#dev 2016-12-02

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loqi.me created /itunes:summary (+355) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /logo (+39) "mblaney added "https://unicyclic.com/images/hwc.svg" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+11) "/* Features */ photo feature has max size of 5MB" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+315) "/* Issues */ Photo Upload Size Limit" (view diff)
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tantek anyone else use Bridgy to publish photos to Twitter? issue filed: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/710
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tantek is now going to sit back and see what happens when the This Week newsletter attempts to tweet the 6MB animated GIF via silo.pub
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tantek see is silo.pub automatically shrinks the photo to 5MB or not
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+83) "/* Photo Upload Size Limit */ related Bridgy issue" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Twitter (+91) "/* Features */ 1-4 photos, 1 vid or 1 gif" (view diff)
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@John316Network https://booklaunch.io/llwroberts/thedoor - The Door is free. #IARTG #John316author #indieauth https://twitter.com/LorilynRoberts/status/739783198624751616/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/804554669196353536)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+129) "/* RSVP */ yes also supported via "went to"" (view diff)
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@nicosomb IndieAuth: Sign in with your domain name https://indieauth.com/ by @aaronpk https://twitter.com/nicosomb/status/804640560791359488/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/804640560791359488)
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j4y_funabashi !tell aaronpk If I have a media endpoint do I still need to support file uploads in my micropub endpoint?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat j4y_funabashi, I would say no.
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Zegnat “A conforming Micropub client that creates posts: […] must check for the presence of a Media Endpoint and if present, send the file there instead of to the Micropub endpoint” - https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#publishing-clients
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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Zegnat Do, reading the mf wiki more carefully, it seems to suggest that .e-content “should be interpreted as a description of” .u-photo. In that case, it makes sense to place .u-photo outside of .e-content
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sknebel huh
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Sebsel yeah, and the problem with it is that most readers expect an e-content, but no u-photo.
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sknebel a converter to a different format should fix that, since it can't expect an atom reader to know about mf2
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j4y_funabashi Zegnat: yeah thinking about it I prolly need to keep it in for clients that do not support media endpoint
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Zegnat Are there any other properties that might be used outside of the content property that we might miss on conversion? Ideas, sknebel?
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Zegnat j4y_funabashi, of course you can always implement more than absolutely necessary ;)
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j4y_funabashi yeah true, I just really like deleting code :)
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sknebel Zegnat: all of them? :P
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Zegnat sknebel, but do you expect everything to be shown as content? I would not expect all category (tag) properties to be added to the Atom entry content
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j4y_funabashi yeah I put u-photo outside e-content ie https://j4y.co/p/20161027092455_5811c7e725d8b
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Zegnat Yep, that seems to be almost the prevailing use-case (and in line with content being a description of the photo)
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Zegnat But it also means an Atom feed generated through Granary will not include your many photos: https://granary-demo.appspot.com/url?input=html&output=atom&url=https%3A%2F%2Fj4y.co
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Zegnat j4y_funabashi, your tag pages are broken, is that right?
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j4y_funabashi Zegnat: ah yeah I really need to fix that, been busy going through the micropub.rocks tests
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sknebel Zegnat: the various specifiers for links (reply-to, bookmark-of, ...) arguably should show up if not in the content
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sknebel e.g. have a look at the granary output for https://aaronparecki.com/2016/11/30/10/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Transmission Lines - Signal Transmission and Reflection https://aaronparecki.com/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.aaronpk.com%2Ffile-20161130193007-8508.txt&sig=ce5529cc6be7bf6b4e3b44132112842437b966383b3f8c46652ee0c721ef24bf
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j4y_funabashi I would think RSS/Atom is more intended to be a list of headlines? my u-photos show up in woodwind
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sknebel or rather, look at the link, then think what you'd want your feed reader to show, then look at the conversion ;)
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sknebel I admit that it's a mean edge case, and probably just the proof that if atom-user-user-experience is important to you you have to hand-tune it a bit
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Zegnat j4y_funabashi, Granary is great for using non-h-feed readers to still subscribe to IndieWeb sites. I’d like to keep using the reader software I have been using for years ;)
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Zegnat I realised that sknebel, I might have to run my own h-feed-to-atom
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sknebel the question of what belongs in e-content is still worth getting an answer (or rather a reasoning for the answer) for, it wasn't what I expected
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Sebsel I think only u-photo, u-video and u-audio are things that are content but live outside of e-content now (sometimes)
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Sebsel because those are external/non-text anyway
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sknebel stuff like u-bookmark-of aren't necessarily part of content either, but really important to understand the post
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Zegnat When would you put u-bookmark-of outside of e-content?
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Sebsel I believe I do too indeed... https://seblog.nl/bookmarks
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sknebel Zegnat: see the example of aaron ;)
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Sebsel So that would be another one when.
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Zegnat That does throw another ux question. On my feed, would I expect the entry URL to bring me to the bookmarked page or to the hentry permalink?
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Zegnat Link blogs like Waxy’s or DaringFireball have the atom entry link straight to the bookmark/repost.
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Sebsel In an converted Atom feed it would, but in Mf2 no, because we have u-bookmark-of ?
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Zegnat sebsel, your bookmarks are especially interesting because you have 2 content properties per entry
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sknebel Zegnat: that has been debated a lot
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Zegnat sknebel, any links to such debate?
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Sebsel yeah, I saw that now. Should hide the other when there's no text. I noted it :)
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sknebel I'll dig later, I think IWC Düsseldorf
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sknebel or brighton?
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sknebel and not sure if in a logged context
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Zegnat I don’t remember it from either, but I don’t think I have ever attended a session on bookmarking... maybe...
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Zegnat sebsel, or you turn p-content into e-content and the problem is solved. They are the same mf2 property, they ar just parsed differently (p- and e- parsing differ)
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Sebsel Zegnat: I did put in on p- because first it did send the icon as a <img>. But the icon is outside of the content now anyway
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: j4y_funabashi left you a message 2 hours, 57 minutes ago: If I have a media endpoint do I still need to support file uploads in my micropub endpoint?
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aaronpk j4y_funabashi: yes, the reason being that you still want to support simple clients that don't understand the media endpoint
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: cheers, thought so
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aaronparecki.com created /Books_about_the_IndieWeb (+916) "add Kill Process with partial quote" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /news (+34) "+books" (view diff)
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j4y_funabashi aaallmost there... https://micropub.rocks/implementation-report/server/39/ziALOZ1xn5Qqm5Y5S25v
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aaronpk j4y_funabashi++
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Loqi j4y_funabashi has 1 karma in this channel (6 overall)
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aaronpk i should make that list more obvious which are grouped
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Loqi I agree
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aaronpk e.g. you aren't expected to pass both 14 and 15
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sknebel aaronpk: we had a discussion earlier about how to deal with mf2 attributes that are not part of the content-attributes when converting to other formats, since zegnat noticed that if you put e.g. your site into granary, the photos don't make it in the resulting atom-feed
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aaronpk ah yeah
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sknebel since the u-photo is not in the e-content
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j4y_funabashi yeah it is slightly confusing that it is different wording to the server tests screen, not too bad though
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aaronpk IMO the converter should recognize the photo property and embed it into the post however is best appropriate for the target format
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aaronpk j4y_funabashi: yeah the numbered list is the list of "spec features" which need 2+ implementations of each feature in order for the spec to move to the next step in the w3c process
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sknebel (https://www.svenknebel.de/posts/2016/12/2/aaronpk_bookmark_feed.png that's how your /bookmarks looks in my feed reader ;))
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sknebel (through granary)
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aaronpk sknebel: I had the opposite problem when writing Monocle. Some people's posts were showing the photo twice because monocle *did* recognize the u-photo property but also rendered the e-content, so it would show the image in the content area and then also show it because of the u-photo
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sknebel and e.g. I put the photo in the e-content in my photo posts, but apparently that's wrong
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aaronpk i ended up adding some code to check whether the URL in the u-photo was present in the e-content and skipping it in that case
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gRegorLove That sounds like the "note post with photo" vs "photo post" conversation.
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: yeah I like it, are you thinking of a similar thing for webmention.rocks?
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gRegorLove I do the former mainly because I only have article and note post types, haven't customized further.
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j4y_funabashi much easier than filling out a report and doing the conversion between test and spec in your head
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aaronpk j4y_funabashi: i'll probably update webmention.rocks to fill out the report automatically too, but likely not until after i finish https://websub.rocks
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j4y_funabashi cool
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aaronpk but yeah, you only need to check off one of 14 & 15, as well as one of 20, 21 & 22
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@JREnslin An update broke the #Webmentions client. It never worked properly with rel="in-reply-to". Let's see if t (https://t.co/unyHl5PUVZ) (twitter.com/_/status/804748243779420161)
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@JREnslin Okay, it hasn't yet. #homepage #Webmentions (https://t.co/hOIEE82BW7) (twitter.com/_/status/804748616959217664)
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@JREnslin #Webmentions work again, also if they are used in replies. #homepage (https://t.co/80LLMrzifT) (twitter.com/_/status/804750183628042240)
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@grantpotter #webmention inching closer to #w3c standard https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/804784516539830272)
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