#indieweb 2026-06-28

2026-06-28 UTC
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chr0m4
“Promoting an explicitly humanmade Internet by having the plagiarism robot generate a website that tells people to handmake their own website? Does anything matter anymore? Am I going insane…”
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chr0m4
“who justified using LLMs for everything because they couldn't learn HTML fast enough, or because otherwise they couldn't keep up their 'content output'... I mean, at that point, what's the project? All you're doing is wrapping yourself in the mantle of independence while handing everything, including your own cognitive faculties, to these billionaire perverts. May as well just bite the bullet
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chr0m4
and get an account on X, the everything app, to have Grok write posts for you.”
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chr0m4
interesting extracts from Mastodon which I wholeheartedly agree with
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chr0m4
especially after reviewing the notes from the last events sessions. 40% being LLMs and AI. Which is extremely disappointing (my 2 cents, just wanted to express my thoughts out loud)
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[capjamesg]
Thanks for sharing! Heads up to anyone reading: please don’t turn this into a discussion complaining about AI. We have had people complain about the tenor of discussions turning negative when someone starts talking about AI, so I am proactively reminding everyone not to let that happen.
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[capjamesg]
I know there is relevance to yesterday’s discussion, but, especially today, there are many people engaging with an IndieWeb event for the first time. This means it’s on us to make the chat the best it can be for everyone.
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glitzeor4444
On that note, what are all the participants doing for Create Day? 🙂 (I'm fishing for inspiration, but I'll doubtless be asleep while y'all are doing things)
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[capjamesg]
Good question! We haven’t started for the day yet.
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[capjamesg]
I am working on a page that will list books on my website.
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[tantek]
Create Day tends to be a good crucible for burning away the hype, focusing on actually beneficial things
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[capjamesg]
deathcomestotime is working on a portfolio page.
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[capjamesg]
I think there will be some wiki gardening happening too!
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glitzeor4444
I hope you all have a fabulous time! Sounds like meaningful work will be happening
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[tantek]
what is Create Day?
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Loqi
Create Day is an IndieWeb event, the second day of a typical IndieWebCamp or its own virtual event, where community members gather to share what they’re creating for their site that day, get inspired, collaborate when their projects overlap, and wrapping up with a show & tell demos session https://indieweb.org/create_day
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[capjamesg]
People will be listing their projects in https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2026-06-28-iwc-nur
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chr0m4
[capjamesg]: yup, no conflict, just speaking out my thoughts and carefully watching out to check if the indie web is for me anymore or not. Have a fun and nice day, and I keep reading and checking on your work!
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[tantek]
chr0m4, as long as you desire making and using your own personal site, the indieweb is for you! regardless of what others do on their personal sites or what tools they use.
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[tantek]
some of us even have a declaration in the footer or elsewhere on our personal sites about our non-use of LLMs, e.g. in my footer: http://tantek.com/#disclaimer
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Loqi
[preview] RFC 9518 Appendix A ¶ 4
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[tantek]
one of the creators here at IndieWebCamp has expressed they are excited about working on 100% handcrafted code, zero use of AI or LLMs
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[tantek]
it's actually quite inspiring if you want to listen to the Zoom right now
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[tantek]
consider that indieweb, as an event, community, and social phenomenon, can help steer folks who may come from an AI/LLM background, back towards handcrafted code and authentic expression on the web!
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cowglow
Taking a break from the LLM assistance today. I'm not prototyping, this is real changes to my website. I can still do them myself
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[tantek]
cowglow++
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Loqi
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[capjamesg]
Indeed, I’ll be doing all my things with my bare hands 😄
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Margi
Hello
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[capjamesg]
chr0m4 You might appreciate https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2026-06-28-iwc-nur now it’s more full — plenty of indie ideas in there!
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[capjamesg]
Also I agree that while there were a few sessions about AI, the day ended with a discussion about the concerns associated with AI, the ways the web is used by people for critical services, and the long-term resilience of the web.
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[capjamesg]
Sorry if you got the impression that the event was focused on AI — there were so many inspirational ideas and discussions focused specifically on human creativity.
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[capjamesg]
If you like making things on your personal website, you — and everyone else — are always welcome on the indie web!
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[tantek]
welcome Turboblack! is that your personal site?
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[tantek]
what is zine
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Loqi
A zine is a paper self-publication, often about non-mainstream topics, sometimes described as the precursor of personal blogs and IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/zine
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Loqi
hey Turboblack, [tantek]: it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (CGI)
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[tantek]
gives Loqi a cgi-bin
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Loqi
grabs the cgi-bin
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[tantek]
thought so
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Zegnat
second
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bodyclick
hello :)
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bodyclick
its René
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bodyclick
@tantek thats the stuff
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[tantek]
welcome bodyclick++
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Loqi
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cowglow
I have a question about tablist. I've added the role="tab" to the up and down buttons for my event list.
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cowglow
should i also add the aria-selected ? and does that value need to change based on the user interaction? or is it just as initial value?
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cowglow
does the question make sense?
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[tantek]
cowglow indeed! markup questions are probably better in #indieweb-dev — let's go over there for that
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Turboblack
tantek yes, but there were other authors of the articles
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Turboblack
i have several webpages )
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cowglow
did the zoom call disconnect?
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[capjamesg]
Oh maybe…
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[capjamesg]
burgeonlab did we lose the Zoom?
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burgeonlab
I'm not sure. I'll check. I closed it because my Mac is showing zoom taking up lots of ram suddenly
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burgeonlab
oh yeah, no one is in that zoom link
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burgeonlab
only me and Paul
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burgeonlab
cc [capjamesg]
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[capjamesg]
Sorry about that. We’re about to have lunch but I’ll check about getting it back up.
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burgeonlab
no problems! no one is there at the moment.
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burgeonlab
enjoy lunch everyone!
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GWG
How's Create Day going?
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Turboblack
low power )
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Turboblack
too little inspiration
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GWG
Inspiration I have
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Turboblack
I'm working on issue 15 of the magazine.
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[capjamesg]
The Zoom should be back up now burgeonlab.
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burgeonlab
thank you capjamesg. I'll grab some dinner and join in a bit
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burgeonlab
~2 hrs till demos. Hope everyone got a bit of stuff done!
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GWG
I did maintenance, not impressive but I only do this stuff every 4 years or so. I'm adding a bunch of fixes to make my site work better. I've really gotten hammered by bots
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Loqi
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Turboblack
bots and ai are enemies
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chr0m4
capjamesg: I missed it, I was checking the session closely yesterday , but today I really dropped my interest after the first impression. I got kind of sad and this “the kids aren’t all right” feeling. but my bad, first impressions are often misleading
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[capjamesg]
That makes sense. There were a few new participants who were more technical and brought up AI for sessions, but much of the discussion this weekend has been around creativity and ideas and all things in between.
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GWG
I love some of the ideas coming from people
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chr0m4
it’s just that, if AI people could shut up in at least one internet community it would be great xDDD. I get immensely sad when I interact with code, writings, images or whatever thing that is announced by a human but not created by him/her. I cannot help it, “optimizing for LLMs” was a crazy proposition of a topic, optimizing what? for what purpose? the indie web? xD
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chr0m4
“streamline”
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chr0m4
the other ideas were lovely, and I really had fun visiting the websites of their proponents
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chr0m4
beautiful work
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[capjamesg]
Thank you!
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GWG
I mentioned AI the other day at HWC. But mostly because I was doing stupid things with it. Not because I used it for anything important.
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GWG
Namely using it because I can't draw.
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[capjamesg]
We’re about to start demos here in Nuremberg. Let’s move on from this discussion to make room for all the note-taking!
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[capjamesg]
If anyone is participating remotely, we’ll be starting in the next couple of minutes.
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chr0m4
(especially, I don’t remember who it was, but someone was mentioning old school 90s web design and some examples were nice)
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[capjamesg]
What is 90s?
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Loqi
The 1990s was a decade that saw the invention and growth of the web, dominated by independent websites, as well as nascent silos like Geocities, with a particular brightly colored and often translucent design aesthetic that would come to define the era along with under construction graphics, dancing animals, site counters, ornate backgrounds, and guest books https://indieweb.org/90s
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chr0m4
GWG: maybe, just… learn?
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[capjamesg]
There’s a big rabbit hole to go down ^^
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chr0m4
learning things are fun
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GWG
To draw? I'd be better off hiring an artist
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chr0m4
is fun*
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chr0m4
also nice
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GWG
chr0m4: This week I've learned many things
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GWG
I built a bedside smart clock
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[capjamesg]
GWG, chr0m4, let’s move on from this discussion please. We’re about to run a session here and I’d prefer to be listening to the demos than move on from the chat.
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GWG
[capjamesg]: Happy to
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chr0m4
ok, sorry!!
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[capjamesg]
Thank you!
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GWG
I'm very much looking forward to demos.
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[capjamesg]
Now, again: If anyone is participating remotely, we’ll be starting in the next couple of minutes.
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[capjamesg]
We’re starting demos in three minutes!
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GWG
I'll record it.
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[capjamesg]
Thank you!
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[capjamesg]
Welcome to everyone on the Zoom — nice to see you all!
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[capjamesg]
Demos are happening now!
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[capjamesg]
(scroll to the very bottom)
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chr0m4
i will join soon if that’s all right, I’m just arriving home
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chr0m4
can anyone share the zoom link?
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[tantek]
welcome chr0m4!
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chr0m4
[tantek]: thanks! nice stuff!!
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[tantek]
thank you! also the demos recording will be uploaded afterwards if you missed any from the start
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GWG
I need to get on uploading stuff.
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Turboblack
<chr0m4> (especially, I don’t remember who it was, but someone was mentioning old school 90s web design and some examples were nice)  maybe me
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chr0m4
Turboblack: you rock then
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chr0m4
Turboblack++
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Loqi
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Turboblack
thanx )
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Turboblack
I just have an idea that sites only need HTML 3.2 or 4.01 and they should open in older browsers
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Turboblack
if you need examples, I can show them
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chr0m4
any good feed aggregator apps recommendations? I’m on iOS if it’s a PWA even better tbh, I don’t want my data collected. if there’s a paid app that works well and doesn’t collect data I’m willing to pay.https://i.imgflip.com/4pqoj9.jpg
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chr0m4
and of course, drop your site’s rss!
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[capjamesg]
What is a feed reader?
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Loqi
A feed reader (sometimes called an RSS reader) is an application (local or on the web) subscribes to feeds (often limited to Atom or RSS) and presents posts from them in an interface for reading, typically without any way to respond, in contrast to an interactive social reader https://indieweb.org/feed_reader
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[capjamesg]
You may like this page ^^
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chr0m4
uh, some self-hosted options, I like that
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chr0m4
I will try to deploy commafeed tomorrow to my VPS. I love the UI
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Loqi
hey chr0m4: that's a lot of dev jargon! RSS, deploy, VPS... can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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chr0m4
capjamesg++ thank you’
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Loqi
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chr0m4
what is a now page?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "now page" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "now page is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chr0m4
i will document it, I likes the concept a lot
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chr0m4
pretty similar to what I have on my page (pulls the last post with hashtag #status from my Mastodon account) https://i.postimg.cc/L5fSZxSs/IMG-7481.jpg
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[capjamesg]
What is now?
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Loqi
A now page is a page on a personal website that tells you what a person is focused on at the current time, day, or very recently https://indieweb.org/now
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[capjamesg]
now page is /now
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[capjamesg]
Because Loqi just looks at the document title sometimes Loqi doesn't pick up on a page that exists.
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[capjamesg]
If you say X is /Y, Loqi will add the redirect.
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[capjamesg]
So now I can say:
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[capjamesg]
What is a now page?
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Loqi
A now page is a page on a personal website that tells you what a person is focused on at the current time, day, or very recently https://indieweb.org/now_page
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[capjamesg]
And it works ✨
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[capjamesg]
You should add your now page as an example on the wiki!
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chr0m4
ahhh I seee!
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cian_woods
Hey everyone, just finding this discord. I have started a blog last week and currently building it out and trying to post. 😊
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cian_woods
themorse.blog is the site if anyone is interested in having a look 😊
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ZodiacalComet
Welcome, cian_woods! Interesting theme you have in there, haven't seen it before
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chr0m4
how does templating work? why {{aaronpk}} (for example) directs to user profile but if I write {{chroma}} I see Template:chroma, how are templates linked?
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Loqi
friendly reminder chr0m4, ZodiacalComet1, can you move the tech talk (template, templates) to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
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ZodiacalComet1
K'
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chr0m4
ZodiacalComet1: thanks, I was going crazy
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ZodiacalComet1
Dunno what happened that it changed the nickname, I'm in the web UI
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ZodiacalComet1
You're welcome!
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cian_woods
ZodiacalComet: Thank you, it’s a slow process writing the posts at the moment but I’m committed haha
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chr0m4
The moment I added my location it prompted my to write, so... https://indieweb.org/Category:%EA%B9%80%EC%B2%9C_(Gimcheon) pity that I'm alone hahaha
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Loqi
awesome
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chr0m4
me*
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[capjamesg]
Ooh nice story about the bear!
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chr0m4
it's a very curious place ^^
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