#indieweb 2026-09-02

2026-09-02 UTC
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[tantek] gRegor++ nice work!
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Loqi gRegor has 12 karma in this channel over the last year (125 in all channels)
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yanglake__ hello! first time chatting here
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[aciccarello] Hello!
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valerieflynn yanglake__[d] , you have a neat website! The waffle trick is cool!
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yanglake__ valerieflynn[d]: thank you!
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yanglake__ i actually wanna redesign it and move it to neocities
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yanglake__ i dont like vercel anymore and i built it 4 years ago
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yanglake__ almost 4
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valerieflynn Ah, okay. I don't know what vercel is. Is that your website design software or your hosting?
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Loqi friendly reminder yanglake__, valerieflynn, would you mind moving this more technical conversation (Vercel) to #indieweb-dev? thanks!
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valerieflynn Sorry Loqi, will do.
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yanglake__ ah will do
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boredgargoyle yanglake__[d]: Hello from an alumNUS 🙂
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[capjamesg] Welcome yanglake__!
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milanjosipovic Hello everyone. I hope you are doing well. : )
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[capjamesg] Hello!
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tameshitake I'm not really sure where I should ask this but i'll ask here anyways, I keep seeing the indieweb stuff content creators explain about and somehow they always go into making websites,
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tameshitake But I am curious about finding friends through the indie web instead of making website, it seems like people have not talked about this or is Indie Web isn't about finding friends? especially a truer friend that just doesn't say "damn" and "lol" and give generic advices every time you vent about something?
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IWDiscord <t​ameshitake>
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tameshitake Haiihaii everywan
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IWDiscord <t​ameshitake>
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[capjamesg] You’re thinking along the same lines as me!
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[capjamesg] I recently wrote https://jamesg.blog/2026/08/27/reading-as-participation-in-the-indie-web where I was thinking about reading as a form of participation in the community.
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[capjamesg] A lot of us make websites because that’s what brings us together. Many people (myself included) have found friends in the community, but generally those friendships have come from reading each other’s writing / talking / sharing ideas, etc.
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tameshitake Oh I was reading your blog!
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tameshitake If making websites and reading each other's blogs is the big thing brings "us" together... then I must be doing something wrong if I haven't found a way to make friends through the indie web? or is THIS the way?
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tameshitake I... don't really understand how reading blogs could bring a community, am I supposed to... contact the website creator or find a guestbook somewhere after reading the blogs?
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IWDiscord <t​ameshitake>
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IWDiscord <t​ameshitake>
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tameshitake Or is it... a more abstract concept of community that somehow makes some sort of union within the community?
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thamara_k reaching out to someone if you enjoyed reading their blog/browsing their site is a lovely thing to do and I'm sure they would appreciate it
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thamara_k which of course could be the basis of friendship
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tameshitake now that i think about it, it should be that obvious and easy but I guess i've rolled a critical failure in my thinking
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tameshitake but... is it always THAT obvious? It can't be right?
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nanijame nannishitakashi
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tameshitake what
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[capjamesg] tameshitake I think you get out of it what you put in. I have made friends by reaching out to site authors and chatting with them, and by contributing to community spaces like this one. There are many other community spaces out there too: the 32-Bit Cafe, Bear Blog, Neocities.
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[capjamesg] I don’t think reading in isolation is enough to build community, but chatting with people after you have read something certainly is!
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[capjamesg] Admittedly though finding friends generally can be hard, even in friendly spaces 😭
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tdrayson It’s no way to force friendship making. As [capjamesg] said, making friends can be hard.
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tdrayson From what you said earlier about wanting someone to care when you have a conversation or you vent.
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tdrayson I personally class that as a closer friendship, which can sometimes take time to build those relationships.
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IWDiscord <t​drayson>
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tdrayson Talking to someone with a similar interests, then it will be more natural, but you can’t really force these things
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tameshitake so i have to be open minded to new interest which is already quite hard for me
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tameshitake oh man, i just hope I wont hurt myself too much
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tdrayson No, it doesn’t have to be new interests can be your existing ones. What do you like doing for fun?
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tameshitake TTRPGs
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tdrayson Not sure what that is
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tameshitake Table Top RPGs
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tameshitake but I don't exactly play it on Table Top
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tameshitake but it IS categorized as a Table Top RPG
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tdrayson Do you play online with people?
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tameshitake yes, but they could barely be present
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tameshitake i've tried skimming painfully through tasteless and unoriginal disboard servers
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[Murray] I'd say that community building via websites is a little trickier these days, but it also feels harder because we're used to the immediacy of social networks and chat clients like this.
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tameshitake yup, and not exactly everyone wants to move on to the indie web
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tameshitake some likes the slop, that's alright
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[Murray] Back in the early web days/start of the "blogosphere" stuff, it felt a little easier, because it was more normalised, but a lot of those strategies do still work: use comment sections, post replies to people, boost their work, create communal links like blog rolls, link pages etc.
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tdrayson Maybe see if anyone’s written about ttrpg on the indieweb
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[Murray] Also, as others have said, plenty of people do still advertise emails, and if you enjoy what someone has written, sending an email can be a very nice thing
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[Murray] And then there are offline events, like IndieWebCamps, or online community events like Homebrew Website Club, specific to this community
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[Murray] I don't know of any specific TTRPG blogs or sites, but I have to believe there are plenty out there, its the kind of hobby that feels well suited to blogging and info sharing 🙂
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[Murray] Of course, TTRPGs also typically have offline gatherings at games stores and other community spaces, so you might find local groups that way
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tameshitake someone surely might've written about TTRPGs on the indie web, i mean it's THAT popular, If I can't find one then I'll write one.
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tameshitake oh right, emails too, I just use them for verifications these days but I suppose I give them more purpose, If I have the whole email, I'll use the whole email, just like the speedometer on my auntie's mobility vehicle
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IWDiscord <t​ameshitake>
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[capjamesg] I wish it were easier to find interest-based blogging communities.
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[capjamesg] I want to meet more poets online but I don’t really know how to find a space.
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tameshitake web rings maybe?
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IWDiscord <t​ameshitake>
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tameshitake i mean there are forums like knockout.chat which might not be indie web but... eh
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[Murray] Yeah, I was going to say, this is what web rings are _made for_, but I just don't feel like they ever work as well as they should. I keep wanting to explore some web components that could "modernise" webrings a bit more, provide stuff like suggested articles from within a webrings data set, or ways to make the hub site more about community and discovery
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[Murray] Just don't have the time 😅
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IWDiscord <t​ameshitake>
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tameshitake are uhhh
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tameshitake web buttons are some sort of web rings?
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[Murray] Like, they're often buried in footers, and can be a fun way to explore the web, but rarely feel that integrated. And then the community side of them can exist, but it feels more like the community comes first where it works, and for those without that foundation, it never evolves
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[Murray] Buttons are similar, I guess I'd see them as a form of blogroll too
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IWDiscord <t​ameshitake>
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tameshitake it feels like it's either awful navigation or corporate slopistan algorithm
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tameshitake no, there has to be something in between
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[Murray] Yeah, that's where I feel like webring hub pages can be a useful middle ground. There are a few that do it quite well, but none that then take those additional tools and let you incorporate them onto your own site. That level of integration is still reserved for more centralised communities, like Blogger/Wordpress.com/Neocities, yet it feels doable on any site
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[Murray] But on the flipside, if you're asking about how to get to know folks online, one of the best ways I've found is starting the thing that you want to find, if it doesn't already exist. I made some really solid friends as a teen/young adult via forums that I either created or co-moderated
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tameshitake i've found some webring hub pages, i've lost them though, and some of the links doesn't work
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tameshitake Webring hub pages, that's a first idea
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IWDiscord <t​ameshitake>
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tameshitake well neocities is kind of a webring isn't it?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club - Asia Pacific is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/qxN5nicd2faz
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tameshitake well that's weirdly convenient
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tameshitake wait what is this? can anyone join it?
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[capjamesg] Yes 🙂
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[capjamesg] The meetup is 90 mins to chat about all things personal websites!
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fafau06 oh that's neat, tho i think im a bit late by an hour now.. also really sleepy too hh
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fafau06 is there a way to be notified for future calls? i'm interested
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[capjamesg] All future events are listed on https://events.indieweb.org
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fafau06 thanks!
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fafau06 oo... it's quite a while for another asiapacific huh..
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[capjamesg] They happen every two weeks.
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[capjamesg] *Every two Wednesdays.
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tameshitake gotta participate in more of these to compesnate for my lack of social life
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[capjamesg] You’re most welcome!
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tameshitake hehe~
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "One audio stream, many RSS articles: keeping narration going behind a locked screen" https://pressplayed.com/one-stream-locked-screen-rss.html?utm_source=indienews&utm_medium=editorial_contribution&utm_campaign=first100
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[capjamesg] tameshitake I hope you enjoyed the HWC!
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tameshitake Oh I did enjoy it, REALLY enjoyed it, I never felt as nervous and excited even if I didn't talk much, i really wish I had something to talk about but It's still enjoyable! :)
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[capjamesg] I think I was quiet in my first few sessions too. It gets easier after listening to a few conversations and seeing what interests you the most!
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tameshitake noted!
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yanglake__ boredgargoyle[d]: omg hi
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kepler [capjamesg] i know that melonland is a forum with an active userbase and its indie web-centric. i run a forum for netizen.town but its not as active as irc :/
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[social] [capjamesg] might something from this small list work for poetry https://ooh.directory/blogs/arts/books/poetry/ ?
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wturrell happy for people to just listen/lurk during the HWC thing?
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kepler [capjamesg], also, re: poetry, if you havent come across it before there is a LiterRing [literature webring] you may enjoy trawling and looking for people to reach out to -> https://literring.neocities.org/
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[social] There is also https://www.writeoutloud.net/blogs/
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thamara_k wturrell yes you can just hang out! No pressure
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[capjamesg] [social] Thank you for sharing!
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[capjamesg] kepler That is such a cool webring!
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burgeonlab <tameshitake> it was lovely having you today at HWC Asia Pacific! I'll be making the next event tomorrow so you can mark down the time and date (it's the same time, also Wednesday 2 weeks from the meeting earlier today)
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kepler i think the funniest thing ive ever done with my website is make a secret page with a grocery list
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kepler all the formatting got nuked in my rework, but -> https://zomboid.pro/grocery.html
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[capjamesg] Ooh I love this!
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wturrell Might do that now, with emojis for each item. Need a secret name though, maybe change the O in groceries to an 0 or something. Nobody will ever guess that.
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gRegor I don't think that's really indieweb relevant ^
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gRegor Oops, missed scrollback.
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gRegor That wasn't meant for you.
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gRegor I meant the indienews post about the Android rss app
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[aciccarello] Was that about pressplayed?
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gRegor yeah
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[aciccarello] Yeah, I also thought it was not exactly relevant but it _is_ about a feed reader which is adjacent.
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gRegor true
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[tantek] 👀
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[tantek] I was in/out for a bit, did we already take a photo?
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[capjamesg] Coming soon!
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[mikemai2awesom] this is a great write-up. there's too much hype around APCA (Accessible Perceptual Contrast Algorithm) right now. please note that is not part of the WCAG and will not be in v3.0 as it currently stands. don't use APCA as your justification in production work. https://www.jessicaoddi.com/saved/contrast-enhanced
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[mikemai2awesom] i love this bit specially:
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[mikemai2awesom] > *We need to go beyond WCAG minimum.* Heck, go beyond APCA minimum. Especially for text, buttons, links, and interactive elements. Explore UX-friendly, colour-blind checked, _and_ compliant colours.
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[tantek] bbiab
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042AABYV3 hey there
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[tantek] mikemai2awesome that looks like a better topic for #indieweb-dev
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eliasebner sorry about that, i changed my nick
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[mikemai2awesom] oh gotcha
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[capjamesg] directory << [https://makerswhoblog.com/ Makers Who Blog]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://makerswhoblog.com/ Makers Who Blog]" to the "See Also" section of /directory https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=113316&oldid=111389
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wturrell I made the grocery thing… https://wturrell.co.uk/groceryideas/ (keep actual list in OmniFocus, so it's more suggestions, really)
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Loqi [preview] William Turrell
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morganwebdev In this months little blog post on my site I basically talked about continued efforts to clean up my digital sphere. Revived some old hardware, got off Google photos. Very much end of summer somehow for me. Journey to conquer the online chaos continues
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Loqi morganwebdev has 2 karma over the last year
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[tantek] morganwebdev++ wow sounds like a lot and congrats for quitting Google photos. Feel free to add it to a /silo-quits entry for 2026!
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