#dev 2017-02-11

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loqi.me created /repath (+127) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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gRegorLove what is path?
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Loqi Path is a content hosting silo for private sharing of information among a small (limit 150) group of friends https://indieweb.org/Path
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tantek what is Angular?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Angular" yet. Would you like to create it?_s
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tantek ok by me
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gRegorLove heh
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tantek what is Ember
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Loqi Ember.js (sometimes called just Ember) is a JavaScript framework that uses MVC (model view controller) in the browser (using Mustache as its templating language) https://indieweb.org/ember
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gRegorLove what is mustache?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mustache" yet. Would you like to create it?_t
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tantek what is a template?
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Loqi A template is a file used to generate a page https://indieweb.org/template
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tantek.com edited /framework (+460) "more examples, add Criticism with PPK talk and Holovaty blog / tweet thereof" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /framework (+13) "subhead JS" (view diff)
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tantek what is jquery
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Loqi jQuery is a popular JavaScript framework https://indieweb.org/jQuery
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tantek.com edited /framework (+7) "/* Examples */ jQuery" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Ember (+1) "--r" (view diff)
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tantek what is Mustache?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Mustache" yet. Would you like to create it?_v
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tantek what is MVC?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "MVC" yet. Would you like to create it?_w
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tantek.com edited /Ember.js (+8) "linky a couple of terms that need expansion / definition" (view diff)
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tantek what is Ember?
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Loqi Ember.js (sometimes called just Ember) is a JavaScript framework that uses MVC (model view controller) in the browser (using Mustache as its templating language) https://indieweb.org/ember
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tantek what is a PWA?
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Loqi Progressive Web App is a web site that a client can progressively enhance into a standalone app that's comparable with a native app https://indieweb.org/PWA
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tantek.com edited /pushups (+488) "note series of posts for prev indieweb examples, add a proto-pushup example as note" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /pushups (+172) "another example post, with multiple sets" (view diff)
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tantek Twitter wants to translate my 100pushups post "from Haitian Creole" WTF
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tantek does anyone else see that? https://twitter.com/t/status/830226537475616769
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@t #100DoPP d22: ✅ #100pushupchallenge week 4: M:21/25/21/21/40 W:25/30/25/25/42 F:29/33/29/29/42 http://hundredpushups.com/week4.html (ttk.me t4mn1) (twitter.com/_/status/830226537475616769)
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tantek lol: https://twitter.com/junglecode/status/830231698969202688
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@junglecode @t twitter thinks your tweets are Haitian Creole? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4WTGcuUEAAA7Xe.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/830231698969202688)
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gregorlove.com edited /domain_name_registrar (+4) "/* Registrars */ Name.com wiki link" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /Name.com (+125) "stub" (view diff)
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gRegorLove what is name.com
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Loqi Name.com is a domain name registrar and web host https://indieweb.org/Name.com
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tantek what is a domain name registrar?
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Loqi A domain name registrar is an organization that will register domain names for you typically for an annual fee https://indieweb.org/domain_name_registrar
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tantek what is a web host?
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Loqi Web hosting can be the primary regular cost in maintaining an IndieWeb site; this page lists several options from free on up depending on your publishing needs, like a static, shared, private, or dedicated server https://indieweb.org/web_host
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tantek yay!
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Loqi giggles
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gregorlove.com edited /web_hosting (-5) "/* Shared Hosting */ +Name.com" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /domain_name_registrar (+17) "/* Registrars */ whois privacy protection price increase, noted date" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Haha, look what I came across while searching Feedly's support: https://feedly.uservoice.com/forums/192636-suggestions/suggestions/10585743-review-the-atom-spec-per-tantek-%C3%87elik
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Loqi ahahaha
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gregorlove.com edited /Feedly (+527) "/* Issues */ Collapsed whitespace around HTML, placeholders for screenshots" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Feedly-collapsed-whitespace1-2017-02-10.png]]""
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Feedly-collapsed-whitespace2-2017-02-10.png]]""
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gregorlove.com edited /Feedly (+4) "/* Collapsed whitespace around HTML */" (view diff)
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sebsel I'm trying to do some IndieAuth login thing on my site
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sebsel https://indieauth.com/developers < following this, I setup a redirect_uri, which is set to /auth in the example
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sebsel I would like the visitor to return to the (private) post where they started logging in
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sebsel should I use that, and let every page accept ?code=xx ?
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aaronpk Use a secondary redirect
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sebsel yeah, but how does /auth know the page?
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aaronpk cookie?
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sebsel hm, yeah, cookie
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aaronpk encode it in the state
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[keithjgrant] @voxpelli are you on?
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voxpelli [keithjgrant]: yes :)
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[keithjgrant] I'm trying to test micropub-to-github integration with those filename changes you made to format-microformat
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voxpelli sebsel: aaronpk: redirect state in cookie? wouldn't that share state between many different tabs/windows?
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aaronpk yeah that's why using the state parameter might be better
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voxpelli [keithjgrant]: ok, what problem are you having? I haven't published a new version yet, so it won't work out ot the box right now
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[keithjgrant] Changes I made are here: https://github.com/keithjgrant/webpage-micropub-to-github/commits/master
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[keithjgrant] I changed package.json to link directly to the repository
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voxpelli right, so it's the fact that I haven't published the version :) You can change the package.json to point the version to "voxpelli/node-format-microformat#master" instead I believe, and it will pick the latest master
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voxpelli ok
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[keithjgrant] in Heroku Settings, I set MICROPUB_FILENAME_STYLE = /notes/:year/:month/:slug and MICROPUB_PERMALINK_STYLE = /notes/:year/:month/:slug
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[keithjgrant] but Quill still redirects me to the default url path... so I'm not sure I'm using Heroku correctly
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sebsel aaronpk voxpelli: but I need the state *and* a cookie, right? seblog.nl/auth also can't know the state otherwise.
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aaronpk you can encode data int the state parameter using JWT or similar. otherwise yeah a cookie is a common way of doing it
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voxpelli [keithjgrant]: maybe turn off autoconfiguration and see if that works? MICROPUB_OPTION_NO_AUTO_CONFIGURE
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voxpelli autoconfiguration looks at the Jekyll configuration to configure permalinks
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[keithjgrant] ok. Set that to 'true' ?
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voxpelli true, 1 or something similar :)
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[keithjgrant] In Heroku, do I need to redeploy after making config changes?
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sebsel aaronpk but /auth has to send the 'state' parameter to IndieAuth in order to get a response? So I need to store it in a cookie? It's not like an extra 'info' field that gets send along, right?
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voxpelli [keithjgrant]: it restarts the service automatically
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sebsel it's all in all more of a puzzle than I expected :)
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aaronpk sebsel: the state comes back from the authorization server
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sebsel checks the requests and responses again
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[keithjgrant] No change ?
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voxpelli sebsel: I think this is it: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749#section-4.1.1
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voxpelli [keithjgrant]: ok, weird, maybe add some console.log() in there and see if the permalink_style is actually sent in correctly?
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[keithjgrant] where can I view the log?
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voxpelli [keithjgrant]: if you have the Heroku CLI tools installed, then "heroku logs --tail" is a good one, but you can also view them through Heroku.com
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sebsel okay, I totally missed that we return to /auth?code=xx&state=hi :') thanks!
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voxpelli [keithjgrant]: https://cl.ly/2q2V0t0y1Z0S
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[keithjgrant] cool, thanks. signing off for a bit, but I'll keep poking
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sebsel aaronpk does IndieAuth abstract from https and ending in a /?
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aaronpk indieauth.com? and what do you mean exactly?
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sebsel Ah yeah, .com indeed. And I mean: if I whitelist people, do I have to check that list for variants like https://seblog.nl, http://seblog.nl/ etc?
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Loqi Sebastiaan Andeweg h
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aaronpk i believe indieauth.com won't modify whatever the user types in
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aaronpk so if they enter "http://seblog.nl/" to start with, that's what will be returned, as long as they have any appropriate redirects in place of course
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Loqi Sebastiaan Andeweg h
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sebsel hm, that means I would have to check variants if I want to give that option.
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aaronpk i think it adds the root slash if no slash was present, since it's not a full URL otherwise
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sebsel it seems like it does that, because I didn't type it.
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aaronpk but it will return http if the user typed http, and https if the user typed https
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sebsel and www. if the user typed that. but that's a different story I guess.
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aaronpk yeah that's a whole different domain
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loqi.me created /Now (+65) "prompted by lukasros and dfn added by lukasros" (view diff)
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sebsel https://seblog.nl/2017/02/11/3/day-27-private-posts :)
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] Day 27: private posts
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sebsel and a test post: https://seblog.nl/2017/02/11/2
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aaronpk ooh
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Zegnat test post looks awesome!
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sebsel :D
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tantek.com edited /link-preview (+1065) "expand how to for publishing and parsing" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /selfoss (+95) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /reader (-78) "link to [[selfoss]]" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /feed_reader (-23) "/* Examples */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /selfoss (+49) "see also" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Now (+90) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Now (+17) "tantek added "[[Google Now]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Nice sebsel - I was able to login in the web view inside slack
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sebsel oh nice!
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sebsel well in the end it's just IndieAuth.com!
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loqi.me created /privacy_policy (+184) "prompted by sebsel and dfn added by sebsel" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /privacy (+21) "sebsel added "[[privacy policy]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /privacy_policy (+31) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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KevinMarks Yes, that's more that webviews have got better recently, but still encouraging
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seblog.nl edited /privacy (+4) "linky privacy policy" (view diff)
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sebsel well, it took some time to redirect to the right page after login, so if that's smooth I did a good job :)
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KevinMarks So would I be cookied now if I try again?
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KevinMarks Yes, that works
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sebsel I use a session yes, and that uses a cookie.
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sebsel there's a logout in the upper right corner :)
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seblog.nl edited /privacy_policy (-192) "redirect to disclosure" (view diff)
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KevinMarks This thread seems relevant https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/830088946235297792
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@kevinmarks A challenge is that we have been working on public tools more than private ones @IdentityWoman @benwerd @girlziplocked @evanpro (twitter.com/_/status/830088946235297792)
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sebsel this is not #dev anymore, but yeah, that is a thing.
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sebsel I intend to extend my private post stuff a bit in the coming 100days (74 left?), but that's still just getting to the level where aaronpk &co already where a few years ago
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aaronpk i did lose that functionality with my new site
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sebsel oh! okay
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aaronpk i have private posts via webmention right now, but you can't log in to my site
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sebsel I was thinking about detecting wether a URL starts with twitter.com, and then do a oauth with twitter for access, so my silofriends can join in too.
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aaronpk yeah good idea
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sebsel IndieAuth does not work the other way, right? entering your twitter and login with Github :P
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aaronpk that does actually work
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aaronpk lol
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sebsel tries
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aaronpk if you link your twitter to your github and vice versa
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sebsel yeah, I get a t.co/CaFScuyhGi > This is not a supported authentication provider.
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aaronpk oh, it doesn't follow the redirects at that step yeah.
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aaronpk it should work with entering your github then
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sebsel that does! it finds seblog.nl
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sebsel still no support, but yeah
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aaronpk right but if your github points to your twitter account then you can log in :)
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sebsel oh, yeah and twitter has to link back to github ofcourse...
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sebsel edit all the rel=me's
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sebsel also: you have to do multiple password things to change a e-mail
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sebsel but urls... all ok.
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sebsel yep, this works
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sebsel but you can't login with twitter if the profile is ON twitter.
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sebsel twitter does not link to itself.
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sebsel not sure if you want that... it makes IndieAuth just a wrapper for twitter OAuth, I guess.
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sebsel but if it checks itself, I can just add a 'twitter' button that fills the form with https://twitter.com/ and that's it.
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aaronpk i'm not sure i want to change indieauth.com to do that
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sebsel I was afraid so :) I will try and make my own twitter-thing. Might be more trusted too.
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sebsel 'seblog.nl want access to: your PMs'
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tantek KevinMarks: meh. private tools handwringing round n of m. (yawn)
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tantek looks into a couple of references
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tantek What is SpiderOak?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SpiderOak" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek SpiderOak is http://spideroak.com https://twitter.com/SpiderOak which claims to be a "confidential cloud" with "end-to-end encrypted backup, group chat, file sharing".
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /SpiderOak (+199) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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KevinMarks You can use silo.pub to login with Twitter
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KevinMarks Also bridges micropub
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KevinMarks That should already work, but you can probably make it more transparent with redirects
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tantek what is Semaphor?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Semaphor" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KevinMarks !tell sebsel look at silo.pub for twitter login
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next