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tantek.com edited /tinbox (+621) "add a few federation related items to consider" (view diff)
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@captaxin ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 74 (twitter.com/_/status/855291294951718912)
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colinwalker.blog created /User:Colinwalker.blog (+500) "Created page with "[https://colinwalker.blog Colin Walker] Rebooted the blog in March 2016 with the intent of owning everything I do on the web. Long form, microblog and microcast are all hosted ..."" (view diff)
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GWG miklb, someone had the same settings issue with Syndication Links, I am going to try to troubleshoot that
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deathrow1 sknebel: https://github.com/mubaris/curiosity
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deathrow1 sknebel: can not yet tell if it'll work or not
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deathrow1 work/produce relevant results
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miklb GWG settings issue?
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GWG Where you had to save the settings page
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miklb I vaguely remember that :-)
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gRegorLove Argh, WordPress. We have a custom login set up and despite calling `remove_action('authenticate', 'wp_authenticate_username_password', 20);` to disable the core authentication method, it's still falling back to it apparently.
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GWG Gregorlove, sorry
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gRegorLove Not your fault :)
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miklb gRegorLove we?
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GWG I am the community WordPress apologist
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gRegorLove Work-related, not indieweb, miklb
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miklb right, I assumed not indieweb related, just didn't know if "we" was public knowledge
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strk what's the development focus ?
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strk is it on specs ?
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cweiske the indieweb development focus?
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cweiske it's making things work for yourself
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cweiske strk, I could pack you a .phar file with everything in it
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cweiske then you'd only have to deploy one file on your server
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strk .phar doesn't sound familiar to me
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cweiske it lets you pack up php applications into one file
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strk but sure, it could help (I'm only familiar with apt-get :)
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cweiske gm
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cweiske give me half an hour
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strk I probably won't be here by then, would it make sense to have a download link somewhere ?
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strk (ideally on that "homepage" I was looking for...)
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cweiske perhaps, i'll see
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ben_thatmustbeme if you mean the reason for the -dev room strk its to keep the #indieweb room inviting to newcomers without being cluttered with plumbing discussions
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strk but what's the plumb ?
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strk and what's the newcomers coming for ?
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strk I mean, all of this sound very techie to me anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme some come in just wanting to use existing tools to get stuff on their own site, they don't care about coding, they just want to get in to the community
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strk ah, got it, so they get away with the link href=github ...
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strk (or twitter)
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ben_thatmustbeme yep
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ben_thatmustbeme because from the user perspective, they don't care about anything below that
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ben_thatmustbeme in general we tend to take a view of figuring out UX / design before any of the plumbing
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ben_thatmustbeme http://indieweb.org/principles
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ben_thatmustbeme this room also has the wiki log via bot (another thing thats not as welcoming to new people)
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2017-05-10-homebrew-website-club (+399) "/* Details */ add Baltimore" (view diff)
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gRegorLove ^ wiki edits appear here too
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gRegorLove I think it was answered pretty well in chat, but this is also an FAQ: https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth#Is_it_good_to_delegate_auth_to_3rd_parties
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2017-05-10-homebrew-website-club (+344) "/* RSVP */ b'more links" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Sorted out that WordPress login fallback. There's also an action `wp_authenticate_email_password` that had to be removed. Most of these users have email addresses as usernames, so I guess WP tries both methods.
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miklb gRegorLove good to know
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cweiske oh. a php phar bug bites me
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strk eh
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cweiske phar files are unable to handle HEAD requests, and indieauth.com sends a HEAD request to see if it's really an auth endpoint
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cweiske https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=51918
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strk a GNUSocial implementation doesn't entushiasm you eh ?
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strk it already has an OpenID provider...
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strk based on php-openid
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cweiske I'm already doing much more for you than I expected to ever work on indieauth-openid
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strk yeah, don't worry
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cweiske php source code confirms my suspicion :/
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cweiske )) {
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cweiske if (!(SG(request_info).request_method && SG(request_info).request_uri && (!strcmp(SG(request_info).request_method, "GET") || !strcmp(SG(request_info).request_method, "POST"))\
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cweiske return;
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cweiske }
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strk I don't really need to be able to login via indieauth anyway
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strk was just looking around as I was writing a blog post about OpenID
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strk shall I need it, will consider delegating to github
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strk oh, if it may help cweiske : http://strk.kbt.io/tmp/openid-alpha-install-failure.txt
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gRegorLove Why not email, strk?
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cweiske strk, try to install net_url2 first alone
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cweiske pear install net_url2
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cweiske then try again with openid-alpha
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strk pear install net_url2 # install ok: channel://pear.php.net/Net_URL2-2.1.2
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cweiske try: pear upgrade net_url2-2.2.1
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strk pear install openid-alpha # http://strk.kbt.io/tmp/openid-alpha-install-failure2.txt
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strk oh, upgrade ok: channel://pear.php.net/Net_URL2-2.2.1
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strk ok, openid alpha is ok now (I think)
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cweiske that's some pear fuckup. someone released version 2.1.2 after 2.2.1
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strk install ok: channel://pear.php.net/HTTP_Request2-2.3.0
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strk install ok: channel://pear.php.net/Services_Yadis-0.5.2
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cweiske and pear can't cope with that ...
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strk still: require_once(): Failed opening required 'OpenID.php'
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strk ok, pear sucks hard
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strk previous command only installed the two things above
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strk but not openid-alpha yet
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strk now:
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strk pear/Cache_Lite requires package "pear/PEAR" (version >= 1.10.1), installed version is 1.9.5
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cweiske pear upgrade pear
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strk and so on, I guess ?
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strk by the end of it my system would be full of foreign packages, right ?
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strk challenging stability of other php apps on the system ?
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cweiske depends on their include path
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strk pear/Structures_Graph cannot be installed, conflicts with installed packages
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cweiske :/
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strk pear/PEAR requires package "pear/XML_Util" (recommended version 1.4.2), installed version is 1.2.3
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strk and so on and so on
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cweiske pear install -f cache_lite
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strk this is a no go, now I wonder how to undo all I did so far :/
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cweiske to get around the pear upgrade pear thing
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strk nah, too many moving parts, I really want to stop it here
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cweiske k
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strk never liked pears :)
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strk thanks for your time though
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strk really I recommend you to look at Go, you might like it :)
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cweiske makes a php-src patch
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martymcguire[m] cweiske++ for going at this so hard
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strk cweiske++ if my vote counts :)
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cweiske https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/2493
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cweiske but now I found a workaround
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cweiske let's try
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cweiske cweiske.de/indieauth-openid-0.1.0.phar/
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cweiske Ok! Click to authenticate using this provider.
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cweiske oho
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cweiske You Successfully Authenticated!
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cweiske there it is
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strk 20 minutes of handshakes ? :P
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cweiske 20 minutes of debugging an uncaught exception
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cweiske because my $sqliteFile variable was missing "sqlite:" in front of it
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cweiske wrongly named variable
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cweiske strk, http://tmp.cweiske.de/indieauth-openid-0.1.0.phar.bin
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cweiske download it, remove the .bin from the filename
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cweiske create a config file indieauth-openid-0.1.0.phar.config.php in the same folder
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cweiske contents:
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cweiske <?php
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cweiske $dsn = 'sqlite:/tmp/indieauth-openidtest.sq3';
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cweiske ?>
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cweiske then you probably need to configure your webserver to handle .phar files with php
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cweiske I prepared something for you several years ago: http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/phar-webserver.htm
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Enable .phar handling in your web server
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strk is the closing ?> tag really needed ?
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cweiske no
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cweiske I like it, because it balances the world
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cweiske and especially consumer (webapp that consumes indieauth) complexity is lower than for openid
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strk my apache config does not have AddHandler for php
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strk but SetHandler application/x-httpd-php
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strk which doesn't work even with <FilesMatch "^\.ph(ar|p[345]?|t|tml|ps)$">
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cweiske which location is your .phar file now? url?
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strk https://id.kbt.io/indieauth/indieauth-openid-0.1.0.phar
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cweiske and you restarted apache
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strk after <FilesMatch "^\.ph(ar|p[345]?|t|tml|ps)$">
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strk yes, restarted
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cweiske are you using cgi/fpm?
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strk change reverted, after finding out I exposed sources of all php things, all broken (friendica/gnusocial/nextcloud/...)
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cweiske maybe you have multiple SetHandler lines across your files
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cweiske *config files
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strk ok now works
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cweiske how so?
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strk -<FilesMatch ".+\.ph(p[345]?|t|tml)$">
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strk +<FilesMatch ".+\.ph(ar|p[345]?|t|tml)$">
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strk my fault, copied the wrong line
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strk this one:
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strk # Deny access to files without filename (e.g. '.php')
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strk <FilesMatch "^\.ph(p[345]?|t|tml|ps)$">
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strk you see it's different, lacks the initial .+
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strk just in case you want to update that page you showed me
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cweiske that page is correct
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cweiske http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/phar-webserver.htm#debian
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strk now a clear url and I'm done
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strk oh, you're right, the page is correct, sorry
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gRegorLove rel=author appears to only be "proposed" on http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry. Should indiewebify.me really be capturing it?
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML/H...
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gRegorLove In reference to: https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/61
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strk ok first attempt for clean url failed: https://id.kbt.io/indieauth/
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strk was: Alias /indieauth /var/www/indieauth-openid/indieauth-openid-0.1.0.phar
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cweiske strk, I have no idea if that works with clean urls
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cweiske aaronpk, There was a problem!
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cweiske "http://cweiske.de/indieauth-openid-0.1.0.phar/" was not found on the site "http://cweiske.de/". Try re-scanning after checking your rel=me links on your site.
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cweiske indieauth.com says that after I changed my auth server
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cweiske I have no way to re-scan
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strk DirectoryIndex index.phar # did not help either (entered an infinite redirect look)
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aaronpk there should always be a re-scan button there
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cweiske strk, try without a clean url for now
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cweiske maybe only have indieauth-openid.phar
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strk "indieauth-openid can only be used in the browser "
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cweiske http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2017-04-21%20indieauth%20no%20rescan.png
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cweiske when renaming?
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cweiske aaronpk, the screenshot was for you
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strk whenever I try to use another name (even a simlink)
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strk uhm, no, a simlink is ok
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aaronpk oh... but if you start the process over you'll see the re-scan link. it's above the list of providers
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strk it's just DirectoryIndex which makes it fail with that message
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strk must be a missing env variable
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cweiske aaronpk, I never get the provider list
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cweiske probably because it previously only found one
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cweiske and skips that now
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aaronpk oh! ...
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk sure enough
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aaronpk if @profiles.length == 1 && @profiles[0]['provider'] == 'indieauth'
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cweiske :)
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cweiske if that changes, you're out of luck
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aaronpk yeah wow oops
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cweiske I've opened https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/146
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aaronpk ?
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aaronpk that's tricky
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aaronpk skipping the screen is good for the whole flow, but i'm not sure how to solve this in that case
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aaronpk maybe if it hits this error it should delete the cache?
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cweiske in case of this error, remove the provider from the profile and redirect to profile selector
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cweiske yes
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strk I wonder where this message comes from: https://id.kbt.io/indieauth/
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strk did anyone ever see that ?
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cweiske I added this
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strk in the .phar ?
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cweiske yes
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strk how did you build the .phar ? Maybe you can push a Makefile rule for me to rebuild after fixing the .phar ?
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strk or, how can a .phar be exploded, edited and recomposed ?
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cweiske strk, this is a php bug
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cweiske if you remove the .phar from the file, it does not recognize that it's running the .phar from a web browser
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cweiske https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=67071
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strk so /indieauth.phar should work ? will try that
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cweiske and https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=52322
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strk although... uhm would not be clean url anymore
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cweiske <cweiske> maybe only have indieauth-openid.phar
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strk ah, now I see what you meant
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strk but no, I don't like that
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cweiske I give up.
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strk cweiske: for a test I tried using /index.phar which now succeeds at rendering the page, but fails at being used successfully for login
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strk just shows me the page, with no query strings
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strk I guess it's due to the .phar -> .phar/ redirect, but I'm not sure
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cweiske add the slash to the auth endpoint link on your site
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strk moves one step forward: Invalid URL in "redirect_uri" parameter: scheme missing
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cweiske how do you test?
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cweiske on indieauth.com?
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strk yes
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strk query string contains this: redirect_uri=https%253A%252F%252Findieauth.com%252Fauth%252Findieauth%252Fredirect
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strk error handling of the proxy could be better (it could tell the user that the rel="authorization_endpoint" does not match the installation url, for example)
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strk which explains why I could not use a redirect to get clean url :/
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cweiske I wonder why it is double-encoded
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cweiske aaronpk, ?
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cweiske https://id.kbt.io/indieauth/index.phar/?me=http://strk.kbt.io/&scope=&client_id=https://indieauth.com%252F&redirect_uri=https%253A%252F%252Findieauth.com%252Fauth%252Findieauth%252Fredirect
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gRegorLove cweiske++ for all the indieauth help
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cweiske split url: http://p.cweiske.de/435
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Loqi Christian Weiske
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martymcgui.re created /Baltimore (+310) "HWC, IWC mbrs" (view diff)
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cweiske wait
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cweiske this isn't indieauth.com
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cweiske strk, it's your fault :)
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cweiske you linked the http version on your homepage
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cweiske but have a redirect from http to https
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cweiske and during that redirect the parameter gets double-encoded
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strk how fragile this web is :)
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cweiske oh, now simpleid is showing
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strk so step forward: Generic error: SQLSTATE[HY000] [14] unable to open database file (PDOException)
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strk :)
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strk btw, are you saying that my redirect setup is bogus ? (just to keep a note about it)
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cweiske no idea what's correct for that redirect
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cweiske do you have your index.phar.config.php with the dsn inside?
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strk it's a rewriterule injected by letsencrypt
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strk ok back to auth
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strk yes: 'sqlite:/tmp/indieauth-openidtest.sq3';
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strk $dsn = 'sqlite:/tmp/indieauth-openidtest.sq3';
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strk oh, but wait :)
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strk my fault again
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strk should probably be aclled index.phar.config.php, right
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strk uff, but a symlink breaks again with that "can only be used in the browser"
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strk enough for today, thanks so far, I hope you can provide that makefile rule to build the phar so maybe I can help making it more robust
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strk You Successfully Authenticated!
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strk (copy instead of symlink)
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cweiske :)
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cweiske strk, the symlink problem is a php bug as I wrote before
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cweiske you can't solve it
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cweiske the makefile rule is already there in git
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cweiske $ phing phar
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cweiske but you need the pear packages installed :)
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cweiske so it finally works
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cweiske great
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