#dev 2017-01-06

2017-01-06 UTC
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-01-05-flickr-edit-relationship.png]]""
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@ChrisAldrich @csarven @rhiaro future = academic samizdat + webmention (twitter.com/_/status/817205598521585664)
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tantek.com edited /Strava (+245) "How to Export, link to support article" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Strava (+280) "/* How to Export */ note bulk export steps" (view diff)
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tantek what is Suunto
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Suunto" yet. Would you like to create it?_
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tantek Suunto is a maker of exercise watches for running and other physical activities that tracks GPS and heart rate, and can sync with a web silo at movescount.com or the Suunto mobile native app.
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tantek hmm
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tantek what is Suunto
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Suunto" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Suunto is a maker of exercise watches for running and other physical activities that tracks GPS and heart rate, and can sync with a web silo at movescount.com or the Suunto mobile native app.
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loqi.me created /Suunto (+223) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk Huh I've never heard of that
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tantek.com edited /Suunto (+543) "Features, Strava Upload, see also" (view diff)
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aaronpk ???
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tantek.com edited /Suunto (+361) "How to Export" (view diff)
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tantek what is GPX?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "GPX" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek GPX is an XML format for a series of timestamped locations in latitude, longitude, and elevation. More info: http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com edited /Strava (+389) "got bulk export, less than what I wanted, kudos and comments missing" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Strava (+52) "/* How to Export */ not included, photo on activities either" (view diff)
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tantek sigh, oh well, typical silo. likes and comments are not exported
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tantek another potential Bridgy backfeed feature request
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tantek.com edited /Strava (+461) "/* How to Export */ Activity Export, subheads" (view diff)
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petermolnar CSS wizards: if anyone has any ideas, I'd be glad to hear it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/41504162/
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cweiske petermolnar, I don't think this is doable in css only
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cweiske especially not if you want to adapt to differnent client widths
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petermolnar no, I don't either, but flexbox still looks like black magic, so there is a potential there
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vanderven.se martijn edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (+389) "/* Where */ the Netherlands is definitely on, locality chosen, venue pending." (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (+287) "/* RSVP */ RSVP’ing for multiple people." (view diff)
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aaronpk petermolnar: you can get really close with CSS https://aaronparecki.com/2016/08/13/4/css-thumbnails
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Centered and Cropped Thumbnails with CSS https://aaronparecki.com/2016/08/13/4/cropped-thumbnails.jpg
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aaronpk i used JS to set the aspect ratio option client side but if you know it at render time you can set it server side
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petermolnar true; however, in this case, due to being part of a photographer's portfolio, I can't do that
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petermolnar I mean the squares
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aaronpk I don't think they have tobe squares for it to work
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aaronpk Yeah they're not actually squares
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aaronpk "This does mean the thumbnails will no longer be square on narrow screens"
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petermolnar yes, I have an exteremely dumb micropub endpoint working :)
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petermolnar relying on indieauth, no file support, but does reply, repost, bookmark, article, and note
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petermolnar now I need to figure out when and how to trigger the rebuilds
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aaronpk yay congrats
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petermolnar thank you for the existence of indieauth and quill :)
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aaronpk haha you're quite welcome
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Loqi nice
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KevinMarks Petermolnar: what is your layout goal? Images all the same height, varying in width, but filling a row?
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KevinMarks KartikPrabhu did something that worked, but I think it needs to know image dimensions in advance
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aaronpk mine works without knowing image dimensions. you only need to know whether it's portrait or landscape, which can be done either server side or client side
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KevinMarks But yours crops?
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petermolnar max height to images (eg. 20vh ), images in the same row are same height but rows alway fill width
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aaronpk oh sorry, i have two different ones
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aaronpk petermolnar: are you trying to *not* crop images?
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petermolnar in this case, cropping is not an option
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KevinMarks And images are arbitrary aspect ratio, not all the same ratio but portrait and landscape?
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aaronpk ah that was not clear from the question
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petermolnar KevinMarks: yes
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petermolnar I mean the second
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aaronpk i don't think you can do that with only CSS
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petermolnar so mixed portraint and landscape
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aaronpk i spent a lot of time researching this
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aaronpk flickr has done the best job of it: https://flickr.github.io/justified-layout/
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aaronpk https://github.com/flickr/justified-layout
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aaronpk i implemented a JS version that does all the necessary calculations client side https://aaronparecki.com/assets/photo-albums/photo-layout.js
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petermolnar http://miromannino.github.io/Justified-Gallery/ is quite good
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aaronpk but if you know the image dimensions server side then you can do that too
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KevinMarks Right, I think you would need to know dimensions server side
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petermolnar with fixed layout, yes, but not as responsive layout
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aaronpk my version of it recalculates the layout when the window is resized. it works pretty well.
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aaronpk but i think it's always going to require javascript
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aaronpk you get a decent fallback w/o JS tho, you just have ragged edges
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KevinMarks With flexbox you could do something like it, but you'd get varying gutter width
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petermolnar indeed
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KevinMarks Which may be worse than ragged
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aaronpk hm apparently i have not actually posted an album on my site since launching album support. i should fix that.
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KevinMarks Could css grid do this?
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petermolnar KevinMarks a very tricky one maybe since the aspect ratio is "liquid"
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KevinMarks How do you make the last row work? Isn't there a danger of it being really tall
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loqi.me edited /Unsending (+116) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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aaronpk you have to set an arbitrary limit for every row anyway
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aaronpk so the last row may be dangling
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loqi.me edited /Unsending (+129) "sknebel added "https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Recall-or-replace-an-email-message-that-you-sent-35027f88-d655-4554-b4f8-6c0729a723a0" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 23 karma in this channel (1172 overall)
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gRegorLove What is unsending?
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Loqi Unsending is an option offered by messaging silos to retract a message that is already sent to another person https://indieweb.org/Unsending
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aaronparecki.com moved /Unsending to /unsending "not a proper noun"
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tantek In PESETAS news, I'm trying to see if I can PESETAS all my exercise related stuff to Strava
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tantek e.g. Suunto watch -> Movescount.com silo -> Strava silo
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gRegorLove what is undelete?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "undelete" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Strava seems to have decent export of geo data, if not comments and kudos (likes)
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gRegorLove What is delete?
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Loqi A deleted is a post that has been removed https://indieweb.org/delete
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tantek undelete is the first U in CDURU
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk :smh:
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gRegorLove What is CDURU?
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Loqi CDURU is Create Delete Undelete Read Update as defined in http://tantek.com/2016/093/t1/indieweb-micropub-incrementalism-cduru — a replacement for CRUD https://indieweb.org/CDURU
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tantek :D
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tantek hey aaronpk do you POSSE your exercise and movement (walk, run, bicycle) to Strava?
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tantek looks like they have a pretty good OAuth based API to do so
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aaronpk no, i abandoned strava a while ago
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tantek oh! when?
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tantek did you post about it?
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aaronpk i don't think so
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tantek checks /silo-quits
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aaronpk hm, i can't quite remember the exact details. clearly i should have posted about it
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Zegnat aaronpk, why did Loqi create unsending with a starying capital? Did I do something wrong?
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aaronpk i think because your definition started with caps
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tantek what is freemyoauth
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Loqi Free My OAuth is a page designed to help you find who has access to your accounts on various silos https://indieweb.org/FreeMyOAuth
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tantek hmm, no strava there
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Zegnat Ah, so the Page is created based on definition capitalisation rather than prompt capitalisation. Good to know.
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tantek right, so you can fix the capitalization when you define it
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aaronpk sure that's totally what i meant to do :)
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tantek but you can be lazy about caps when you ask
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aaronpk yeah i think i switched from strava to runkeeper some time in 2014 maybe early 2015
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tantek all my NP friends have trended to Strava
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aaronpk IIRC it was because the strava app required an extra button tap to start or something
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aaronpk and i was using it for all my bike rides so it got super frustrating
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tantek I think all the Segment records stuff motivates people
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aaronpk i don't track bike rides on runkeeper anymore cause i switched to using my own app for those a while ago
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aaronpk my app posts directly to my website so i skip all the silo nonsense
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tantek right, hence wondering if you *POSSE* after that
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aaronpk i don't, but only because i don't know what value i'd get out of that
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tantek looks for a Strava logo to hotlink
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tantek usual silo POSSE value, likes and comments from people on the silo
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aaronpk i never had any friends who used strava. more of my friends use runkeeper
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aaronpk my last post in strava was july 11 2014
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tantek do you now POSSE to runkeeper?
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tantek what is runkeeper?
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Loqi RunKeeper is an exercise silo and native app for keeping track of running, biking and other physical activity https://indieweb.org/runkeeper
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aaronpk i don't, but maybe i should? tho i might post short bike rides more often than people there care to see
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aaronpk i actually use runkeeper when I run but only because it talks to my heart rate monitor and my own app doesn't
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tantek the Suunto also talks to the heartrate monitor
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aaronpk so my runs are usually PESOS'd back to my site so they include heart rate monitor
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tantek or rather, comes with a heartrate monitor strap - haven't bothered with it yet, just trying to get the basic stuff working
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aaronpk does Known support micropub natively now? I keep forgetting
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tantek I thought only create
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aaronpk i think so yeah
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tantek now that I've connected Movescount -> Strava, let's see if I can setup Suunto -> Movescount iOS
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aaronpk what is movescount?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "movescount" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Movescount is an exercise silo run by [[Suunto]] that can connect to [[Strava]] to automatically cross-post [[exercise]] posts there. http://movescount.com/
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk aha
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tantek taking a bunch of screenshots of the mobile bluetooth pairing in movescount
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tantek WTF why am I seeing Gmail on my exercise watch
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tantek oh no what have I done
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aaronpk lol
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tantek OMS Instagram like notifications
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tantek NOOOOOOOOOOO
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tantek staaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhp
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aaronpk ahahaha did start showing all your iOS notifications?
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Loqi hehe
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aaronpk you can turn that off in bluetooth settings
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tantek looks like it
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tantek what is bluetooth settings?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bluetooth settings" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk hm i don't have any bluetooth devices paired that can show notifications anymore since my Pebble broke so i can't share a screenshot
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tantek darnit I thought I was getting "just" an exercise watch, not a "Smart" watch
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tantek on what device?
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aaronpk the iphone
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aaronpk er, ios device
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tantek aaronpk, Bluetooth in Settings only shows the on/off toggle, and "My Devices" with one line for my watch
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aaronpk tap the "i" on the watch device there
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aaronpk there should be options to configure what it can do with bluetooth
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tantek with an (I) icon on the right side, when I tap it, the only option is "Forget This Device"
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tantek WTF
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aaronpk oh..i could have sworn there were options there
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tantek darnit now there is a message icon with a number on it on my watch
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tantek DO NOT WANT
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tantek aha, on the watch, deep in Settings > Connectivity > Notifications > OFF
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tantek Connectivity > Settings > Notifications
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tantek phew, now I'm just going to pretend I didn't see that and that my exercise watch is just an exercise watch
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@rachelandrew @tkadlec yes - we want to implement webmention in Perch, so maybe that’s the answer. (twitter.com/_/status/817440333768380416)
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tantek.com edited /Strava (+16) "see also runkeeper" (view diff)
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tantek RunKeeper << [[Strava]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Strava]]" to the "See Also" section of /RunKeeper
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tantek Nike+ << [[Strava]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Strava]]" to the "See Also" section of /Nike+
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calumryan.com edited /events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club (+382) "Adding venue details for HWC London 25-Jan" (view diff)
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calumryan.com edited /events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club (+158) "Adding HWC London RSVP options" (view diff)
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calumryan.com edited /Main_Page (+8) "Adding to homepage London HWC for 2017-01-25" (view diff)
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unrelenting.technology edited /Mastodon (+140) "Add microformats2 full patch" (view diff)
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myfreeweb interesting, the mastodon maintainer just merges pull requests without even saying anything :)
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tantek neat!
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tantek myfreeweb, can you provide some permalinks to live content for those features so we can check out the final output, try parsing it etc.?
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myfreeweb they haven't pushed the changes to production yet
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tantek ah ok - how often does that happen?
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myfreeweb i don't know
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aaronpk wow good job webmention.io clustering https://webmention.io/notification/2WNj1OAZMR9KtU8FuScmBA
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aaronpk oops that requires login
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-01-06-11-42-39.png
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bear.im edited /Hangouts (+280) "add item about API shutdown" (view diff)
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tantek any photos for the newsletter?
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@dentaku Probiere Webmentions aus. Bin verwirrt. (twitter.com/_/status/817480637565243392)
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@oss_php webmention - Webmention Plugin for Craft CMS https://github.com/matthiasott/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/817491488577847296)
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aaronpk what's the best practice for generating a new ssh key these days?
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bear ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096
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aaronpk rsa still? not some fancy elliptic curve thing?
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bear if you want to be bleeding edge...
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bear not a lot of servers have it yet
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bear ssh-keygen -t ed25519 -a 100
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aaronpk does ubuntu 14.04?
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singpolyma most server support that other ellipic curve ssh option
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aaronpk that's most of my servers
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singpolyma and actually, I'd say *most* support ed25519 also. but occasionally I hit one that does'nt
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bear ECDSA OpenSSH 5.7+
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bear ed25519 OpenSSH 6.5+
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bear so that is what you check for your servers
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bear this article has the OS versions listed https://chealion.ca/2016/06/20/ssh-key-types-and-cryptography-the-short-notes/
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bear and then I would also audit your sshd config -- https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Guidelines/OpenSSH#Modern_.28OpenSSH_6.7.2B.29
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aaronpk ?
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bear hmm, I should write a post about that
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@dkreuz @dentaku Auf bridgy musst du den #WebMention-Endpunkt deines Servers angeben. Der sollte auf deinen Seiten durch das Plugin im HTML stehen (twitter.com/_/status/817497542313308162)
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myfreeweb here's a good post about ssh https://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html not much changed since 2015 really, except ed25519 support is like everywhere
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aaronpk whoa the public key for the ed25519 key is super short
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bear ok, new short post up about my habit of rotating them yearly
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aaronpk ooh
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aaronpk bear++
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Loqi bear has 10 karma in this channel (174 overall)
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bear woo - I got a webmention! (sorry, that still excites the heck out of me)
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk hmm gogs doesn't validate my new fancy key
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aaronpk but they supposedly fixed that back in 2014
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bear just found out the hardway - osx's sshd doesn't like ed25519
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bear so if your in the habit of ssh'ing to your laptops
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aaronpk oh funny
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aaronpk i don't usually do that
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bear I do it as sanity back doors
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@m_ott @rachelandrew Webmention indeed feels really good. And via brid.gy, you can also display likes/retweets/replies on your own site. (twitter.com/_/status/817513821929672706)
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tantek aaronpk, I feel like this tweet is begging a reply from you, linking to a few "open social network protocol" specs ;) https://twitter.com/keithjgrant/status/817461001973039104
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Loqi [@keithjgrant] @davatron5000 I’ve always wished there were an open social network protocol, & we could switch networks like switching email providers :(