#dev 2016-11-08

2016-11-08 UTC
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TheGillies Anyone wanna test me a test webmention? http://indieweb.tyler.cat/content/test.html
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Loqi This is from static file test.html on S3 test
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aaronpk you can always get webmention.rocks to send you one :)
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TheGillies aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 17 karma in this channel (1136 overall)
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gRegorLove TheGillies: Sent, got a 200 response
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gRegorLove And comment showed up.
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gRegorLove TheGillies++
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tantek what is the long web?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "long web" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek hmm
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tantek what is longevity
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Loqi Longevity is the goal of keeping your data as future-friendly and future-proof as possible; it is one of the indieweb principles https://indieweb.org/longevity
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tantek long web is /longevity
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /long_web (+22) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek longevity << https://twitter.com/hashtag/longweb
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/hashtag/longweb" to the "See Also" section of /longevity
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loqi.me edited /longevity (+38) "tantek added "https://twitter.com/hashtag/longweb" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek this one was for all the "architects" out there: https://twitter.com/t/status/795788753864445953
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Loqi [@t] “preserved the links … couldn’t migrate GUIDs” http://waxy.org/2016/11/redesigning-waxy-2016-edition/ Visible links > invisible GUIDs. #longweb (ttk.me t4kC1)
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aaronpk heh
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KartikPrabhu what is GUID?
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KartikPrabhu what is GUID?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "GUID" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu GUID is an acronym for Globally Unique Identifier, typically a 128-bit number that used to uniquely reference or identify something.
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loqi.me created /GUID (+164) "prompted by KartikPrabhu and dfn added by KartikPrabhu" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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KartikPrabhu is that correct ^? any examples and criticisms should be added
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tantek GUID << http://tantek.com/2016/312/t1/preseved-links-visible-indieweb-longweb
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loqi.me edited /GUID (+89) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "http://tantek.com/2016/312/t1/preseved-links-visible-indieweb-longweb" to the "See Also" section of /GUID
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] “preserved the links … couldn’t migrate GUIDs” http://waxy.org/2016/11/redesigning-waxy-2016-edition/ Visible links > invisible GUIDs. #longweb...
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KartikPrabhu hat is purple numbers?
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tantek I was in way too many arguments (discussions) about feeds and feed formats in the early 2000s surrounded by architects claiming GUIDs were the most important / reliable thing "by definition" and was never convinced. Turns out they were all talking hypotheticals
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KartikPrabhu what is purple numbers?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "purple numbers" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is wikifying?
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Loqi wikifying is the practice of putting stuff on the wiki, or something in particular on the wiki https://indieweb.org/wikifying
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tantek what is wikifying FAQ?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wikifying FAQ" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek wikifying FAQ is /wikifying#FAQ
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loqi.me created /wikifying_FAQ (+26) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is should this be on the wiki
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "should this be on the wiki" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek should this be on the wiki is /wikifying#Should_this_be_on_the_wiki
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loqi.me created /should_this_be_on_the_wiki (+49) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is what should not go on the wiki
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "what should not go on the wiki" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what should not go on the wiki is /wikifying#What_should_not_go_on_the_wiki
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loqi.me created /what_should_not_go_on_the_wiki (+53) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gregorlove.com edited /GUID (+10) "/* See Also */ uid" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu err so GUID should not have been on the wiki?
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gregorlove.com edited /uid (+33) "see also: guid" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I think it's legit
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no that was in reference to purple numbers which was definitely left field
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah i was simply checking since i was thinking of marginalia and fragmention stuff
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gRegorLove Interesting, didn't realize: The term "GUID" typically refers to various implementations of the universally unique identifier (UUID) standard.
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aaronpk huh yeah, i always thought it was just the concept
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tantek which was just concept?
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tantek pretty sure various feed file formats have GUID as a required property of items/entries
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tantek because the architects thought that by demanding GUIDs you could force reliability
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tantek as if reliability is ever achieved by fiat
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KevinMarks Urls are GUIDs, content hashes are GUIDs, but they each have other useful properties
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TheGillies I think it should be illegal for people to come to your door to try and influence you to vote a certain way
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TheGillies it says right on the ballot that pressuring someone to vote a certain way is against the law
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KartikPrabhu off-topic surely
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TheGillies OOps
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TheGillies Wrong channel sorry
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tantek TheGillies: ok for #indiechat though!
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tantek KevinMarks: back the those feed file format argument days, the architects would insist that no, URLS are NOT GUIDs, because you may want to move your blog to another domain and keep your GUIDs
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tantek of course they never provided any examples of anyone every doing that
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gRegorLove I thought benwerd ran into something like that?
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gRegorLove I did run into the "issue" when I switched to https that some <id> in my Atom feed changed. Minor issue, though, just meant my latest 10 posts showed up as new again in readers.
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tantek gRegorLove: that's kinda what Andy Baio said too
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tantek In http://waxy.org/2016/11/redesigning-waxy-2016-edition/ "
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Loqi [Andy Baio] Redesigning Waxy, 2016 edition
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tantek "(Just mark everything as read if you’re using a feedreader. Sorry about that.) Hopefully, I’m not interrupting the various network of Twitter bots, feedreaders, and IFTTT rules that rely on it."
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tantek.com edited /2016/LA/Guest_List (-187) "Angelo sent regrets to Chris, and confirmed Jesus attendance" (view diff)
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KevinMarks There's a bit of zooko's triangle about this guid stuff
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tantek.com edited /2016/LA (+255) "/* Photos */ use photosrcalt, add Sunday photo via adactio from Flickr" (view diff)
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TheGillies aaronpk: Unknown error retrieving http://indieweb.tyler.cat/: U+4EBA from UTF-8 to US-ASCII
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TheGillies y u hate utf8?
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KartikPrabhu this is using what service?
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TheGillies https://indieauth.com
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aaronpk Oops wat?
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aaronpk Wheres that from
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TheGillies I had a utf8 url as my google plus rel=me in my site
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TheGillies I changed it to email though cause I didn't want to mess with it
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aaronpk Hm
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TheGillies Clef is pretty cool, is that a new option?
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TheGillies n/m
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TheGillies Getting this while trying to auth with webmention.rocks Invalid State
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TheGillies The state parameter provided did not match the state at the start of authorization. You will need to start the login process again.
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TheGillies I'm really good at breaking shite
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TheGillies Using clef
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tantek.com edited /2016/LA (+199) "/* Notes */ add a couple of posts" (view diff)
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aaronpk Huh
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TheGillies Works fine with plain email auth
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TheGillies woo test passed http://indieweb.tyler.cat/content/test.html
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Loqi This is from static file test.html on S3 test
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TheGillies "This test verifies that your Webmention endpoint validates the source and target URLs, rejecting the request with HTTP 400 if either parameter is invalid."
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TheGillies What does it mean by invalid?
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KartikPrabhu what's clef?
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TheGillies clef.io
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TheGillies password-less auth system
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TheGillies i HATE passwords
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TheGillies like with a passion
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TheGillies so I'm stoked anytime I see someone use this type of thing
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aaronpk Invalid means like source=bah
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TheGillies ah, thanks
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TheGillies source=tyler
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TheGillies heh
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TheGillies source=(tyler|gillies)
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tantek.com edited /2016/LA (+109) "/* Notes */ add mine" (view diff)
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TheGillies https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ErQcFRPpInmlBcpKjhZOvtWY - invalid-cert.PNG (4KB)
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TheGillies So much for that heh
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+638) "/* client side search */ note switch to duckduckgo, but explicit things that (still) need improving" (view diff)
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rYABxkHXtNaWxpDY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EsJLNGVJ7E & https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893 & http://i.imgur.com/TmzXvvz.jpg
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j4y_funabashi morning
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Loqi good morning!
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GWG Howdy y'all
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ben_thatmustbeme morning all
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aaronparecki.com edited /Mastodon (+0) "link to screenshot instead of embedding it, to avoid the "502" image being the most prominent thing on the page" (view diff)
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brennannovak.com created /Single_Point_of_Failure (+641) "added initial entry" (view diff)
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brennannovak.com edited /Mastodon (+493) "added single point of failure for context to Criticism" (view diff)
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aaronpk what is SPOF?
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Loqi spof is a word derived from an abbreviation (like "scuba") that means "single point of failure" https://indieweb.org/spof
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aaronpk gRegorLove: your processwire implementations supports private webmentions now right?
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gRegorLove Sending only, yes. Not in a publicly-released plugin though, in case that matters.
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aaronpk cool. can you add that to your implementation report? you can just add a note under it saying it's not in the public one
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aaronpk publicly released stuff is nice but not required for the reports
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gRegorLove Ah, ok
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gRegorLove I'll make a note about loopback too; same story there.
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aaronpk ah cool
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gRegorLove Though I'll push loopback out this month probably
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gRegorLove << User:Gregorlove.com Todo: add private webmention and loopback check to Webmention implementation report
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gRegorLove Loqi
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gRegorLove Oh, duh
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gRegorLove User:Gregorlove.com << Todo: add private webmention and loopback check to Webmention implementation report
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loqi.me edited /User:Gregorlove.com (+86) "gRegorLove added "Todo: add private webmention and loopback check to Webmention implementation report" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "Todo: add private webmention and loopback check to Webmention implementation report" to the "See Also" section of /User:Gregorlove.com
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aaronpk gRegorLove: i'm going to update your report in the summary is that okay?
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gRegorLove aaronpk: sure
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aaronpk yay thx
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gRegorLove Are those due soon?
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gRegorLove Have noticed a push to get them in
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aaronpk i just wanted to be able to share the updated report on today's call
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aaronpk s/report/summary/
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gRegorLove Ohh, so you updated the spreadsheet. Still need me to update the implementation report?
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aaronpk yes plz
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gregorlove.com edited /next-iwc (+2) "/2016/MIT2" (view diff)
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Can you update /sidebar s/Los Angeles and Berlin/Cambridge/. It's a protected page.
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aaronpk orly
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aaronpk is reminded he needs to blacklist bettyskitchen in switchboard like cweiske did
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gregorlove.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "next" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Main_Page (-11) "/* IndieWebCamp */ shorten to "IndieWebCamp Cambridge"" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi ahaha
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tantek yeah!
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