#dev 2017-03-06

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KevinMarks_ Adactio had a nice variant in his book, where highlighting changed the url in the address bar
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KartikPrabhu adactio's variant didnot handle funny wihtespace stuffs that I fxed in my version
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KartikPrabhu see: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-non-break-spaces-fragmention-fix
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] So there are a bunch of things going on with fragmentions and non-break spaces * fragmention.js replaces all whitespaces by a normal space while searching for text https://github.com/chapmanu/fragmentions/commit/05a8200296aa78de1f9ed84c4801f5d8c42b1...
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KevinMarks_ https://resilientwebdesign.com
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aaronpk naming things is hard
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aaronparecki.com edited /User:Aaronparecki.com (+752) "/* itching */ need to rename things" (view diff)
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/User:Aaronparecki.com#projects_that_need_to_be_renamed
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KevinMarks_ Also webmention.herokuapp.com needs a name
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aaronparecki.com edited /User:Aaronparecki.com (+27) "/* working on */ +WebSub" (view diff)
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aaronpk yes also that
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KartikPrabhu what is telegraph?
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Loqi Telegraph is an open source API and service for sending webmentions, part of the p3k suite https://indieweb.org/Telegraph
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aaronpk maybe i should make telegraph also handle receiving?
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aaronpk telegraph is a good name
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KartikPrabhu yeah I was thinking the same
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KartikPrabhu telegraphs work both ways :)
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KartikPrabhu mine is called "Connection"
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KartikPrabhu it does webmentions (both ways) and also mf parsing
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aaronpk only potential problem is telegraph and webmention.io are written in different languages!
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KartikPrabhu woah!!
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aaronpk telegraph is PHP, webmention.io is ruby
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KartikPrabhu has trouble with one language!
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aaronpk tho most of the work of webmention.io is background processing so i could maybe combine them, have the PHP code queue up the webmention processing and keep the existing processing happening in Ruby
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aaronpk that sounds slightly easier than rewriting everything
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KartikPrabhu true
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aaronpk although... webmention.io does call XRay to do the microformats parsing ?
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aaronpk XRay is php
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KartikPrabhu haha!
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: lol
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: what lanaguage do you speak?
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aaronpk Loqi is a combination of Ruby and PHP lol
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aaronpk yeah i think i'm gonna merge these
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KartikPrabhu :thumbsup:
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GWG I feel like I should keep my can of worms open at all times
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aaronpk speaking of cans of worms, I sure opened a big one today
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GWG aaronpk, I feel that way all the time
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+220) "rephrase intro" (view diff)
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GWG I remember I opened up a can of worms the first Indiewebcamp I attended. I showed tantek something, and it sparked a debate.
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KevinMarks_ Known sending all webmentions and posse posts synchronously makes it feel slow
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: that is my constant worry about releasing a simplified version of p3k
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aaronpk doing it async is the only way to make it not sluggish, but that opens up a bunch of challenges on how to actually do that on shared hosting
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KevinMarks_ Right, with php hosting. With node it would make more sense to be async
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aaronpk i said "simplified" lol
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aaronpk nothing about releasing a node project would be simplified compared to php :P
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KevinMarks_ Right, unless you can assume Heroku or other stable hosting framework
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+220) "clarifications in summary" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /webmention-implementation-guide (+384) "move test tools to implementation page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention () "(-928) move test tools to implementation page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:seblog-webmention-comment.png "https://seblog.nl/2017/02/16/2/day-32-new-repost-policy"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:kryogenix-webmention-comment-display.png "https://www.kryogenix.org/days/2017/02/24/a-standard-password-change-api/"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:jeena.net-webmention-comments-display.png "https://jeena.net/notes/808"
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+440) "add some screenshots of displaying webmention comments" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:kartikprabhu-fragmention-display.png "https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/marginalia"
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+103) "/* Kartik Prabhu with kartikprabhu.com */ add screenshot" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:aaronparecki-webmention-display.png "https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/27/4/day-69-editing-in-quill"
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+93) "/* Aaron Parecki with p3k */ add screenshot" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+2) "add linebreaks to intro paragraph" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:waterpigs-webmention-display.png "https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4n2Kp2/"
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+115) "/* Barnaby Walters with Taproot */ add screenshot" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:barryfrost-webmention-display.png "https://barryfrost.com/2016/06/i-would-love-the-option-to"
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+113) "/* Barry Frost with barryfrost.com */ add screenshot" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:adactio-webmention-display.png "https://adactio.com/journal/6495/"
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+86) "/* Jeremy Keith with adactio.com */ add screenshot" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+23) "/* Resources */ collapse headers since the only content under the header was a link" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+297) "/* Articles */ add some blockquotes" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (-49) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (-343) "/* Wish List */ move wish list item to [[webmention.io]]" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /webmention.io (+331) "move wishlist item from [[Webmention]] since it applied to webmention.io" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /webmention.io (+90) (view diff)
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pfefferle good morning
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GWG Good morning, pfefferle. How goes the struggle?
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pfefferle curious about your upcoming changes :=
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pfefferle :)
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GWG pfefferle: How so? The next one I wanted to look at was the one reported by techlifeweb. The fact that WordPress now closes pings by default for pages, and for custom post types unless they declare trackback support.
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GWG pfefferle: Is the act of installing the webmentions plugin suggesting they want things open by default?
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pfefferle GWG really?
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petermolnar wp closing pings on non-posts? interesting move
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GWG https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/119
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pfefferle GWG then we have to add our own settings for WebMentions, finally...
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GWG Read the second to last note.
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GWG pfefferle, I intend to try to come up with a hybrid approach
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pfefferle GWG ???
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GWG I am thinking about the best way to work with what they changed
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GWG Should custom post types have to expressly declare Webmention support?
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pfefferle GWG I would think so
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GWG pfefferle, then expect a PR for the feature soon
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pfefferle or at least a way to disable them via settings
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GWG pfefferle, likely it will require the custom post type to be set as supporting.
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GWG It can be noted in the readme
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pfefferle GWG perhaps we can add a unit test for the fragmentions URLs ?!?
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pfefferle GWG sorry, context switch ;)
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GWG pfefferle, that was mostly what I was thinking with the issue I filed. Make sure that it works for sending and receiving. Unit test fits that.
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GWG I'd like it to also recognize it as one, but that is simply a matter of adding a is_fragmention function.
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pfefferle or to store the fragment in an extra field
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[eddie] Hey voxpelli, have you done much complicated stuff with YAML in Jekyll? My current blockade is actually that for some reason my YAML for the first 3 posts work, but the 4th-20th suddenly don’t work. I’m basically trying to create an array of syndication objects (name, url). But I think I must have hit some strange abnormality in YAML
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singpoly1a [eddie]: I have done some pretty weird stuff with jekyll. what does your yaml look like?
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voxpelli I'm no YAML-master :/
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[eddie] No worries voxpelli ? Thanks singpoly1a, It looks like this:
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[eddie] syndication:
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[eddie] - name: Twitter
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[eddie] url: https://twitter.com/EddieHinkle/status/816520653310488576
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[eddie] - name: Instagram
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@EddieHinkle 003/365: Enjoyed a Gotham Binge with Ash, as we try to catch up on this season of Gotham. … http://ift.tt/2hQMwqq https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1TdNNhWgAEK0ZD.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/816520653310488576)
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[eddie] url: https://www.instagram.com/p/BO1L_o7AYNx/
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[eddie] - name: Facebook
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[eddie] url: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102135396939406&set=a.10102131355967546.1073741838.19506647
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] 003/365: Enjoyed a Gotham Binge with Ash, as we try to catch up on this season of Gotham. ? #Eddie365 #Day3 https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/15403375_238099039948675_581417857527578624_n.jpg
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[eddie] oops bad Loqi
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[eddie] syndication:
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[eddie] - name: Twitter
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[eddie] - name: Instagram
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[eddie] url: <instagramUrl>
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[eddie] url: <TweetUrl>
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[eddie] - name: Facebook
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[eddie] url: <facebookUrl>
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[eddie] I also have tried with quotes around the Url value
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singpoly1a and what's it doing?
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singpoly1a that yaml looks pretty simple :) I expect an issue in the Liquid or similar
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[eddie] It’s odd. For the first three, it prints them out on the template correctly. Then for 4-7 it doesn’t present an error but it doesn’t appear in the page. Finally the 8th entry presents this error: "Error: could not read file "Development/personal/eddie-personal/_source/_note/images/2017-01-08-day-8.md: (<unknown>): mapping values are not allowed in this context at line 15 column 6"
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[eddie] Which lines up to the url: <facebookUrl> line
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singpoly1a Liquid in default config never errors, it just prints nothing or similarly useless/confusing behaviour :P
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[eddie] ohhhhh
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singpoly1a put your liquid in a pastebin?
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[eddie] haha
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Loqi hehe
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singpoly1a you can also put something like {{ page.syndication | json }} into the page to see what the YAML is parsing as, in case there's an indentation issue or something
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[eddie] http://pastebin.com/mFJRpFQ7
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[eddie] Ohhh, that’s interesting and good to know.
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singpoly1a so you see no markup in page for 4-7 ? or you see the tags, but they're empty?
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singpoly1a I'm beginning to suspect indentation maybe
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[eddie] All i get is: <footer class="">
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[eddie] </footer>
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[eddie] Syndicated:
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singpoly1a oh, so you don't get any of it at all
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singpoly1a and the syndication key is top-level in the frontmatter for this pagge?
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tantek.com edited /data-portability (+933) "add a start to a formats section with reasoning." (view diff)
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[eddie] Yep
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[eddie] no indent on syndication key
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singpoly1a when do you get with {{ page.syndication | json }} or even just {{ page.syndication }} ?
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[eddie] This is with page.syndication | json:
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[eddie] <footer class="">
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[eddie] Syndicated:
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[eddie] </footer>
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[eddie] -&nbsp;name:&nbsp;Twitter url:&nbsp;https://twitter.com/EddieHinkle/status/816801224766918657 -&nbsp;name:&nbsp;Instagram url:&nbsp;https://www.instagram.com/p/BO3MDIhAT7f/ -&nbsp;name:&nbsp;Facebook url:&nbsp;https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102136767762266&amp;set=a.10102131355967546.1073741838.19506647
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@EddieHinkle Still working on unpacking my office boxes ? at the new Townhome ? #Eddie365 #DayFour http://ift.tt/2jblBaX https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1XcYmBW8AE3O-J.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/816801224766918657)
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singpoly1a ok, so something is very wrong
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singpoly1a page.syndication seems to contain just the raw string instead of the parsed yaml...
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[eddie] Well I’m glad to know I’m not going crazy. lol
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tantek.com edited /Foursquare (+323) "History, launch, prior efforts" (view diff)
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singpoly1a can you just pastebin your whole file? redact anything private
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[eddie] Sure
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tantek.com edited /export (+78) "move see also to silos since that's what they all are, add new See Also to data portability" (view diff)
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[eddie] http://pastebin.com/0jr5jTvK
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[eddie] huh strange, in my editor it shows the indentation properly, but when I pasted it into pastebin, the twitter name indentation has an issue
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singpoly1a tabs vs spaces?
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[eddie] I have my project set as spaces and I tried a “convert indentation to spaces” function in VS Code so it should be spaces
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loqi.me created /WordPress_export (+199) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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[eddie] Well at least I know what’s going on with it then. There’s something funky with the indentation/spaces in my files
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[eddie] Thanks!
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tantek.com edited /export (+141) "explicitly note indieweb examples, CMS support" (view diff)
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[eddie] does YAML require specific spacing? 1 space vs 2 space? as long as they are all even
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loqi.me edited /data-portability (+99) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /export (+41) "/* Silos */ iMessage" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /data-portability (+13) "tantek added "[[export]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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sknebel [eddie]: I think it doesn't care. just don't use tabs
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[eddie] :thumbsup: My IDE must have been doing something weird and not respecting my convert tabs to spaces requirement. I tried it with 1 space and removed the `and page.syndication.length > 0` and now it works
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[eddie] Thanks!!
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[eddie] singpoly1a++
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Loqi singpoly1a has 1 karma
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[eddie] sknebel++
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singpoly1a [eddie]: YAML does unfortunaly ban tabs. 2 or 4 spaces is common, but not required
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aaronpk Heh I always thought it was strictly 2 spaces. Guess I've never actually read the spec
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sknebel what's also a bit confusing is that some of the prefix characters (e.g. - for lists, where it doesn't really matter, but there are others) also count as spaces, with the goal that the *content* is aligned, not the markup for the structure. clever on one hand, annoying with editors sometimes
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sknebel aaronpk: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-03-06/1488814409003000 shouldn't that be emojified?
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Loqi [[eddie]] :thumbsup: My IDE must have been doing something weird and not respecting my convert tabs to spaces requirement. I tried it with 1 space and removed the `and page.syndication.length > 0` and now it works...
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[eddie] For anyone who uses YAML and VisualStudio Code, best thing ever: “View -> Toggle Render Whitespace"
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aaronpk huh Slack used to send +1 for that
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aaronpk maybe my lookup isn't taking aliases into account
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[eddie] Yeah +1 and :thumbsup: are the same thing. But if you put : slack starts an autocomplete emoji look up. So me (and others) tend toward using shortcodes that start with the colons for ease of use
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www.svenknebel.de edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (+14) "/* Berlin */ $me" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (+16) "/* US East */ Apparently no Scranton this week" (view diff)
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tantek hey all you smart indieweb devs
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tantek this is finally up! (as of 15 min ago?)
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tantek https://twitter.com/osbridge/status/838783850964783104
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@osbridge Want to speak at @osbridge this year? We'd love to have you! Our Call for Proposals is now open: http://ow.ly/wEDl309BHwS (twitter.com/_/status/838783850964783104)
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aaronpk oh!
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aaronpk darn, audio from last year's talks isn't online yet
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aaronpk if i do another talk this year, i'm bringing my own lav mic this time
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tantek seriously
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (+33) "/* San Francisco */ indie event and FB copy" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (+76) "/* West Europe */ Cancel the Netherlands." (view diff)
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tantek !tell gRegorLove if the latest HWC pages (either this week or last week or the week before) look good to you, go ahead and clone for 2017-03-22 and April too
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek good morning gRegorLove
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aaronpk oh nuts, Clef is shutting down
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aaronpk https://blog.getclef.com/discontinuing-support-for-clef-6c89febef5f3
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gRegorLove What is Clef?
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 27 minutes ago: if the latest HWC pages (either this week or last week or the week before) look good to you, go ahead and clone for 2017-03-22 and April too
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Loqi Clef is an application that enables websites to authenticate users without passwords https://indieweb.org/Clef
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aaronpk i added Clef support to indieauth.com a while ago
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gRegorLove Oh yeah, I remember. Bummer. :/
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sknebel hm, on their current website the only "get started" like options are labelled "$1000/mo" and "call us" ?
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gregorlove.com edited /Clef (+180) "shutdown now, see also: site-deaths" (view diff)
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gRegorLove s/now/note/
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aaronpk https://getclef.com/developer/ still has "start an integration"
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k_naming_convention (+117) "/* Components of p3k */" (view diff)
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aaronpk what is Atlas?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Atlas" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk Atlas is a set of APIs for looking up information about locations, including a timezone lookup, finding the name of a city given a latitude/longitude, finding the current weather at a location, and generating static maps. Atlas is part of [[p3k]].
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Atlas (+279) "prompted by aaronpk and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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aaronpk Atlas << https://github.com/aaronpk/Atlas
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loqi.me edited /Atlas (+52) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/aaronpk/Atlas" to the "See Also" section of /Atlas
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+22) "archived Persona" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh gosh is persona totally gone now?
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sknebel yeah, shut down in november as was announced I think?
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gRegorLove Yep. Just confirmed: login.persona.org
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+36) "archived TiddlySpace" (view diff)
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aaronpk at least with persona, the identity was your email address so people can implement fallback methods, like emailing a login token
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gRegorLove Do acquisitions count as site-deaths? OpenStudy is listed, but was acquired: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/openstudy#/entity
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gRegorLove Not familiar with either service
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aaronpk did something get shut down? did people lose data?
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gRegorLove No idea. I'll leave it.
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+120) "archived OpenStudy, noted acquisition/unclear if data lost" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+71) "/* TiddlySpace */ open source, github link" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+483) "/* Upcoming */ +Clef" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com (+145) "/* Interests */ read/read later improvements" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /messaging (+80) "aaronpk added "https://www.wired.com/2016/06/hey-stop-using-texts-two-factor-authentication/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: messages?
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tantek dang, OSBridge conflicts with a W3C AB meeting in Boston :(
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