#indieweb 2026-08-27
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Please let me interact with your blog post!" https://michaelharley.net/posts/2026/08/22/please-let-me-interact-with-your-blog-post/ (from https://artlung.com/indienews/8963ec4bab0b8194b4cdfe5fce82c1c9)
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morganwebdev morganwebdev
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# morganwebdev1 Whoops. The text was me accidentally entering my username, but I dont know about the user that just joined heh
# morganwebdev1 Sorry I got confused and used the web chat wrong, I seem to have duplicated myself. No worry. My question is in #dev :)
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: https://www.ciccarello.me/posts/2026/08/27/omnibear-wp-fix/
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# Talesmith hello
# Talesmith Hello. I have an exciting indie project for a distributed social network. No algorithm, your own node on your own domain. Privacy of data, you choose who you connect with. I am looking for passionate people to try it out.
# brennan_ did you make it by hand or use an LLM
# Talesmith its a social network, not for developers
# Talesmith there is overlap though lol
# brennan_ facts tbh
# Talesmith this is anti that. Decentralised, distributed, FOSS
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# brennan_ share the link
# Talesmith a blog is not a social network its a publisher model
# brennan_ my blog has webmentions, a guestbook, and a comment section. seems pretty networked and social to me
# Talesmith So does a website. Its got content, can have comments and a guestbook, but we call a blog a blog because it has feeds with a micro format other than html. But yes we could also say, that ftp is a social network
# brennan_ so social networks don't have microformats? i feel like diogenes is gonna step in with a featherless chicken
# brennan_ anyways you didn't post a link yet
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Reading as participation in the indie web" https://jamesg.blog/2026/08/27/reading-as-participation-in-the-indie-web
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WinnerWind [capjamesg]: nice blog post! i think that reading too is an essential part of the indieweb but im not sure if i can agree with the idea that just reading makes you part of the indieweb. i think there's layers to "being part" of it
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[capjamesg] WinnerWind that is a good articulation. I didn’t state it this way in the post, but there is something of a funnel from reading -> exploring/discussing/asking questions -> building.
# [capjamesg] (where “building” = anything someone wants to do with their site)
# WinnerWind [capjamesg]: absolutely, there's a funnel to it. can't make good writers without readers. that said, i dont think its as linear as you might thing
# [capjamesg] That’s a good point too. We definitely bounce around a bit before we commit to a new hobby/idea/project.
# WinnerWind anecdotal evidence isnt proof of fact but i personally never read a blog before starting my own ^_^```. i do read nowadays
# [capjamesg] It took me ages from thinking about playing the guitar to actually learning.
# WinnerWind ^
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# [capjamesg] If you have a website, you’re in the indie web.
# [capjamesg] There are hundreds of thousands of websites on Neocities, for example, that don’t have custom domains, or rel=me, etc. and yet are a vibrant part of the community.
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# [capjamesg] thamara_k++ 100% agreed.
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# [snarfed] [capjamesg]'s post was great! also see eg https://indieweb.org/what#What_is_the_indieweb , https://indiemap.org/docs.html#sites
# [capjamesg] These are good questions. I don’t think it’s good to measure the IndieWeb by the growth of any technology. What matters most is people seeing websites as a way to express some part of themselves.
# [capjamesg] Making a website isn’t appealing to everyone, but there are certainly many people here and in the wider community who aren’t working in tech and have websites.
# [capjamesg] Re: much impact. I don’t think the IndieWeb should be measured by how many people it is reaching. It should be measured in how much people feel that having a website is useful to them. For me, having a website has fundamentally changed the way I use the web, and I suspect many people in here would attest to how much personal significance their site has had.
# [capjamesg] From my perspective, if people are having fun making websites, and are open to helping others start websites, the IndieWeb is doing a good job.
# kepler did my connection eat my message
# kepler yes
# [capjamesg] I think so 😬 😂
# [capjamesg] If you have it feel free to resend!
# [capjamesg] Sorry if I talked over you 🤦
# kepler weird question, what is this group's perspective on things like squarespace, carrd, strawpage, rentry etc
# kepler you didnt! i sent it after your message
# WinnerWind [capjamesg]: i think nowadays its really easy to get started making your own website, especially with the sheer volume of templates and pre-built SSGs that exist
# kepler i just got in an elevator right as i sent it
# [capjamesg] ^^
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# [pcarrier] ideally you're in control of your website and can change providers. that makes squarespace less than ideal
# [capjamesg] The easier a service makes it to get your data out in a way that you can use, the better.
# kepler pretty sure all of these sites are falteringly difficult if not impossible to do
# kepler can't export carrd or strawpage designs as any form of actual document afaik lol
# WinnerWind [pcarrier]: most providers don't let you export :(
# [pcarrier] host hosting services do?
# [capjamesg] Squarespace does allow an export of all your content that you can then import into something like Ghost.
# [pcarrier] *most
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# [pcarrier]1 [capjamesg] good to know, thanks
# kepler appreciated [capjamesg]
# [capjamesg] kepler If I were speaking to someone who wanted to start a website today, I’d probably recommend Ghost for an all-in-one solution that has features useful for professional publications, Bear Blog for writers, omg.lol for someone who wants a general web presence, http://micro.blog for people who want writing and a social aspect, Neocities for someone who wants to make a single web page, and maybe a static site system for someone who wants to
# [capjamesg] do a bit more coding.
# kepler i mean, i already have... eleven websites
# kepler i was just asking a question of opinion/perspective
# WinnerWind [capjamesg]: personally nothing is as good as being able to move from X platofrm to any platform. moving from squarespace to ghost is far less flexible than moving text files around
# [capjamesg] I think quite a few of us can relate to running more than one site 😂
# WinnerWind and unfortunately, i guess, nothing is truly 100% movable
# [capjamesg] Ghost has done a lot of work on import formats which is nice to see: https://docs.ghost.org/migration/
# [capjamesg] They support Substack, Medium, Squarespace, Buttondown, WordPress, and more.
# WinnerWind [capjamesg]: thats a LOT of migraiton options ^_^
# WinnerWind does look like a lot of setup for the initial import if its not from a preset provider though
# WinnerWind but i assume ghost's target audience isnt people moving from
{{ esoteric blog site }} to it but rather people moving from a super popular option like squarespace to it# [capjamesg] Yeah. I am seeing Ghost pop up more and more and it’s nice to see since they also have their open source offering.
# [capjamesg] Which is to say you could start off on hosted and export your data into a self-hosted instance I think (or vice versa).
# WinnerWind oh that's super neat :)
# WinnerWind lets people dip their toes before committing
# WinnerWind that was especially important for me when i was on github pages, haha
# [capjamesg] I _think_ you can do that via their Universal Import.
# [capjamesg] They have a guide from self-hosted to Pro (their hosted tool) but I assume the same instructions work in reverse (https://docs.ghost.org/migration/ghost).
# WinnerWind [capjamesg]: neato!
# WinnerWind always cool to see people allow migration from paid to free
# WinnerWind ive used a whole host of tools to host/make my site: Github Pages, Nekoweb/Neocities, Quartz, Obsidian Export tools, its cool that there are so many options but sometimes iw odner if this can lead to decision paralysis for new people
# [capjamesg] Yeah. If I were recommending how to set up a website to someone, I’d ask what they want and recommend 1-2 sites instead of saying “here’s 20 options for you!”
# WinnerWind indeed ^_^
# WinnerWind i remember i had decision paralsys and my page was blank for months
# WinnerWind don't regret making a website though ;3
# [capjamesg] 🙏
# WinnerWind wturrell: my dad isnt a salesman but he always told me that before recommending things, its always good to understand their needs
# WinnerWind its better to give one great suggestion than twenty mediocre ones
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# [pcarrier] I go for "make it yourself" then don't recommend it. now I have 99 problems and hosting is one.
# [pcarrier] one lesson I've learnt is not to worry about abuse. I know right, it's the Internet. yet, out of all the stuff I've released, zero abuse. I guess not getting recommended enough 😄
# [pcarrier] knocks on wood
# [social] The frontier models claimed in early 2025 everything on the web had been scraped and all information in digital form had been ingested as well. The crawlers are just trying to pick-up what is new.
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[tantek] [social] if that's the cause perhaps I need to change my personal site search form to submit a query to an LLM asking "List me the top http://tantek.com blog posts containing the words ... " 🙃
# [pcarrier] they ingested it, doesn't mean they can regurgitate it
# [pcarrier] the web is zettabytes, the models terabytes at most
# [pcarrier] I've ingested a lot of content in my life, I can't even list 100 countries
# [social] LLMs don’t retain context.
# [pcarrier] one last point before I leave the topic where it belongs, aka not in this community: I think it's fair to describe LLM training as a _very_ lossy compression technique
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "The HTML network as a contextual boundary" https://lofihi.fi/html-network-contextual-privacy
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# aftertaf.social [tantek]: haha!
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[artlung] No judgement on Joomla! There's an entry in the wiki. https://indieweb.org/Joomla - your h-card [ https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faftertaf.mont-gargan.fr%2F ]means you'd make for a valid IndieWeb example on that page. Welcome!
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# aftertaf.social fanks !
# [pcarrier] Welcome aftertaf.social! You might want to look into maintaining a higher contrast between text and background.
# aftertaf.social yeah, doing it all between parenting and earning and dog walking. but you are right. not very easy to read
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# [pcarrier] I would also _personally_ argue you don't need cookies on your website. Not chastising, just offering feedback since you asked 🙂
# aftertaf.social 👍
# aftertaf.social you got the accept / refuse thingy?
# [pcarrier] indeed. in Austria at the moment.
# [pcarrier] it's really hard to maintain a website in 2 languages, more power to you
# aftertaf.social I reported this as a bug to the astroid framework dev team, seeing as I disabled this in the gui.
# aftertaf.social yet it pops.
# aftertaf.social bloody IT, eh?
# aftertaf.social [pcarrier]: cheers beaucoup !
# [pcarrier] aftertaf: btw if you're ever around Grenoble, hit me up, fellow Frenchman :)
# aftertaf.social j'en tiens compte !
# aftertaf.social [tantek]: and I learned TIL 🤜🤛
# aftertaf.social [tantek]: not my invention.
# aftertaf.social honour to Elena..
# aftertaf.social https://blog.elenarossini.com/
# IWDiscord <aftertaf.social>
# aftertaf.social on her gotosocial iirc
# [capjamesg] Wow it’s in the Cambridge Dictionary.
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# [capjamesg] 😄
# [capjamesg] But [tantek]++ for developing the song 😄
# [capjamesg] [tantek]++
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# [snarfed] and the enterprisey version https://adr.github.io/
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# [Trevor_Morris] https://slashpages.net has a good summary of these types of pages.
# Loqi page is short for a web page on the IndieWeb, and is usually primarily known by its name (AKA named page), served at the top level of a site (AKA slash page), and kept updated in place in contrast to posts which are primarily datetime-based; a page that is browser-editable with viewable revisions is a wiki-page https://indieweb.org/slash_pages
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# [mikemai2awesom] i love making slash pages
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# [Trevor_Morris] Ah, didn't realise I was meant to use Loqi for things, I have no idea what's in there or by what command it would summon what I needed!
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[aciccarello] what is loqi?
# Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot, digital assistant present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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# [aciccarello] Good question. I don't actually know
# [aciccarello] Loqi, Care to explain or no?
# [aciccarello] Loqi is a bit picky on words. I'm pretty sure it's essentially a bunch of regexes
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# morganwebdev I posted a more dev style question in #dev but I wanted to ask as a general feature how have people incorporated audio into their websites. Whether its music, or interactive features. Equally valid to say "I dont want any audio" or something else
# morganwebdev ... Ive found it kind of tricky to get started, and making smooth experiences that people actually like seems like its not trivial!
# aftertaf.social [tantek]: [tantek]++
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gRegor it appears so: https://loqi.me/
# gRegor Likely from the company name, Geoloqi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Case#Biography
# aftertaf.social [Trevor_Morris]: [Trevor_Morris]++ #Til.
# aftertaf.social favourited !🤓
# aftertaf.social [edit] [Trevor_Morris]: [Trevor_Morris]++
# IWDiscord <aftertaf.social>
# aftertaf.social favourited !🤓
# aftertaf.social #Til.
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