#indieweb 2026-01-18

2026-01-18 UTC
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[snarfed] joeshmo not at all. there are lots of fully hosted platforms that are very indieweb friendly, including helping you find and register a domain and handling all the technical parts (DNS etc) for you. eg https://micro.blog/ !
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[snarfed] lots more on https://indieweb.org/web_hosting
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osteophage General instructions here: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
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osteophage But yeah there have also been a lot of conversations about how to make things easier: https://indieweb.org/easier
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osteophage Personally my contribution was to make this guide: https://osteophage.neocities.org/essays/you-can-make-a-website
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[snarfed] awesome! yeah I think a big part of our job here is to keep pushing the (secondary) message that making your own web site *does not have to require* running your own web server, or writing HTML, or otherwise being at all technical, etc
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aspizu joeshmo: I'm a bit troubled by this mindset of dumbing things down. Why can't people learn how to make a website, its not tht difficult and saying that html is beyond the technical knowhow of most people is a bit insulting to their intelligence
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aspizu [edit] joeshmo: I'm a bit troubled by this mindset of dumbing things down. Why can't people learn to be more technically literate, its not tht difficult and saying that html is beyond the technical knowhow of most people is a bit insulting to their intelligence
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aspizu maybe its just the culture that has normalized leaving the technical things to the experts
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[snarfed] we think about desire than ability. we definitely don't mean (and didn't say) that it's *beyond* anyone, but we also don't think people should be *required* to learn HTML, server admin, DNS, etc to have a personal web site
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[snarfed] it should be up to them
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aspizu fair
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aspizu i feel like being in control of the means allows you to express yourself more
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[snarfed] in some ways, sure!
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aspizu like the ability to choose the typeface, colors of your website, vs the defaults provided by a blogging site like medium that you can't change
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[snarfed] eh but there are plenty of platforms that let you format, style, theme, etc. medium is an exception
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aspizu whats the difference between fediverse and indie web
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aspizu because both solve the issues of privacy and ownership
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aspizu [edit] because both solve the issues of privacy, freedom and ownership
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osteophage "Solve" seems like too strong a word.
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aspizu i mean yes, if you really do not want to get technical, thats ur choice, but i feel like theres a stigma around being technical so people would tend to be scared of it
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joeshmo I guess what I was trying to say is that it has to be as simple as a facebook post, instagram post or tiktok video.
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osteophage Speaking off the cuff, I figure the fediverse and the indie web have some overlap at best, but you can definitely have one without the other. Federation is a way of connecting websites to other websites, and the indie web describes a web that's relatively independent and generally focused on personal websites.
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osteophage Regarding onboarding, I wrote some more about that here: https://osteophage.neocities.org/essays/indie-web-priorities#onboarding
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[snarfed] joeshmo yes! we think there are a number options that hit that mark. http://micro.blog, http://wordpress.com, etc. feel free to try them out!
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aspizu a personal website where you aren't in control of the means would be kind of a misnomer
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[snarfed] if it's on your own domain, and you're able to export the data and migrate to a new host, you're in control
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osteophage I think that's an oversimplification in some respects.
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aspizu then that is not as easy as hitting post on twitter
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[snarfed] aspizu two different tasks. compare eg migrating a web site to a new web host to migrating a twitter account to the fediverse, or to bluesky
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[snarfed] osteophage true! but we think a reasonable one
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aspizu isn't one of the goals of the atprotocol to make it easy to migrate hosts
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[snarfed] yup!
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[snarfed] web too, ideally
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aspizu another consequence of having people be more involved in the technical aspects of a website is more diversity in terms of creativity
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aspizu neocities (and geocities) websites are so much more complex visually
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aspizu uh .sh domain kinda expnsive
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aks i want to add more flair to the front page of my site but idk what
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aks or maybe just a sidebar
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aks now its just header, links to subpages and list to blog posts
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ulhar4409 consider: put a lizard
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ulhar4409 maybe I should draw an Udon for my homepage hmm
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ulhar4409 i also have an ascii udon in the footer
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aks adding a lizard is good idea
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aks im gonna make one of those sticky sidebars, i always liked those for some reason
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aspizu add 88x31 buttons
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ulhar4409 i have some on my old site, should bring those over to the new site some time
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aks I have those in my about section
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ulhar4409 i'm also debating on making a new button thingy where Udon takes up more of the canvas
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ulhar4409 shaped shifter does *not* want to be space-efficient though :^)
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ulhar4409 i should also try putting some toki pona stuff on my site since it's fun
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Loqi totally
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aspizu ulhar4409[d]: i used to go by my toki pona name on twitter until i changed it to a5pizu
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ulhar4409 i got this pseudonym by putting my favorite color (blue) through a draconic translator :P
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aspizu statistically blue is everyones favourite color
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ulhar4409 kind of funny that i still use it these days, considering blue is no longer "exclusively" my favorite color nor am i exclusively a dragon
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ulhar4409 i have come to learn that all colors are beautiful
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aspizu i like to think of color as the medium
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aspizu its not beautiful on its own, until its used to create things that are beautiful
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ulhar4409 i kind of bounce around green, yellow, blue, purple...
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ulhar4409 also yeah true
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aspizu blue being the most pleasnt to look at because theres a technical reason behind it
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aspizu in nature, its the rarest color
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aspizu so it makes sense why we like it so much
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ulhar4409 part of me wants to say "unless you're a furry"
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ulhar4409 blue fur is very common for furry characters :P
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ulhar4409 (part of me wants to integrate this into my silly worldbuilding schemes somehow)
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ulhar4409 (i.e. "most popular favorite color" would be something else entirely)
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ulhar4409 i am also not immune to blue fur
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_sonoto_ Hi, nice to meet yall 🙂 I'm Sonata, just a fullstack web dev enjoyer and I was looking for some friends to share project ideas and advancement with ✨
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capjamesg Welcome!
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[bunnyguy] hi sonata!
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[tantek] Welcome Sonata++
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Loqi Sonata has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] You may also want to join #indieweb-dev for more development and project ideas chats!
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xdrramenx Hi! Just joined after a friend tipped me off to this. I have been very very slowly rebuilding/redoing my home server rack after moving and having a kid, and I have honestly not had the energy to get it back online. This has honestly given me a huge boost of inspiration as and direction ❤️
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aks added sidebar to my site now :D https://akselmo.dev/
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Loqi [preview] Akseli Lahtinen
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ulhar4409 nice nice
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ulhar4409 i took a peek at the markup because i remembered you adding h-feed stuff, and i noticed that's not there now? rip
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ulhar4409 (i was about to say the sidebar would be a good place for an h-card too)
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Loqi friendly reminder ulhar4409, we try to keep jargon (markup, Microformats) out of this channel to make it more inviting to newcomers, can you move this to #indieweb-dev?
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ulhar4409 ;; maybe if deeper discussion is wanted, but otherwise that's about my end of it
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capjamesg aks++
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capjamesg The sidebar looks great!
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aks thank you!
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aks ulhar4409: seems all works fine with the microformat stuff
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ulhar4409 oh, individual pages have h entry on them, hadn't noticed that
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ulhar4409 (also forgot about the footer, although the avatar in the sidebar would be convenient to mark as u-photo)
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aks good idea
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randomdsdevel [edit] > I can't reference where I said I'd make some notes about what I can look into doing in the spirit of this project the other day since this channel purposefully doesn't have logs enabled, but I've managed to write those 'some notes' down now: https://github.com/RandomDSdevel/discussions/discussions/2
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[snarfed] [edit] unrelated, for anyone interested in Bluesky who doesn't have or want an account yet, users and posts are public via the API, you can check them out in https://blue.amazingca.dev/ and other similar third party tools on https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto-ecosystem
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@kevinmarks Standards are documentation, not legislation. They explain how to make your code do the same thing as mine. Sadly, we write them in an imperative voice, and don't explain how we chose them. @slightlylate has more to say: https://infrequently.org/2018/06/effective-standards-work-part-1-the-lay-of-the-land/ #Indieweb #microformats (twitter.com/_/status/1006674190831742976)
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[KevinMarks] [edit] yes, sure. See also https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1006674190831742976
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Loqi [preview] Alex Russell
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[tantek] lol is that discord echoing back what it got from the bridge from Slack?
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[morgan] Something new on my personal website: https://www.morganwebdev.org/posts/original-layering-machine/ . Ill be honest, this is mostly just a few pictures of "unboxing" a music board machine. But also, I tried out my first audio sample made with it and included it with a basic `<audio>` tag marked up with a caption and a download link. Taking notes for a more up-to date part 2 about how it works
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Loqi [preview] [Morgan Murrah] An Original Layering Machine: Part 1
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