#dev 2017-03-20

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gregorlove.com edited /tags (+100) "/* gRegor Morrill */ +note posts" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+287) "fix the internet articles" (view diff)
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sebastiangreger.net edited /events/2017-03-22-homebrew-website-club (-30) "/* Berlin */ added indie event" (view diff)
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petermolnar re aaronpk PSR-7 nearly all web languages are like that
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@cleverdevil @BeardOps Micropub, Webmention, Indieauth are open standards. Twitter API is proprietary. (twitter.com/_/status/843870426099040256)
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adactio.com edited /events/2017-03-22-homebrew-website-club (-49) "/* UK */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+123) "six cities across four timezones this week so far" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /OwnYourSwarm (+119) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /OwnYourGram (+19) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /OwnYourSwarm (+426) "supports person tags" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /person-tag (+215) "/* Tool Support */ +OwnYourSwarm" (view diff)
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barryfrost.com edited /checkin (+293) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Adding barryf's first checkins." (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich @ChrisAldrich testing exotic webmentions quickly (twitter.com/_/status/843925113355476992)
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@EddieHinkle @cleverdevil webmention’d your post. It worked and appeared but it returned a 500 error code. Uncaught Error from known (twitter.com/_/status/843927968749666304)
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@ChrisAldrich @ChrisAldrich yet another exotic webmention test (twitter.com/_/status/843937394353041408)
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KartikPrabhu what's exotic webmentions?
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tantek.com edited /checkin (+118) "/* Former Silo Examples */ Dodgeball" (view diff)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: presumably /response other than a reply/comment?
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KartikPrabhu as in a "like" ?
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tantek yes that is a /response that is not a reply/comment :)
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KartikPrabhu I wonder why it is exotic!
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tantek it is cultural exotic to the world of blogs and feed readers and such that predate the indieweb because they had no such concept
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tantek culturally
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tantek certainly no such cross-site concept
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@kartik_prabhu @ChrisAldrich What are “exotic” webmentions? (twitter.com/_/status/843941788381577217)
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KartikPrabhu well there you go^
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aaronpk "testing exotic webmentions quickly" almost sounds like one of those sentences like "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"
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KartikPrabhu or "One morning, when Gregor Samsa woke from troubled dreams..."
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GWG Exotic Webmentions are a term peterwilsoncc used, I believe, to refer to Webmentions to website elements in WordPress that have permalinks but are not posts
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KartikPrabhu like pages?
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GWG No, pages are posts
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GWG Like the homepage
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GWG Or archive pages
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KartikPrabhu is this "not a post" purely a WP internal thing?
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tantek well then I was mistaken
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GWG Comments are attached to a post ID. Those pages don't have them
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tantek it sounds like "something without a dated permalink"
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GWG You can attach to things without a dated permalink
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KartikPrabhu interesting, I simply attach responses to the URL not the "id"
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aaronpk when i receive webmentions, if it doesn't match a permalink of a post it goes into essentially a catch-all bucket
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: you do check if it is a URL on your site though, yes?
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KartikPrabhu "valid" URL
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GWG So, there is a filter we created to catch incoming mentions and assign a post ID to them
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aaronpk yes it has to match aaronparecki.com
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GWG To route them to a designated page
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: what about webmentions to non-existing URLs on your domain?
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GWG But it is otherwise not implemented.
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KartikPrabhu like https://aaronparecki.com/404
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aaronpk i believe those go into the catch-all bucket too
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KartikPrabhu interesting, I was thinking of how to catch and reject those
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aaronpk i don't really mind having them, since it's entirely possible that i may have changed a URL at some point and forgotten to set a redirect. this way i might be alerted as to that fact.
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KartikPrabhu oh, that is a good point
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tantek.com edited /checkin (+219) "/* PESOS */ OwnYourSwarm, main template links" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich @kartik_prabhu Webmentions to things other than posts-pages, archives, etc. In this particular case, to my homepage https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention#how-can-i-handle-webmentions-to-my-homepage-or-archive-pages (twitter.com/_/status/843945145301196801)
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tantek is there a better name for that? or should we define it because it's already in use and has already been confusing?
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tantek what are exotic webmentions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "exotic webmentions" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek (I don't actually like the name, because they're only exotic because they're not well defined, nothing more)
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tantek what are homepage mentions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "homepage mentions" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu I am not for naming things that are "just variants" of things already in use
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tantek hmm
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tantek OwnYourSwarm << OwnYourCheckin
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loqi.me edited /OwnYourSwarm (+21) "tantek added "[[OwnYourCheckin]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "[[OwnYourCheckin]]" to the "See Also" section of /OwnYourSwarm
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-079-swarm-ipod6-ios10-checkin.png]]""
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tantek.com edited /bandwidth (+1067) "Site is inactive please contact billing" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /checkin (+74) "/* Silo Examples */ swarm checkin UI first screen" (view diff)
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-079-swarm-ipod6-ios10-checkin2.png]]""
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-079-swarm-ipod6-ios10-checkin-stickers.png]]""
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-079-swarm-ipod6-ios10-checkin-photos.png]]""
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tantek.com edited /Swarm (+520) "User Interface" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Re "exotic webmentions", maybe a section on /webmention for other terminologies in the wild and redirect to that.
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tantek what is a homepage?
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Loqi Your homepage represents you on the web, typically at the top of your domain, and shows your name and an iconic representation, often marked up with h-card https://indieweb.org/homepage
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gRegorLove Otherwise I think its own page will encourage its use more
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tantek what are homepage webmentions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "homepage webmentions" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek homepage webmentions are /homepage#Webmention_to_homepage
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loqi.me created /homepage_webmentions (+44) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek I don't know the use-cases for archive webmentions so I'll leave that to someone else
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gRegorLove What is ownyourswarm?
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Loqi OwnYourSwarm is a service which sends your Swarm checkins to your own website via Micropub https://indieweb.org/OwnYourSwarm
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www.boffosocko.com edited /App.net (+236) "added link to snowflake; Manton Reece archive" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /checkin (+277) "/* Swarm Posting UI */ photos and stickers variants" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Swarm (+173) "/* Other Links */ note venturebeat article that mentions a bit of the badges vs stickers thing" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /person-tag (+70) "tantek added "[[https:/[[aaronparecki]].com/2017/03/20/8[[day]]-90-ownyourswarm]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Swarm (+185) "/* Check In on iOS */" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /person-tag (+64) "aaronpk added "[[https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/20/8/day-90-ownyourswarm]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Swarm (+79) "/* User Interface */ === Profile === screenshot placeholder" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /person-tag (+60) "aaronpk added "https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/20/8/day-90-ownyourswarm" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-03-20-Swarm-profile-on-android.png]]""
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gregorlove.com edited /Swarm (+66) "/* Profile */ note world map checkins" (view diff)
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gRegorLove gives Loqi a bracket
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Loqi peers at the bracket
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tantek gives Loqi the other bracket
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Loqi eyes the other bracket
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KartikPrabhu gives Loqi a cake
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Loqi grabs the cake
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aaronpk Loqi is in quite the mood today
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KartikPrabhu if Loqi had replied with "the cake is a lie" I would have lol-ed
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gregorlove.com edited /Swarm (+306) "/* Other Links */ citation template, sort most recent first" (view diff)