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GWG I just sent a PR to require custom post types in WordPress to expressly declare Webmention support
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gRegorLove !tell aaronpk Got a CI error on nightly, but I think it's something within PHPunit? https://travis-ci.org/indieweb/php-mf2/builds/212386297
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel aaronpk: does your webmention endpoint accept JSON sources?
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aaronpk hmm
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Loqi aaronpk: gRegorLove left you a message 11 hours, 31 minutes ago: Got a CI error on nightly, but I think it's something within PHPunit? https://travis-ci.org/indieweb/php-mf2/builds/212386297
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sknebel (the webmention spec mentions it, but I'm wondering if anybody actually implements it. So I guess this is an open question for everybody ;))
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aaronpk sknebel: i don't think so
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aaronpk my endpoint is webmention.io, which uses XRay to fetch the post
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GWG I don't. But I remember talking to people who were interested in that to transfer structured data.
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sknebel guess I'll have to implement it myself then :P
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GWG There was one person at IWC NYC 1, who it was escapes me, who was talking about using it with bibilographic type data.
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aaronpk are you expecting to receive webmentions from JSON sources soon?
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GWG I'm interested in that question too
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sknebel In https://www.svenknebel.de/posts/2017/3/9/ I claimed that a the W3C annotation stuff would already be accepted by a webmention receiver as a valid basic "mention", and I today talked to someone from hypothesis and discovered that they already publish annotations in that W3C data format
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Loqi [Sven Knebel] notes for HWC Berlin 2017-03-08
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sknebel so if I had a receiver implementing it I could test my claim
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aaronpk aha
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sknebel (and the claim would be a lot more useful if the set of "endpoints accepting JSON" would be non-empty ;))
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GWG sknebel: I'd read your writeup on this eagerly.
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aaronpk it wouldn't take much for me to accept JSON sources as "valid", but it would be more complicated to parse useful information out of them
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sknebel yes, that would be the next problem, and the point where there isn't enough standardization in generic "JSON" sources to do it without special cases
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aaronpk the JSON sources would need to standardize on a vocabulary, like activitystreams 2.0, or this annotation JSON
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sknebel AS2 is JSON-LD as well, right?
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aaronpk yes, the LD bit was shoehorned into it. you can pretty much ignore the LD part if you don't care about it
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aaronpk it was meant to look like "normal JSON" as well
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GWG Is there a standard way to tell a client what your vocabulary is? I thought there was.
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sknebel GWG: JSON-LD seems to have a bunch of ways of expressing that (just manually looking at various sources of it right now, and they do it differently)
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GWG I haven't spent much time with JSON-LD, just the JSON I needed.
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sknebel hm, from a quick read it seems like scanning for a field named "@id" and linking to that URL might be useful -> thats more or less what u-uid is in mf2 and the sites I've looked at deliver human-readable content there
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[kevinmarks] JSON-LD is very flexible. This can be a good thing (as it can represent something like activity streams 2) but it also means there are a lot of ways to represent a given thing.
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tantek kevinmarks, HTML is also very flexible ;)
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[kevinmarks] Even more so, yes. We do have some of the same issues with microformats as the authorship algorithm shows
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[kevinmarks] But LD has a whole other graph strudel thing going on
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[kevinmarks] s/strudel/structure/
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tantek no, strudel is accurate
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tantek ;)
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aaronpk graph strudel ?
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sknebel now I'm hungry again
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Zegnat I'm with sknebel, anyone know how to make strudel?
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GWG Go to store, buy strudel.
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Zegnat All stores are closed where I am in this timezone.
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tantek indie strudel!
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aaronpk why do i always forget how to vertically center an image
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aaronpk in a line of text
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tantek is it ever necessary *for a user* to load scripts from googletagmanager? I'm assuming no
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tantek aaronpk: depends on what you mean by *center*
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tantek or rather, what the top/bottom are to determine that center
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tantek font metrics, glyph ink, ascenders, descenders, etc
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aaronpk i want the vertical middles of the image and the text to be aligned. right now it looks like the baselines are aligned https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-03-18-13-39-12.png
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Zegnat vertical-align:center; ???
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tantek "vertical middles of ... text" is just rephrasing the above. by "text" do you mean the metrics, glyph ink, including ascenders? accents? descenders?
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aaronpk vertical-align:center doesn't work because they are inline elements i think
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tantek or rather, might not be the "center" that you have in mind
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tantek hence my questions
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aaronpk um, i don't know. it looks wrong. i want it to look right :P
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tantek so you probably mean your specific glyph ink then?
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aaronpk i got it: https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-03-18-13-45-23.png
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Zegnat which vertical-align did you end up with, aaronpk?
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tantek and what happens when you cmd+ or cmd-?
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aaronpk middle, and then i put the image in a background of a span element with display:inline-block
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aaronpk looks great when the page is zoomed
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gRegorLove vertical-align works for me with an image. I use vertical-align: text-bottom on my little avatar: https://gregorlove.com/2017/03/ooh-unwed-sailor-is-playing/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Ooh, Unwed Sailor is playing Seattle in June!
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Zegnat You don't need vertical-align then, right? Just background-position?
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aaronpk ah yeah the vertical-align isn't actually doing anything
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Zegnat vertical-align is one of those trip-ups for people new to CSS. It really only applies to images in text and to anything within table cells
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Zegnat Well, not only images, should be any inline elements, but images are the most common in normal HTML usage
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gRegorLove It's a trip-up to those of us who use CSS a lot, too, haha
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Loqi hehe
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Zegnat I frequently misremember the actual value keywords, but if you use CSS a lot you should at least be able to remember what it affects, imho.
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tantek alright, with multiple publishing uses of p-checkin / u-checkin that seem to "work", that's probably worth documenting as current "best practice"
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tantek (with embedded h-card even)
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tantek now the question is whether any consuming code will notice and do anything with p-checkin / u-checkin
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jonnybarnes if you have an h-entry note, with an associated download link, maybe its a pdf of a flier for an event the note talks about, or whatever, how would you markup the <a> tag?
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jonnybarnes Just `u-url`?
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jonnybarnes just looking at the microformats.org wiki and saw a link to chloeweil.com :(
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jonnybarnes page is still online though
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tantek jonnybarnes: yeah. I think that's a good way to pay respects, by honoring her work.
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tantek jonnybarnes look into ATTACHMENT
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tantek I think it was brainstormed on the microformats wiki at least
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tantek (for the PDF file
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tantek )
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tantek so the mf2 equivalent would be u-attachment
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