#dev 2016-10-13

2016-10-13 UTC
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snarfed aaronpk just fyi, got a quill 500 just now against an alpha quality micropub endpoint (mine :P). not sure if it's quill's bug or mine.
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Loqi snarfed: mblaney left you a message on 2016-09-04 at 2:52am UTC: strange, just reading logs from yesterday and I received webmentions from you on the 21st of August?
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Loqi snarfed: cweiske left you a message on 2016-09-14 at 10:27am UTC: maybe you can add the micropub implementation status for silo.pub at https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Servers#Implementation_status?
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message 2 weeks ago: Bridgy just sent some backfeed from Googleplus. Mostly "reshares" but without "u-repost-of" so all of them got caught as "mentions"
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message 2 weeks ago: it also sent me backfeed of my syndicated posts to G+ as mentions
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snarfed lol
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snarfed aaronpk: array_key_exists() expects parameter 2 to be array, string given. /web/sites/quill.p3k.io/lib/helpers.php(214): array_key_exists('syndicate-to', 'missing access ...')
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aaronpk ooh quill should handle that better for sure
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aaronpk can you make an issue with what you sent to the endpoint and what the endpoint returned?
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GWG Messages?
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@m_ott @webrocker Alles klar, wir können Dir ja n paar Webmentions rüberschicken ;) (twitter.com/_/status/786459815849623552)
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pfefferle hej hej
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pfefferle !tell voxpelli have you seen https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/pull/12
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle !tell voxpelli it would help me testing webmention implementations in a docker env...
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme webmention.rocks?
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GWG Anything going on?
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voxpelli pfefferle: I've added a reminder to merge and release it this afternoon
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Loqi voxpelli: pfefferle left you a message 43 minutes ago: have you seen https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/pull/12
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Loqi voxpelli: pfefferle left you a message 43 minutes ago: it would help me testing webmention implementations in a docker env...
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pfefferle voxpelli cool, thanks :)
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aaronpk What? webmention.rocks mostly is tests for clients, and it also has a couple for endpoints
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cweiske then I am blind
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aaronpk Did you mean micropub.rocks? Cause I haven't gotten to the client tests for that yet
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cweiske ah. micropub.rocks, yes
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cweiske sorry
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@ronallo I think the emerging infrastructure will include an annotation server and Webmention. Distributed OCR correction. https://twitter.com/cneudecker/status/786551255107706881 (twitter.com/_/status/786568014229491712)
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@cneudecker @ronallo Definitely distributed, but keeping it as simple as possible. Webmention is a really interesting addition, though! (twitter.com/_/status/786569109030830080)
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@nodenpm webmention-testpinger (0.6.0): https://npmjs.com/package/webmention-testpinger A tool to ping your site with a variety of webmention mark... (twitter.com/_/status/786620183418904576)
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voxpelli pfefferle: as you can see there's two updates out now :)
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GWG I think my hook to handle Trackbacks in WordPress might get into the next version. Of course, I want it to turn them off before they go anywhere, but...
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aaronpk i finally read through a hacklang tutorial thanks to this article by slack about why they use php
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aaronpk https://slack.engineering/taking-php-seriously-cf7a60065329
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tantek summarizes without reading: Because Cal.
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk i think this quote summarized it well: "The success of projects using it has more to do with properties of the PHP environment, and the high-cadence workflow it enables, than with PHP the language."
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tantek "high-cadence workflow" <-- THIS
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tantek it is the direct opposite of "ceremony"
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aaronpk the first time someone showed me their development workflow in ruby, where they had to stop and restart the server between every change they made, i was like wait what why would you ever want to do this
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tantek because cargo cult
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aaronpk things got a little better when people started making things that would auto-restart the server when it detected the files changed, but there's still a 2-3 second delay while you wait for it to restart
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aaronpk "Even if “restart the server” only takes a few seconds of wall-clock time, that takes a big cut of the 15–30 seconds our finite human brains have to hold the most delicate state in place."
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tantek yes. that too. I get annoyed at anything >200ms
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tantek which is probably why IRC still appeals so strongly
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bear that was a great article
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bear having the auto-restart/reload on change features with python flask coding is so very useful
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KartikPrabhu bear: any link documenting the auto-reload in Flask?
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KartikPrabhu timezone test
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: seems the logs use different timezones for live updates that the older logs
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bear KartikPrabhu - http://flask.pocoo.org/docs/0.11/server/
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KartikPrabhu thanks
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KartikPrabhu oh ok python+django also does that on dev servers, but not in production
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bear yea, in production flask (and django) depend on uwsgi or g-events or the like)
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: yeah there's an issue for that already
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KartikPrabhu gotcha
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aaronpk once i finish this micropub.rocks thing i'll get back to that stuff :)