#dev 2016-09-21

2016-09-21 UTC
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cweiske .
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voxpelli ;
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tantek …
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cweiske I just wanted to see if Loqi has something for me
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cweiske .. I'd have to do this in every channel since Loqi only shows tells in the current one
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cweiske I want to extend my instagram2micropub script to also submit location info; geo coordinates and the name of the place
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cweiske coordinates is no problem since I can add the location property to geo:23,42
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cweiske question is what property I should use to transmit the location's name?
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cweiske adr?
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cweiske "If your address has an explicit name, it's likely a venue, and you should use h-card instead." http://microformats.org/wiki/h-adr
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Loqi h-adr
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aaronpk I'd say h-card is appropriate since instagram locations are most often names of venues rather than just a city name
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voxpelli how would one embed an h-card in an h-entry with micropub?
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cweiske I could use the "card" property, and hope that it implies the p-name
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aaronpk this is where the JSON format of micropub is easier
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aaronpk just submit the mf2 JSON with the h-card
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cweiske voxpelli, I'd like to not do that, and hope that submitting "card=opera" would imply that it's the p-name of the h-card
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aaronpk check the example here https://micropub.net/draft/#nested-microformats-objects
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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voxpelli aaronpk: I guess the one tricky thing is to produce something like <data class="p-longitude" value="-27.116667">27° 7′ 0″ S</data>, from that
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voxpelli the "27° 7′ 0″ S" would be similar to an img alt text
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aaronpk why do you want "27° 7′ 0″ S"?
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cweiske nobody wants coordinates
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cweiske s/nobody wants/I don't want/
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voxpelli aaronpk: I just took that from the h-geo page as an example showing that the presentation string is lost in the parsing
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aaronpk most places other than old school map systems stopped using degrees/minutes/secons and just use decimal notation now
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cweiske but °/min/sec are easier to compare
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aaronpk anything consuming latitude and longitude will know it's coordinates and can display it with deg/min/sec if they want
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voxpelli aaronpk: that wasn't my point – my point is that if <data class="p-foo" value="bar">xyz</data> is impossible to create through mf2 json
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cweiske nice to have you in a sensible timezone, aaronpk
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voxpelli mf2 json would always create something like <div class="p-foo">bar</div>
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aaronpk voxpelli: that "xyz" is lost in the mf2 parsing so yes
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voxpelli so if "bar" is a user hostile representation of the data, then it's probably currently impossible to give a user friendly alternative like "xyz" to present instead
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aaronpk voxpelli: it's a microformats2 issue first
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voxpelli aaronpk: yeah, but just like img alt text it's surfaced by Micropub
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aaronpk the example you gave actually does include the "xyz" in the "name" property because of implied name rules http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20160921080336839
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voxpelli that assumes that the fragment isn't included in a larger mf2 context that has a "name" property
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voxpelli or that would otherwise alter the implied name
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aaronpk this feels like a theoretical problem
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voxpelli well, one could probably easily look through mf2 standards and see if there's a case where a the value-pattern is used that wouldn't make sense if the value would also be the thing presented to the user
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voxpelli but I'm not going to push it, I just wanted to point it out
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KevinMarks The other way is to send mf2 in the html content
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cweiske does anyone know a MP client that sends content[value]?
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@mad_p https://indieauth.com/ ソーシャルログインのおまとめサービス。ドメイン名をIDとしてログイン。使いたいソーシャルログイン(例github)を自分のドメインからリンクしておくと、クリックしてgithubログインへ飛んでくれる(というOP) (twitter.com/_/status/778527162991316993)
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@aaronpk Gave an unprepared live demo of https://indieauth.com/ at @w3c #tpac2016 and nothing broke ? https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/778532518236610560/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/778532518236610560)
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@t #TPAC2016 #social @aaronpk demos Webmention spec itself showing webmentions to it! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (ttk.me t4jRA) (twitter.com/_/status/778546755973419008)
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@t #TPAC2016 #social @aaronpk demos Webmention spec itself showing webmentions to it! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (ttk.me t4jRA) (twitter.com/_/status/778546755973419008)
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@AMKBochnak “Money can't buy happiness, but it can make you awfully comfortable while you're being miserable.” ― Clare Boothe Luce #quote #indieauth... (twitter.com/_/status/778549351681581056)
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@AMKBochnak “Money can't buy happiness, but it can make you awfully comfortable while you're being miserable.” ― Clare Boothe Luce #quote #indieauth... (twitter.com/_/status/778549351681581056)
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inhji.de edited /User:Inhji.de (+181) (view diff)
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inhji.de edited /User:Inhji.de (+28) "/* Planned Features */" (view diff)
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Zegnat KevinMarks: did you get verify-me working on rhiaro's site? I just pulled the latest source and am getting red crosses in Firefox
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KevinMarks You need to start from her https site
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KevinMarks Because that's what the others link to
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Zegnat Aah
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Zegnat retests at https
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KevinMarks And it serves on both, no redirect
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Zegnat Yeah, I see that now. Give it a sec, indiewebify.me needs some time
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Zegnat Right. Seeing green checks now. Beautiful. Will package for Fx :)
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KevinMarks Did the case fixes make it to the server side?
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Zegnat Not sure
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Zegnat KevinMarks: do you mind if I run JSLint on the code to normalise code-style? Wont do it if you will not merge.
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KevinMarks Oh, please do. I was being a bit sloppy when removing the jQuery
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KevinMarks !tell aaronpk, gregorlove did you work out how to update indiewebify.me so it wasn't case sensitive on urls?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Any preference for code style?
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Zegnat I’ll just go with default JSLint and only fix whitespace/indentation/brackets related stuff. That should be fine :)
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Zegnat Oh lovely, I can’t sign it with version number 0.2.2 because that is a number I used for testing a broken build.
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Zegnat KevinMarks: PR-sent
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KevinMarks Merged
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Zegnat KevinMarks: interesting, you merged this in a different way than the previous PR? https://github.com/indieweb/verify-me/commits/master
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KevinMarks I picked squash, which should have got rid of the extra commits
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Zegnat Does GitHub offer that now? Prtty nice if so!
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KevinMarks Yes, that's an option when merging a pr
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KevinMarks Which saves you doing it by hand on your side
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Zegnat Everytime GitHub solves something for me with a single click in their web UI: I rejoice. Though sometimes it doesn’t result in what I expected. Like the automatic extra commit when getting equal with the origin master.
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singpolyma Zegnat: you mean if you do a git pull without --rebase? Yeah, given the "blessed repo" model most Githubbers use, they really should advise --rebase as a default
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www.funwhilelost.com edited /events/2016-09-21-homebrew-website-club (+60) "/* Bellingham WA */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "next is today. oops." (view diff)
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gRegorLove Hey, sweet. A remote attendee for Bellingham HWC (from Seattle)
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Loqi gRegorLove: KevinMarks left you a message 3 hours, 1 minute ago: did you work out how to update indiewebify.me so it wasn't case sensitive on urls?
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gRegorLove KevinMarks: Yeah, just haven't had time to do it. I should be able to tonight at HWC.
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KevinMarks Great, I want to write up distributed verification as a post, but I didn't want the known glitches to trip people up who try it.
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aaronpk cweiske: we're going to be talking about the remaining micropub issues tomorrow at the meeting. do you have any more thoughts or new information regarding https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/issues/54?
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Loqi aaronpk: KevinMarks left you a message 4 hours, 51 minutes ago: did you work out how to update indiewebify.me so it wasn't case sensitive on urls?
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@jonnybarnes Finally got #webmention support working again! (https://t.co/f5M4BGU5nE) (twitter.com/_/status/778698820058087425)
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Zegnat Ugh, Twitter verification for my verify-me-locally stopped working again. I thought I had it working in at least 1 browser using the empty User-Agent trick
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KevinMarks I was asking about fetch in #whatwg yesterday or the day before
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KevinMarks To work out the redirects issue
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Zegnat Maybe I should lurk in that channl
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KevinMarks The concern is that you may be able to intercept credentials, but by default there aren't any
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KevinMarks I recommend it, it is a good place to hear about html5 stuff
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KevinMarks So we should write up the use case for fetching something without user credentials, and getting the full list of redirects
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Zegnat Wait … I thought manual mode already allowed me to step through the redirect chain? Why would anything you asked about be any different?
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Zegnat will reread the spec on the plane, probably
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Zegnat KevinMarks, here is my code if you want to take a look: https://github.com/Zegnat/verify-me-locally . Tested to run in Opera, Chrome, and Firefox. Just not packaged for any yet.
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Zegnat I am off for bed, extra early riser tomorrow to pack my stuff.
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cweiske aaronpk, no, no new info
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