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TheGillies aaronpk: What sort of system do you use for generating codes and tokens? Right now I accept any code and return a static token heh
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aaronpk lol!
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aaronpk good for first draft
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aaronpk my auth codes are JWTs so that I can generate as many as i want without storing them
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TheGillies ooh theres a v. nice elixir JWT library I'll use that then
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aaronpk oh yeah i use JWTs for tokens too
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aaronpk i don't currently map tokens to any sort of internal user account, they are only associated with the individual post
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TheGillies Doesn't JWT have auth built in? I'm not super familiar with internals
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TheGillies why the two-step?
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aaronpk technically i guess i'm using JWS
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aaronpk cause i'm not setting "uid" or anything that's part of the JWT spec
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TheGillies googles JWS
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aaronpk it's just the signature part of JWT
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aaronpk why two-step: https://indieweb.org/private-webmention#why_is_there_an_extra_step_of_exchanging_an_auth_code_for_an_access_token
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TheGillies Yeah I read that before
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TheGillies not really grokking what that means though
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TheGillies Like it seems to mean if they take the time to jump through hoops their security is pretty good
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TheGillies But that's probably not what it's saying
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aaronpk yeah but if they *don't*, then you're just spewing access tokens to whoever
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aaronpk think about it from the sending perspective. you wrote a private post, protected by an access token. if you send that access token to someone without them expecting it, you have no idea where it's going to end up.
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TheGillies ooooh i think I get it
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TheGillies they don't know it's private
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TheGillies if they send you something back, then you know that they know it's private
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aaronpk they might not even support webmention!
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TheGillies How do you even have a code you're sending then?
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aaronpk as the sender, you generate the code however you want
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TheGillies Is this is a world where multiple sites can use the same token?
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TheGillies in a world*
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aaronpk it's totally up to you as the sender
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TheGillies ok
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aaronpk which is why you can right now hard-code 123 as your access token and my site still figures it out
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TheGillies I think I understand better now, thanks
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tantek we have specifically stopped using it for post-level stuff
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aaronpk (that was re: rel values)
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk most of the code in this Hub is error checking
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TheGillies aaronpk: hub?
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aaronpk i've been working on https://pubsub.rocks today
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aaronpk now i'm using it to test itself
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TheGillies What's the difference between pubsubhubub and pubsub?
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aaronpk pubsub is pubsubhubbub adopted by the w3c
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TheGillies ah
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aaronpk feel free to chime in on a new name tho https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/push-name
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TheGillies https://tyler.cat/2016/aaronpk-websub
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Loqi [Tyler] @aaronpk WebSub
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aaronpk oh ya
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TheGillies I think pub sub is kinda redundant
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TheGillies if you're subbing someone is obviously pubbing
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KartikPrabhu i like BuB as a name ;)
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TheGillies I like that the "con" of WebPub is "Emphasises the "Pub" side, while it's the "Sub" side that's the more important part of the system"
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TheGillies WebSub++
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Loqi websub has 1 karma
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TheGillies Someone quoted me and then changed what I said
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TheGillies Oh well
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TheGillies I give permission for creative freedom
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aaronpk i did?
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TheGillies Original: I think pub sub is kinda redundant
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TheGillies if you're subbing someone is obviously pubbing
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TheGillies Quote: "PubSub is kinda redundant, if you're subbing then someone is obviously pubbing" - TheGillies
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aaronpk same meaning right?
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TheGillies It's close enough but it's not a quote
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aaronpk fixed
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TheGillies is just pedantic
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aaronpk dinner time back later
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TheGillies Meh I didn't expect you to change it, heh I just get edgy when I see something in quote marks that's not a direct quote
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TheGillies PTSD from journalism days
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@AMKBochnak “What is that you express in your eyes? It seems to me more than all the print I have read in my life.” ― Walt Whitman #quote #indieauth... (twitter.com/_/status/795083299848916992)
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TheGillies Anyone know a clever way to store flat files in heroku
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TheGillies That isn't in s3 et al?
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TheGillies and not part of git repo
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KevinMarks Heroku will serve static files with node easily - that's how my site works
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TheGillies KevinMarks: Are the files stored in git?
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cweiske aaronpk, it seems as if it works:[2016-11-04 17:35:50] phubb.INFO: Verifying subscription {"callback":"https://pubsubrocks.tunnlr.xyz/publisher/callback?token=KwiSTRvz2CC314MKR4dB","topic":"http://push-tester.cwe
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cweiske iske.de/feed.php","mode":"subscribe","leaseSeconds":7200,"secret":"","job":"H:ahso2:778"} []
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cweiske [2016-11-04 17:35:51] phubb.INFO: Subscription accepted {"job":"H:ahso2:778"} []
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cweiske there were subscription verification errors in between, though:
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cweiske [2016-11-04 17:13:02] phubb.NOTICE: Verification failed {"callback":"https://pubsubrocks.tunnlr.xyz/publisher/callback?token=HgUZNaVaK8X0kk8NoDGu","topic":"http://push-tester.cweiske.de/","mode":"subscribe","leaseSeconds":7200,"secret":"","reason":"verification response status not 200 but 404","job":"H:ahso2:736"} []
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@TejanAusland Testing Webmentions for a Friend http://tejanausland.com/testing-webmentions-for-a-friend/ (twitter.com/_/status/795211565876264960)
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@TejanAusland Another Test of Webmentions http://tejanausland.com/another-test-of-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/795213611241181185)
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@TejanAusland Testing webmentions on my friend's blog. http://opensourceyourmind.com/what-matters-more-than-the-right-words/ (twitter.com/_/status/795216747506696192)
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cweiske I finally got around adding a proper systemd service configuration for phubb, so that systemd takes care of starting up multiple worker instances after reboot.
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cweiske http://git.cweiske.de/phubb.git/commitdiff/4239229d2f5f6f5a8a3a9d9f1513cfe49e45ebc0
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@starbops @Ellaeon 我名詞搞得有點混亂 XD 所以 IndieAuth 和 RelMeAuth 都是 web sign-in 的實作嗎？ (twitter.com/_/status/795263154464792576)
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KevinMarks_ Yes thegillies - in github, and I have a commit hook that deploys to Heroku, and a minimal node app that serves them statically
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@leastfixedpoint So with WebMention there are source=...&target=... params, but no rel=... or property=... param. I wonder what the story there is! (twitter.com/_/status/795296769550811136)
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@leastfixedpoint Also, wouldn't it start to get Extremely Interesting to start thinking of a web-sized set-of-triples CRDT maintained via WebMention! (twitter.com/_/status/795296965970038784)
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@aaronpk @leastfixedpoint The Webmention is just the notification that one URL links to another. What the link means is described at that URL. (twitter.com/_/status/795297438558883840)
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aaronparecki.com edited /responses (-21) "ungroup post types because "review" is not obviously a type of reply. sort by approximate usage." (view diff)
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@calum_ryan Response third test (Self-built CMS with mention-client library to handle Webmention) (twitter.com/_/status/795346254553300992)
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gRegorLove Hey tantek, when you get a moment could you take a look at my h-cite and <cite> usage on quotes to see if it makes sense? https://gregorlove.com/2016/05/grace-means-suddenly-youre-in/ I feel like I'm mainly using <cite> here for the default italics formatting, so maybe I should just use spans to apply that styling instead?
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] “Grace means suddenly you’re in a different universe from the one where you were stuck, and there was absolutely no way for you to get there on your own.” — Anne Lamott, Small Victories: Spotting Improbable Moments of Grace...
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gRegorLove And I don't put the whole thing in the <cite> because I don't want to italicize the author's name.
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gRegorLove Anyone's feedback is welcome, actually. :)
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KartikPrabhu should the h-cite contain the actual quotation too? the <cite> usage looks good
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gRegorLove The <cite> usage is correct to my knowledge, but I'm wondering if it adds any value beyond the italics.
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gRegorLove Good question on it containing the quotation, though. Let me check
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gRegorLove http://microformats.org/wiki/h-cite lists p-content, though no examples of it.
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Loqi h-cite
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: yeah my understanding was that you'd use h-cite exactly as you'd use h-entry
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KartikPrabhu the <cite> usage by default only adds italics but <cite> is considered more "semantic" the same way that <i> and <em> are also italics by default but are supposed to mean differenrt thingfs
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gRegorLove Makes sense. This looks better: h-cite nested in an h-entry http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20161106210424526
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KartikPrabhu why extra <div> and not p-content on the <blockquote> ?
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gRegorLove Just hacking the existing html; can definitely simplify
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KartikPrabhu yeah that nesting looks good to me
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gRegorLove Though wonder what a p-author inside p-content will do. Will find out. It probably works fine.
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KartikPrabhu yeah i think it does work
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gRegorLove Yep. Sweet. http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20161106210936881
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gRegorLove You hacking on anything today, KartikPrabhu?
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KartikPrabhu unfortunately not. Have an upcoming deadline to finish edits on a paper
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KartikPrabhu you showed them
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gRegorLove Nah. Maybe if I was still in Chicago :)
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gRegorLove Whole Foods pizza will do for now though.
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TheGillies KevinMarks__: Does the node app live on heroku or is that hosted somewhere else?
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tantek gRegorLove++
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Loqi gregorlove has 8 karma in this channel (90 overall)
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tantek it is done, I've switched from using Google Search to using DuckDuckGo on my site search
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aaronpk !tell kylewm what does "no feeds found" mean in woodwind? is it not possible to subscribe to a feed URL itself? Is it assuming you're going to enter a home page or something?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove I've subscribed directly to xml feeds, if that's what you mean aaronpk.
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk can you tell what would be wrong with https://pubsub.rocks/subscriber/100/3qNdRDb85AhLEP5PFQ0n
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gRegorLove Otherwise it should find h-feed, rel-alternate feeds, and give you radio button options
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aaronpk oh it won't subscribe to a list of h-entrys?
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gRegorLove I think it does just h-entry too, not sure
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gRegorLove That pubsub.rocks link is blank content and source for me
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aaronpk oh
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aaronpk my bad. 500 server error
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