#dev 2017-03-10

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jonnybarnes aaronpk: your Quill client, I’m looking at the code on github, if I try and upload a photo to a media endpoint, is the photo first uploaded to https://quill.p3k.io/micropub/media and then your server POSTs it to the actual media endpoint?
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aaronpk yeah
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jonnybarnes also it appears Quill can’t handle videos https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/blob/bb5fd837d12d125f908feb09808df3f6db1fe817/lib/helpers.php#L341-L354
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aaronpk correct, haven't added video support yet
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jonnybarnes wow Slim code is weird
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jonnybarnes it’d be nice if from-image got better support https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/image-orientation
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jonnybarnes as oppose to your correct_photo_rotation
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aaronpk that's in there because the iPhone uses exif data to set the rotation rather than writing the image data in the correct order, so that function rewrites the image to the proper orientation without needing exif support
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jonnybarnes yeah, and in firefox img { image-orientation: from-image; } rotates the image for you by reading the exif data
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aaronpk why isn't that just the default behavior?
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jonnybarnes well, this may be a silly question, but when did browsers first start supporting images? and when did image orientation being put in EXIF data become a thing
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jonnybarnes it wouldn’t surprise me if images in browsers came first
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jonnybarnes and no-ones added it yet, well Firefox have...
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aaronpk i guess i'm surprised it's not considered a browser bug
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aaronpk that exif orientation is disregarde
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jonnybarnes turns out iOS safari does as well: http://sethfowler.org/blog/2013/09/13/new-in-firefox-26-css-image-orientation/
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Loqi [Seth Fowler] CSS Image Orientation Lands in Firefox 26
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aaronpk "Chrome and Safari support it when the image is the top-level document" this is why i'm surprised
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aaronpk maybe tantek knows about this
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jonnybarnes Chromium seems to have forgotten about it: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=498233&q=image-orientation&colspec=ID%20Pri%20M%20Stars%20ReleaseBlock%20Component%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20OS%20Modified
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aaronpk oh gosh
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aaronpk https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25508
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aaronpk "Dropping image-orientation in favor of an HTML attribute is already planned"
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aaronpk what a mess
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aaronpk yeah i don't feel so bad about having that function in quill now
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aaronpk btw anyone who has written a micropub client, I'd love to have you try out the new micropub.rocks tests
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aaronpk jonnybarnes myfreeweb cweiske ben_thatmustbeme martymcguire[m] ^
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jonnybarnes would it be a violation of the spec to write a client that will only use https endpoints?
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@ChrisAldrich @megarush1024 Another webmention test both natively and via Twitter. (twitter.com/_/status/840013524147589121)
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hugo.soucy.cc edited /User:Hugo.soucy.cc (+136) "/* Setup */" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com created /Webmention_overview (+13303) "Overview of Webmentions written specifically for generations 2+" (view diff)
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martymcguire[m] aaronpk: is it possible to get the micropub.rocks token endpoint to return a form-encoded response rather than a JSON payload with the access_token?
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martymcguire[m] ah, looks like no.
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martymcguire[m] https://github.com/aaronpk/micropub.rocks/blob/e476bbe0626a79482a8ff1ce5a018322e66cf240/app/ClientTests.php#L338
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aaronpk ooh I didn't implement content negotiation on that
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@ChrisAldrich @megarush1024 Spam folder maybe? Webmentions often go to my spam folder. (twitter.com/_/status/840054586396311552)
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martymcguire[m] i forked and made some updates to kylewm's flask-micropub lib that i use to handle client auth. PR is here if anyone is interested: https://github.com/kylewm/flask-micropub/pull/4
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martymcguire[m] i wasn't able to find a spec regarding content negotiation on auth/token endpoints. is that part of oauth2?
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martymcguire[m] at any rate, i was able to log in and pass a couple of tests. hooray! https://micropub.rocks/client/B6NUmVpmoH7k8tlz
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martymcguire[m] i guess i don't know if that is accessible by other people.
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martymcguire[m] probably a good sign that it is time for sleep
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aaronpk martymcguire[m]: it's not part of OAuth, I am just planning on switching the IndieAuth spec to do JSON responses so I am adding conneg to my endpoints to slowly transition
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jonnybarnes you’d want a token for recent uploads to a media-endpoint? i.e. a client would go “Here’s my token, what have I uploaded recently?”
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jonnybarnes and the media endpoint would then return a list of URLs for the client to use
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cweiske or, a list of all files, sorted by creation date desc
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@wbellauthor RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 95 (twitter.com/_/status/840149978223796229)
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@mlhutchinson66 RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 95 (twitter.com/_/status/840149882816081920)
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aaronpk I like this idea of listing recent files uploaded
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aaronpk I would totally use that. I have a keyboard shortcut to upload a screenshot to my media endpoint, and I often then paste the URL into Quill to add the photo to a post
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aaronpk what happened to the certificate info menu in chrome??
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aaronpk oh gosh it moved to developer tools??
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aaronpk oh boy, chrome 57 removed my startcom root
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aaronpk ah crap. "Due to a number of technical limitations and concerns, Google Chrome is unable to trust all pre-existing certificates while ensuring our users are sufficiently protected from further misissuance. As a result of these changes, customers of WoSign and StartCom may find their certificates no longer work in Chrome 56." https://security.googleblog.com/2016/10/distrusting-wosign-and-startcom.html
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aaronpk welp guess i have to replace my wildcard certs with individual letsencrypt certs now
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aaronpk awesome. this is going to be so much fun. :eyeroll:
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aaronparecki.com edited /User:Aaronparecki.com (+672) "/* itching */" (view diff)
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aaronpk wahhhh my whole internet is broken
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[keithjgrant] oh man that sucks. Sorry ?
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aaronpk i wouldn't be so annoyed if I weren't actually taking advantage of the wildcard certs
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sknebel aaronpk: on #sandstorm someone recently linked this for affordable wildcard certs: https://www.ssl2buy.com/wildcard-ssl-certificate/ (in case you want one to bridge the time to build something LE-based out properly)
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aaronpk i'll probably just do letsencrypt. i have a system pretty well set up for it now.
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aaronpk my autorenewals on a cron job are working great, and i have a single command to set up a new cert
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aaronparecki.com edited /Main_Page (+36) "/* Wiki Resources */ use public/private blocks for login/out links" (view diff)
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petermolnar oh. I just realised I used absolute symlinks for redirect/image stuff instead of relative. So much for portable static site...
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aaronpk i keep forgetting quill doesn't work with my chrome right now and i keep clicking "reply" to things
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tantek you don't also run Firefox?
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tantek e.g. Firefox as your Quill runner ;)
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aaronpk yeah i have to switch to firefox for this
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snarfed.org uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:bridgy example screenshot.png]]""
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www.funwhilelost.com edited /events/2017-04-19-homebrew-website-club (+36) (view diff)
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www.funwhilelost.com edited /events/2017-04-19-homebrew-website-club (+182) "/* US West */" (view diff)
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sknebel in OAuth endpoints (writing an authentication endpoint right now), is there a reason to tolerate unknown parameters?
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aaronpk i think that depends on the context
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aaronpk extensions are one reason. but there might be security considerations about allowing arbitrary parameters.
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sknebel that's why I'm asking. Are there extensions where something useful happens when an endpoint doesn't understand them and falls back to normal behaviour?
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aaronpk is this for the authorization endpoint? the interface the user sees?
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sknebel for the internal calls. e.g. the initial call I receive with with client_id, redirect_uri, state, response_type, or the token verification call at the end of the indieauth flow
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sknebel (internal is a bad word. the calls that applications using the endpoint call)
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aaronpk some examples of extension-like things that some providers have done are things like: add a parameter so the app can request the user be required to authenticate again
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sknebel hm, and presumably an app might sent that parameter "out of the blue", since it doesn't know if I support it or not
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aaronpk the spec does say that new endpoint parameters are allowed https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749#section-8.2
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loqi.me edited /tip (+14) "tantek added "[[[[pay]]]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (+377) "LA photo" (view diff)
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tantek chrisaldrich LOL
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gregorlove.com edited /Events (+2244) "/* 2017 */ March+April HWCs" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /playlist (+16) "dfn" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes.uk edited /DNSSEC (+98) "/* Hosted DNS Providers with DNSSEC support */ add dnsimple" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /playlist (+27) "audio/video, not just songs. wiki links" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /playlist (+98) "XSPF an XML format for sharing playlists" (view diff)
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tantek chrisaldrich does anything actually support XSPF?
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tantek or is it a defunct format now?
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gRegorLove Fun background on https://soundiiz.com. Click near the dots and you can draw connections
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gRegorLove Found via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Shareable_Playlist_Format#Software_and_web_playlist_converters
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, I'm not aware of anything supporting XSPF, but added it more as an example of something that existed. I haven't heard anything relating to it in over 5 years....
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[chrisaldrich] none of the silos support anything close to it, to my knowledge.
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tantek.com edited /Instagram (+5) "update: multiphotos support person-tags now" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /multi-photo (+141) "/* Instagram */ update: multi-photo per-photo person-tag support" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Webmention-developer (+55) "always explicitly note the user/feature benefit, even for developers" (view diff)
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tantek what is a webmention developer?
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Loqi This page documents technical details of Webmention, specifically for Webmention developers so they can support cross-site comments and other responses in their code, or on their site or service https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer
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tantek what is continuous deploy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "continuous deploy" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek bear?
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tantek.com edited /continuous_integration (+156) "linky [[continuous deploy]], subsections for software and services" (view diff)
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tantek hopes he is classifying things correctly
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tantek what is Gratipay
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Loqi Gratipay (formerly Gittip) is a payment silo that allows individuals and organizations to receive tips to their Gratipay account which is associated with a number of different silo accounts such as github, bitbucket, twitter, openstreetmap, etc https://indieweb.org/Gratipay
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bear ?
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tantek.com edited /tip (+17) "silo examples, fix see also" (view diff)
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tantek what is continuous deploy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "continuous deploy" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek bear you used that term as part of your dfn of CI
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bear continuous deploy is a software engineering technique where teams develop features in short cycles so that the software is released continuously
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loqi.me created /continuous_deploy (+172) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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bear continuous deploy <<< continuous integration
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bear continuous deploy <<< CI
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tantek.com edited /tip (+695) "dfn for indieweb, why section, how to stub, silo examples" (view diff)
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tantek whoa triple < ?
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bear.im edited /continuous_deploy (+41) "add see-also" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, please review my edits to see if they make sense with your intent and implementation: https://indieweb.org/tip
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bear oh - did I use the wrong syntax
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tantek.com edited /Atlas (+16) "linky linky" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Atlas (+8) "see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Jenkins (+32) "dfn linky, fix see also" (view diff)
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tantek a google doc for that are you kidding me?
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www.boffosocko.com created /pnut (+377) "basic definition" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Webmention-developer (+25724) "just copy everything else over because it's nearly all developer centric by default, can clean it up *for developers* here incrementally, How to stubs" (view diff)
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gRegorLove What is IWC Bellingham?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/IWC_Bellingham
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gRegorLove What is IndieWebCamp Bellingham 2017
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWebCamp Bellingham 2017" yet. Would you like to create it?_
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/tip ?
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gRegorLove Well, it's missing a u-url, which I can fix, but I actually have no idea what php-mf2 is doing to get that u-url. Just using the last link? http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20170310233344509
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tantek.com edited /Webmention-developer (+355) "/* Page To Do */ got some done, add more to do" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Doing the same thing for Dusseldorf. Interesting. http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20170310233947592
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gregorlove.com edited /Events (+45) "/* May */ <a href> + u-url for IWC Bellingham" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Events (+47) "/* May */ same fix for Düsseldorf" (view diff)
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www.funwhilelost.com created /Gomix (+188) "prompted by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Webmention () "(-20105) trim indieweb examples down to those with screenshots, cut dev-only examples / tools / resources (already on [[Webmention-developer]]), simplify other sections too" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, now take a look at /Webmention - I think I'm done with the first major round of coarse edits to make /Webmention more user-centric instead of dev-centric. Mostly involved cutting content rather than writing anything new
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tantek the screenshots you added help A LOT and the IndieWeb examples all focus on those
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aaronpk oh wow okay
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tantek.com edited /Webmention (+197) "see / add to webmention-developer examples instead of this one" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk: is this more user-friendly linkable now that yesterday? https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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tantek *than
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tantek it's by no means complete, but I wanted to at least do a first pass to reduce the amount of developer-isms that are likely 'wall of text / tl;dr' turn offs to non-devs
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aaronpk this is *much* better
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tantek.com edited /Webmention (+22) "expand dfn to include next sentence." (view diff)
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gRegorLove What is Gomix
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Gomix
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gregorlove.com edited /Gomix (+17) "dfn" (view diff)
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gRegorLove What is Gomix
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Loqi Gomix is a tool by Fog Creek Software to allow you to quickly prototype web applications in a complete IDE with built in version control, sharing, and more https://indieweb.org/Gomix
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tantek aaronpk, my goal is to do something similar with all our protocols / formats pages
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tantek incrementally over time
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aaronpk +1
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tantek such that pages in general are *by default* readable / useful / motivational for gen 1-3 at least
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tantek and that anything gen 1 only is *-developer
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gregorlove.com edited /Gomix (-7) "link in dfn, link Node.js" (view diff)
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tantek anyway, I'm happy to do this incrementally as you or others see specific pages needing such an upgrade - like you want / need to link to a page on the wiki that describes something so gen 1-3 can grasp and act
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tantek hopefully /Webmention & /Webmention-developer are a good start in this regard
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tantek.com edited /WordPress_export (+81) "linky, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Brave (+52) "see also" (view diff)
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tantek alright, some cleanup of new pages in the newsletter done
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aaronpk ahhhh restoring my https websites
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aaronpk it's like the life is being breathed back into me