#dev 2017-01-23
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# KartikPrabhu tantek: your instagram link to the photo in http://tantek.com/2017/022/t3/dream-in-rain seems to be broken
# Loqi [Tantek Çelik] a jpg. #Dream! #nofilter
Stopped in the rain to take this photo. Water on the glass unintentionally took a burst of photos and this one happened to be better than the carefully cropped shot I took afterwards.
#NYC #Brooklyn #LIC #LongIslandCity #ML... https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/16111071_183305332149338_924432916656685056_n.jpg
# KartikPrabhu weird
# Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/private_post
# KartikPrabhu oh! ok got it
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# tantek.com edited /private_posts (+928) "/* Silo Examples */ Instagram, private posts really side-effect of private accounts, confusing error when logged out" (view diff)
# tantek KartikPrabhu: is this the error message you saw: https://indieweb.org/private_posts#Instagram
# KartikPrabhu yup
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# KartikPrabhu what is paprika?
# Loqi Paprika is an application (MacOSX) for creating an organizing recipes for making food https://indieweb.org/Paprika
# aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:paprika-recipe-ui.png]]""
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hRecipe" yet. Would you like to create it?
# aaronparecki.com edited /events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club (+62) "/* Portland */" (view diff)
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# KartikPrabhu should p-* properties not have any unicode characters?
# KartikPrabhu yeah not worried about HTML but about microformats consumers
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# tantek ah yes: "The "*" for root (and property) class names consists only of lowercase a-z and '-' characters. " bottom of http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parse_an_element_for_class_microformats
# tantek from http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing&action=history we can find "2016-02-29T00:55:19 Tantek (Talk | contribs | block) (15,017 bytes) (→parse an element for class microformats: a-z\- only)"
# tantek so looking at http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues instead (since it was an older issue)
# tantek searching for a-z I found http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#ignore_u-camelCase_properties
# tantek Zegnat, from that fragment link: Suit CSS and more frameworks mentioned in http://davidtheclark.com/on-utility-classes/
# @pixelroiber webmentions test, bitte nicht klicken http://pixelroiber.de/blog/16399 (twitter.com/_/status/823545599257673728)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "paywall" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "paid content" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi business models are ways to offer indieweb products and or services that users pay for both for their own benefit, and in support an open indie web https://indieweb.org/business-models
# tantek sebsel: do you use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLUF_(communication) in your writing?
# sebsel yeah I guess the problem with 'iceberg post' is that it's unrelated to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_Theory
# Loqi iceberg post is a post that has both a public and a private part, thus an example of Partial Page Privacy https://indieweb.org/iceberg_post
# tantek sebsel - perhaps consider updating /iceberg_post to be more about the writing style since that's prior art
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "summary post" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi A summary is short text that conveys a post's main point(s), or a plain text equivalent for kinds of posts like likes and RSVPs that use other properties to convey their meaning https://indieweb.org/summary
# Loqi A deleted is a post that has been removed https://indieweb.org/deleted
# sebsel this suggests the tombstoning: https://indieweb.org/deleted#Tombstoning
# tantek.com edited /Planning (+145) "/* NYC */ interested in co-organizing an IWC Brooklyn in particular. cc GWG" (view diff)
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# Zegnat Just reading. But sebsel’s current iceberg post implementation does not in any way remind me of a summary. It sounds like a private post type that you want to give an alternative public representation. But that alternative representation does not necessarily work as a summary of the actual private thing. E.g. he makes a private writing post (maybe
# Zegnat it’s a chapter of his next book) and he stores that on his server, but obviously does not want to show that. He still wants to have a post in his feed expressing he did some writing though. So he adds an alternative public part to his private post. He would not post an actual summary of the private thing.
# Zegnat Yes, tantek, I was just looking at the Known code: https://github.com/idno/Known/blob/5593071b3a792709f66cec0e425d70bd666c07c6/IdnoPlugins/Firefox/worker.js
# voxpelli If I wanted to mark up an h-feed with activities where I have sold things, updated things, wrote things, been lifting some weights, been cooking some food etc and just want to categorize them all like segnat now wanted to express his "write" activity – then it would be good not to create a thousands "u-<activity>-of" properties
# voxpelli tantek: have you seen that the Social API seems to be deprecated in the next Firefox version? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1289549
# voxpelli Speaking of sharing stuff through browsers, this looks very similar to webactions: https://twitter.com/Paul_Kinlan/status/823466675718733825
# @Paul_Kinlan I made a <share-button> web component. + stylable + native share + copy url + configurable share buttons test ? https://output.jsbin.com/lefoqo/3 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C22KKOMW8AAwrki.png (twitter.com/_/status/823466675718733825)
# Zegnat The way the Social API works I belief it is impossible to ever make the endpoint configurable, except on installation. Which instantly makes me throw Social API out of the window. WebExtensions I can query for the endpoint to use and everything, only authentication is a not-yet solved issue.
# tantek could you add that to /Social_API#Issues ?
# voxpelli looks at https://indieweb.org/posts and finds some brainstorming around post types like "p-<verb>" and "u-<verb>-of" that could just as well fit into a more generic "p-activity=<verb>" rather than have the activity verb be hidden away like that
# KevinMarks A post tracking words written is common for professional writers too. Jo Walton and Cory Doctorow both do them
# Loqi [Jo Walton (http://l-stat.livejournal.net/img/userinfo.gif?v=17080?v=144.4papersky) wrote,] Thud: Poor Relations
# tantek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3U - great: "There is no formal specification for the M3U format; it is a de facto standard." :(
# tantek then I'll just ask, what's the mp4 link for https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/822495850899374080 ?
# KevinMarks Otoh there is a formal standard for xspf but noöne uses it
# KevinMarks There are formal standards that use m3u
# tantek haha just found http://www.downloadtwittervideo.com/
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "repost with comment" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi A quotation is a type of post that is primarily a subset of the contents of another post, and often has a citation of that other post https://indieweb.org/quote
# KevinMarks Which cites Wikipedia for m3u
# tantek repost with comment is [[quotation#Secondary_brief_commentary]]
# loqi.me created /repost_with_comment (+49) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
# voxpelli Zegnat: well, eg. Twitter filters out likes and shows only a couple of them, so there's some filtering already – and just by having the full types of posts of Facebook, and even wider, we're past what Twitter has to deal with. Eg. how would Twitter handle bookmarks? We don't know, because they don't have to deal with it
# tantek.com edited /quotation (+371) "Quote entirety with commentary, specifically, POSSE tweet implications, quoted tweet" (view diff)
# tantek I'm interested in understanding this more: https://indieweb.org/quotation#Quote_entirety_with_commentary
# loqi.me created /lifestreaming (+119) "prompted by voxpelli and dfn added by voxpelli" (view diff)
# voxpelli all three could make sense for eg. shared links like https://voxpelli.com/links/
# tantek that's probably worth adding to /quotation#Brainstorming
# tantek hmm I found https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/504
# tantek.com edited /quotation (+18) "/* Quote entirety with commentary */ linky quote tweet" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /quotation (+82) "/* Quote entirety with commentary */ Bridgy Publish feature request" (view diff)
# KevinMarks That's like what medium does to post quotes to twitter
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