#dev 2016-10-25

2016-10-25 UTC
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gregorlove.com edited /Nominatim (+1) ")" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Nominatim (+24) "IndieWeb Examples heading, heading size, "for example" in dfn" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /WordPress/Data (+222) "/* Microformats data */" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com created /accessibility (+2859) "stub of a page to support our people-centric and UX/UI first principles" (view diff)
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GWG I have a microformats storage problem. I currently store just a URL in properties like in-reply-to and metadata on the URL in a key called cite. snarfed made me think about moving from a string to an array for things like in-reply-to, but what do I do with the metadata?
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tantek what sorts of metadata are you storing?
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KartikPrabhu might be of general dev interests: http://www.webbloatscore.com/
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aaronpk hahaha
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aaronpk "a surprising number of pages would be faster if Tim had created a pixel transfer protocol."
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Loqi nice
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KartikPrabhu yeah it is pretty tongue-in-cheek, but also a decent measure of bloat
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KartikPrabhu wow! tantek's homepage is an amazing 0.249!
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KartikPrabhu tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 1 karma in this channel (308 overall)
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tantek wait is that good?
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tantek what's the range / scale / comparison to others?
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KartikPrabhu yeah it means your screenshot is bigger than your HTML :P
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tantek lol!
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KartikPrabhu WebBS = HTML size / screenshot size ;)
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KartikPrabhu webfonts seem to be the major hurdle to staying below WebBS = 1
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tantek The NOSCRIPT add-on blocks webfonts by default
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tantek so much nicer to get pages faster than some designer's sense of an important detail. so few pages actually benefit in any appreciable way from the marginal improvement
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KartikPrabhu sure. WebBS does count them though
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KartikPrabhu lol! GooglePlus comes in at a whopping 16.2 ! This is without login
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ben_thatmustbeme 1.23 for me
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tantek sounds like they need a leaderboard of best/worst
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KartikPrabhu TBL's page would be best I suppose 0.204 or something
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ben_thatmustbeme BTW, anyone with any more bug reports or fixes for https://inklings.io/inkstone/
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bear 1.06 for my home page and 2.15 for my web log
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ben.thatmustbe.me created /inkstone (+824) "creating inkstone page" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /inkstone (+51) "fix dfn, include link" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme what is inkstone
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/inkstone
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /inkstone (+2) (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme what is inkstone?
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Loqi Inkstone (formerly MobilePub) is a web app for posting various items to your website using micropub https://indieweb.org/inkstone
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /inkstone (+18) "make URL readable" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /mobilepub (-1) "Redirected page to [[inkstone]]" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /MobilePub () "(-1080) redirect" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /User:Ben.thatmustbe.me (-283) "rename mobilepub" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: the <title> of Inkstone still says "MobilePub"
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks KartikPrabhu
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /inkstone (+1) "minor cleanup" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me moved /inkstone to /InkStone "consistent naming"
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /mobilepub (+0) "consistent naming" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /MobilePub (+0) "consistent naming" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /User:Ben.thatmustbe.me (+0) "consistent naming" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: I meant at the URL https://inklings.io/inkstone/#/login the <title> element still says "MobilePub"
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ben_thatmustbeme i just updated that
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, its still doing that though
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ben_thatmustbeme okay
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ben_thatmustbeme KartikPrabhu: i corrected it in all the spots in the code now
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ben_thatmustbeme should be good, seems caching is still keeping it on some of them for me
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ben_thatmustbeme i think i may remove mp-type from the list of default options
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ben_thatmustbeme since it is a bit controversial
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GWG tantek: Title of Article, Publication Date, Summary, Author HCard...
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tantek GWG those sound like a parsed microformat cache of the URL
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tantek and I would advise separating (or at least distinguishing) cache from storage
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GWG tantek: So, not store it in the post object itself?
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GWG I'm not sure I intend to retrieve it again. It is more of a point in time.
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GWG Distinguish how?
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tantek that's up to you. point being it's information *from* somewhere else, not something you wrote or created.
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tantek being a cache, it's not strictly necessary for export/import, reconstruction of your posts etc.
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: <title> shows up correctly for me now
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tantek caching it is an optimization of sorts, not having to continuously re-retrieve that information from the web every time you want to display it on your site
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tantek you can also treat that cache as a snapshot (archive) of that parsed microformat information from that URL as of the time you retrieve it which is likely close to when you posted your response about / in-reply-to it
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tantek then you can later decide how important (or not) is it for you to keep that original snapshot vs. allowing it to disappear / be reretrieved / or updated later
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GWG That is going to be difficult to change though. But I'll think about how I might move it out of post meta and where it might go. Or I may just keep storing it in Post Meta and figure out a different key for it.
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tantek sure, you can keep it together as you currently do
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tantek my point was to *not* try to cluster / collapse it further together
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tantek and if you're changing anything like that, tend towards separation, since the source of the information is separate
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tantek (and potentially a vulnerability, something you want to filter etc., e.g. if that parsed "title" ends up being a megabyte or something)
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gRegorLove Nice logo, ben_thatmustbeme
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tantek BTW that "potentially" is one of the problems I've been thinking about needing/wanting to solve as part of supporting any degree of parsing other people's stuff (including supporting receiving / displaying webmentions)
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GWG tantek: WordPress has a feature regarding that. They have a function that limits the return to a safe amount.
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