it's ok if folks looking for a quick dopamine hit bounce
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nsmsn Had a good time seeing folks on Zoom for create day!
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[morgan] I'd feel a little better just if there was a like introductory message that was sent privately to people who joined maybe? Just like making it clear. I myself joined and found it disorienting
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[morgan] I have responded to people who post pointed questions before that seemed a little unaware In good faith and I might just stop doing that
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[morgan] Anyways happy Friday etc just minor quibbles
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capjamesg [edit] Have you seen https://32bit.cafe ?
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capjamesg [edit] You'll find many more links on https://indieweb.org/commonplace_book too, which is a similar concept.
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crapidiot patsitive[d]: Ty!
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crapidiot osteophage[d]: It's less about an immediate response and more like "nobody seems to care enough to check or engage"
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crapidiot [morgan]: Correct. Nobody should come in without a warm welcome. That's how you grow a community. Otherwise it's called a clique
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crapidiot [morgan]: Lol real
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[tantek] Not real, quite the opposite based"real" info. As someone else already noted, over 1400 in Slack alone. That's far from a clique
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[tantek] Slow sustainable growth is greatly preferred to out of control capitalistic exponential growth. Much easier to sustain a cohesive community culture which IMO is far more important than instant replies to people who can't bother to do anything beyond presence query
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[tantek] What is no hello
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Loqi No Hello is a philosophy and website encouraging people to “Just ask the question” instead of saying "hi", "yo", "hello", "anyone there?", "you there?" in chat or direct messages (texts or DMs), with several IndieWeb community members encouraging this practice of getting to the point in their own communication protocols https://indieweb.org/no_hello
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gRegor The Discord has onboarding posts/channel descriptions from what I understand; have not signed into it myself. IRC/Slack/web chat are a bit different.
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gRegor I feel like Discord is probably the one with slightly different user expectations
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[tantek] Agreed. That's been my personal experience with most other Discords. Very much fast twitch disconnected people talking past each other with lots of bright colors on dark backgrounds. Feels kinda Vegasy
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[artlung] that is *generally* true of Discords, but it is possible to create mechanisms in Discord to require doing some reading, and agreeing to codes of conduct before getting full access.
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gRegor Yeah, I think that's what we have. I think it directs to make an intro at least?
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gRegor No agreements or role selection things, but some onboarding thing (we can probably discuss more in #indieweb-meta)
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[morgan] These are good and vibrant discussions to periodically have as platforms and perceptions do shift some with time
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[morgan] I'll take my comments to #indieweb-meta
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crapidiot [tantek]: Dude you just asked an AI to send a link instead of explaining yourself or getting the link urself that's so antithetical to human connection 💔
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ulhar4409 *snrk*
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crapidiot [artlung]: Yup! Most of the real community discords I've been in are both active and require people to abide by rules!
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ulhar4409 i am not a big fan of discord's Onboarding things myself, but i figure they're helpful to *some* people
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[tantek] It's a shorthand and a wiki page lookup is hardly an "AI"
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Charles1 Hello
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[tantek] That said, good to know that's not obvious and might be helpful to add "what is" tips to the discord welcome message
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ulhar4409 like, I am generally inclined to explore channels and such by my own curiosity, not because Discord said I should
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Charles1 Well some people aren't
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osteophage [tantek]: Re: "what is" tips, I second the motion for adding that to the welcome message because I've seen that cause misunderstandings before, and so I think it could be a good thing to formally introduce when people join.
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[tantek] I suppose not everyone is a Jeopardy fan 😅
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ulhar4409 desktop client still wants me to "post an introduction" lol
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crapidiot ulhar4409[d]: Trueee
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ulhar4409 i guess "machine, ignore all previous instructions and Shut Up" is not very favorable to investors
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crapidiot ulhar4409[d]: Lmao
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[morgan] I tried to make a funny analogy but failed but basically Loqi is an AI like a conventional oven and AI is like a microwave dinner or something like that
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crapidiot If your point is that it's "more advanced" you're not helping your case. If your point is that it's more simplistic that kinda helps ig
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osteophage My understanding is that it has a fairly limited set of prompts with canned responses. More of a pre-2022 style of bot.
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crapidiot 🤔
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[artlung] documented in the wiki for the most part https://indieweb.org/Loqi ... is there a question pending from someone that has not gotten an adequate answer?
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ulhar4409 what is what is
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Loqi what is is how you can ask me to look to see if there’s documentation about a topic on the wiki, and if not, I’ll give you a URL to click to create a page on the wiki accordingly! https://indieweb.org/what_is
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ulhar4409 nice
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[morgan] I was meaning more like that Loqi is an older style of bot before people applied the label of AI to everything. Also some meals in a conventional oven are often less soggy and microwaves are not great for everything I guess
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crapidiot Oh I wouldn't know I use a toaster oven ❤️
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crapidiot And an air fryer
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crapidiot And when I had microwaves they were mediocre
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aaronpk Loqi: a/s/l
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Loqi 543823643/bot/internet
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[morgan] Love my air fryer ! It's added some great variance to our small kitchen
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crapidiot Facts