#dev 2017-02-24

2017-02-24 UTC
singpoly1a, KevinMarks, [acegiak_net], KartikPrabhu, gRegorLove, mblaney, loicm_, cweiske, j4y_funabashi and marcthiele joined the channel
#
kupad.net created /User:Kupad.net (+16) "Created page with "http://kupad.net"" (view diff)
marcthiele joined the channel
#
petermolnar licence question: pandoc is GPL licence, pypandoc, a wapper around it is MIT - is that allowed?
#
petermolnar btw, this is useful: https://github.com/briandailey/python-packages-license-check
#
petermolnar and the output is.. well... a mess
#
justonestep.de edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Guest_List (+269) (view diff)
#
justonestep.de edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Guest_List (-8) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
#
justonestep.de edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Guest_List (+0) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
#
justonestep.de edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Guest_List (+3) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
#
Zegnat petermolnar: I think it is allowed as long as pypandoc does not ship with pandoc? Pandoc would have needed to be LGPL for it to be shipped inside non-GPL licensed packages, I think.
#
Zegnat I don’t think “if you have GPL licensed package X on your system, then non-GPL licensed package Y will use it” is a breach of GPL.
#
Zegnat IANAL, IANYL, etc.etc.
marcthiele joined the channel
#
petermolnar that's what I've been thinking as well
#
petermolnar (I still need to licence my stuff GPL due to other packages, like pyexifinfo)
#
jkphl.is edited /Events (+12) "/* May */" (view diff)
#
Zegnat I am not a GPL fan.
#
Zegnat That does remind me, I wanted to open a global issue for the indieweb GitHub org somewhere regarding licensing.
#
Zegnat puts that on the list of stuff to do today
#
petermolnar in certain terms, I am. someone summarized it quite well: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/wordpress-and-wix-trade-shots-over-alleged-theft-of-open-source-code/?comments=1&post=32172559
#
petermolnar 'GPL is viral on purpose. When applied to a module or a library, it's as much a license as a political statement saying "we think software should be free - here is a piece of code, if you want to use it in your own software, you need to make it free".'
#
petermolnar (I know this is a little offtopic, but I think still relevant to -dev)
#
Zegnat I like that summary. And just like with other political statements, they are an expression of personal opinions and hard to argue about ;) My own view is that stuff I want to make available for free use isn’t truly free under GPL. Thus I prefer MIT/BSD style licenses, or even public domain dedications (CC0 / Unlicensed / SQLite-style).
#
petermolnar and you are quite correct with that opinion; truly free is you can do whatever you want with it, no questions asked
#
petermolnar this is why so many, formerly Free Software started to use the word "Libre" instead
#
petermolnar which is a better term
#
petermolnar (RMS refuses to accept this though)
#
Zegnat GPL is about spreading the concept of Free. All derivatives must be as Free as the source. But of course that is then forcing a limitation (being Free) onto those derivatives. This limitation is a non-issue in a world where Free is the de facto (obviously RMS’ goal). The world hasn’t changed to that standard yet and I would rather not force the wor
#
Zegnat ld to change by putting limitations in place either. Others would like to help the de facto change come along and promote GPL. Both views are fine, just political.
ben_thatmustbeme joined the channel
#
GWG Morning
#
Loqi rise and shine!
#
jkphl.is edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Guest_List (+559) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
#
www.svenknebel.de edited /Main_Page (+227) "/* Upcoming IndieWebCamps */ link Düsseldorf on front page" (view diff)
marcthiele joined the channel
#
aaronpk j4y_funabashi: try adding a "p-name" class next to your "e-content". that should help the link preview
#
aaronpk my reply context is tripping up on your post right now because it's using the implied name rule which includes a bunch of junk around the post content
marcthiele joined the channel
#
j4y_funabashi aaronpk: like this <div class="p-name e-content"><p>Winter is coming</p></div> ??
#
aaronpk yep
#
aaronpk that will make sure the "name" and "content" values are the same
#
aaronpk which then get de-duped by consumers
#
j4y_funabashi https://j4y.co/p/20161229113947_5864f603d0288
#
Loqi Winter is coming https://media.j4y.co/resized/600/2016/dd203fca-b131-4ebb-9fe7-53fea5abb375.jpg
#
j4y_funabashi nice, thanks aaronpk
#
aaronpk yay
#
Loqi ?
#
aaronpk next step is to get your author information in there
#
j4y_funabashi yeah, I thought that might be why Loqi didnt pick up before
#
aaronpk hmm i think i have a new case to add to XRay
#
j4y_funabashi oh yeah?
#
aaronpk well if you add <a href="/" class="u-author"></a> inside your h-entry (adding an invisible link to your home page as the author URL) then XRay *should* find your home page h-card and use that as the author
#
aaronparecki.com edited /authorship (+902) "question about finding author h-card" (view diff)
#
aaronpk tinbox << https://indieweb.org/authorship#Questions
#
loqi.me edited /tinbox (+44) "aaronpk added "https://indieweb.org/authorship#Questions" to "See Also"" (view diff)
#
Loqi ok, I added "https://indieweb.org/authorship#Questions" to the "See Also" section of /tinbox
#
aaronpk j4y_funabashi: the problem is right now XRay doesn't recognize your home page h-card because it's the author of the h-feed. This seems correct on your side, so I might have to fix XRay to catch that.
#
j4y_funabashi aaronpk: Hang on, it could also be because my homepage feed h-card u-url is http, not https
#
aaronpk ooh
#
aaronpk i didn't notice that
#
aaronpk yep definitely fix that either way
#
webgefrickel.de edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Guest_List (+305) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
#
j4y_funabashi ok have fixed that
#
aaronpk yeah still didn't find it
#
j4y_funabashi yeah I still need to add p-author to the permalink page
#
aaronpk i was doing that manually :)
#
aaronpk i've opened an issue on XRay. I'm going to wait for tantek's feedback on my question but I suspect my assumption is correct https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/issues/32
#
j4y_funabashi aaronpk: happy to have provided an edge case :)
#
j4y_funabashi aaronpk: if I change my permalink page to this would that be ok? or does the hcard have to be the pauthor? http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20170224150326455
#
aaronpk looking for the change
#
aaronpk did you add your h-card to the footer?
#
j4y_funabashi yeah
#
aaronpk that works too! and saves me an HTTP request. couple things
#
aaronpk change "p-author h-card" to "h-card" because the p-author isn't doing anything there because it's not inside another mf2 object
#
aaronpk and it would make it more explicit for consumers if there was an "author" property on the h-entry, so adding that invisible link like I mentioned before would still be good
marcthiele joined the channel
#
aaronpk i believe XRay has a test case to match this, but it's somewhat ambiguous since there are two top-level h-* objects and no direct relationship between them
#
aaronpk aaaand found another XRay bug https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/issues/33
#
aaronpk which i thought i had already addressed, but must be missing in one spot
#
j4y_funabashi aah yes, that one always bites me too
#
j4y_funabashi Think I might just bite the bullet and go the explicit route of having a p-author.h-card inside the h-entry
#
aaronpk don't feel like you need to
#
j4y_funabashi aaronpk: I'll add it to the list, I want to finish re enabling webmentions first
#
@aaronpk @johnonolan @stefanbc @teabass I have a pretty good idea! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ All the comments on my site are received via Webmention! (twitter.com/_/status/835187712760004609)
#
@JohnONolan @aaronpk are you involved w/ the webmention/vouch working groups? (twitter.com/_/status/835192747292139521)
#
@aaronpk @johnonolan Yep! I'm the editor of the Webmention spec at the W3C group. We're working on some fun stuff over there! (twitter.com/_/status/835193026624434176)
gRegorLove joined the channel
#
aaronpk other than Micropublish, are there really no other Micropub clients that query for a post's content when editing?
#
bear that's on my todo list but lacking a GUI makes it hard for me to implement that feature :/
#
aaronpk Yeah there isn't much point in it without a GUI
#
Zegnat Alright, I tried to create a centralised issue for licensing of projects in the IndieWeb GitHub organisation. If people would please take a look and comment, that would save me the time of going through all the repos and @-mentioning all contributors: https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/39
#
Zegnat Also, the CC0 / OWFa 1.0 dual-licensing made me frown, aaronpk. Can you elaborate on that?
#
martymcguire[m] hey folks. looking through the draft of This Week in the IndieWeb for the audio edition. just noticed this note about IndieAuth and seeing aaronpk's avatar when authenticating with GitHub:
#
martymcguire[m] https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=IndieAuth&action=historysubmit&diff=34142&oldid=32712
#
martymcguire[m] i think that was resolved?
#
martymcguire[m] oh, why am i asking when i could just test it out.
#
martymcguire[m] ok, confirmed that the IndieAuth logo is what appears, now. going to revert that wiki edit so it is not mentioned anymore.
#
martymcguire[m] what are media fragments?
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "media fragments" yet. Would you like to create it?
#
martymcguire[m] what is a media fragment?
#
Loqi media fragment is a way of linking to a part of a longer media file https://indieweb.org/media_fragment
#
martymcguire[m] media fragment << https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/19/4/day-61-media-fragments
#
Loqi ok, I added "https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/19/4/day-61-media-fragments" to the "See Also" section of /media fragment
#
loqi.me edited /media_fragment (+63) "martymcguire[m] added "https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/19/4/day-61-media-fragments" to "See Also"" (view diff)
#
Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Day 61: Supporting Media Fragment URIs for Video and Audio #100DaysOfIndieWeb
#
aaronpk Oh yeah thanks, I forgot to update the wiki after I fixed that
KevinMarks joined the channel
#
martymcgui.re edited /Vimeo (+164) "/* See Also */ DMCA issue apparently resolved" (view diff)
KevinMarks_ joined the channel
#
martymcgui.re edited /deviantART (+49) "/* See Also */ note out of date discussion. am i helping? i don't know." (view diff)
#
gregorlove.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "next" (view diff)
#
gregorlove.com edited /Main_Page (+1) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ +03/22" (view diff)
#
gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (-11) "/* US West */ Bellingham" (view diff)
KartikPrabhu joined the channel
#
gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (-20) "/* Bellingham WA */ event links, rsvp" (view diff)
#
gregorlove.com edited /Events (+718) "/* 2017 */ +2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club" (view diff)
miklb joined the channel
#
aaronparecki.com edited /Events (+776) "add pdx on 3/1" (view diff)
singpoly1a and miklb joined the channel