#dev 2017-07-08

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Zegnat
[miklb], I should probably have defined “fiddly parts” as public-facing parts. I have no issue installing a database or whatever on a box and have it open to socket connections. I trust my self with that. It is public-facing stuff I don’t feel comfortable about doing.
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Loqi
[[HTTPS]] ! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=38689&oldid=38688&rcid=38603 * Jonnybarnes.uk * (+24) /* Why */ marked a link as being offline
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petermolnar
^^^ this causes weird feelings in me
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petermolnar
offline urls in why section
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petermolnar
I'm guessing it's inevitable, though; I can't remember if indieweb has already encountered the question of what happens with the data of the deceased, that one that caused FB trouble as well
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petermolnar
in my case both my server and my domain would expire when my prepaid credit card runs out of funds
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petermolnar
sebsel that conversation happened when I was on holiday, probably that's why I skipped it, thanks for findig it
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petermolnar
I'm guessing static website come handy for a dead man's switch
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jjuran
Welcome to the brittle Web
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sebsel
We don't really have a page on this specific topic, but since I don't know how to call it, it might exist under that name
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petermolnar
the most problematic part of indieweb for longetivity is who's going to pay for your domain if you're not?
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Zegnat
That is where I have a semi-out. Several family members use the domain as it is our family name. If anyone is still using it for their email after I die, chances are they will take over the domain payments.
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cweiske
you specify in your testament that the heirs have to continue running the server + domain :)
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petermolnar
does any of the providers let you pre-pay a domain for 50 or more years?
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sebsel
cweiske is right, if you want to be buried you will have to get a similar arrangement.
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petermolnar
suddenly envisioned smart tombstones
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petermolnar
oh dear what have I done
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cweiske
petermolnar, I don't know any providers
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cweiske
they probably won't do that because of possible NIC price rises
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petermolnar
"get your smart tombstone pre-ordered today!" build in solar powered raspberry pi that keeps serving your static site by serving a wifi with a built-in dns so whoever connects can indefinitely browser your website and it won't cost any money
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sebsel
petermolnar take a look at Wubbo Ockels' (Dutch astronaut) tombstone http://www.twinsholland.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Zorgvlied-1-1024x620.jpg
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sebsel
but that's getting offtopic :)
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cweiske
.. as long as wifi devices are around
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petermolnar
sebsel off, but not that off, I'm starting to think that this is indeed a viable option to keep serving content without the need of any provider, although it'd be location/memorial restricted
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petermolnar
cweiske that is true
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Zegnat
I am not sure every country will allow you to require your heirs to do something in your name. You are better off setting up a trust to do that, who are legally bound by the rules of the trust. A single IndieWeb trust might even work: leave them money and transfer your hosting/domain to the IndieWeb Trust and they keep paying the bills.
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cweiske
Zegnat++ good idea. indieweb trust
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Loqi
zegnat has 20 karma in this channel (108 overall)
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petermolnar
not certain if it's a doable option
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petermolnar
certainly sounds interesting
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sebsel
related / also bit off: Ockels' Twitter account is still online and stopped tweeting in 2014, without any indication of his death. https://twitter.com/Ockels
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cweiske
deadman's notice feature in the indieweb trust
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cweiske
you only have to grant oauth access
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Loqi
[[longevity]] ! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=38691&oldid=37495&rcid=38605 * Seblog.nl * (+615) /* Brainstorming */ added IndieWeb Trust
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sebsel
Just linking back to the logs :)
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[miklb]
Zegnat what do you mean by “public facing”?
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[miklb]
also, good morning all
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Zegnat
Accessible by outside parties. E.g. apache through port 80
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sknebel
aaronpk: were the Loqi-issues in the library under TikTokBot, or some other part? (do I have to worry about it happening when I use TTB?)
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aaronpk
yeah it was in the cinch.rb IRC client
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aaronpk
i updated cinch and am running it in the latest ruby and it's working again
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sknebel
ah, I see new commits. k, will upgrade Kaja as well
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sknebel
cc sebsel, relevant for you as well
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sebsel
oh, sknebel thanks, but my webhost blocked my home-IP pings, so no webmention-to-IRC for me atm :)
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sknebel
I thought on other ports it worked?
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sknebel
or did they block you afterwards?
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sebsel
It did but stopped working. I want to get back to my earlier idea about a notification centre in Seblog
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sebsel
I block most notifications on my phone anyway, so I should not try and re-create that. But I like a place to see them all, like Facebook's world-icon or GitHub nice way of showing them per repo.
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sebsel
Ah, I see we documented that already under https://indieweb.org/notification#GitHub etc :)
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sknebel
yeah, I have them in IRC only in a way where they don't create a notification or so, I just see when I come back to Quassel that the channel changed color
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sebsel
yeah, I like it that way, I had that too for two days ;)
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sebsel
Still want to try to go the non-dev way, crafting by own UI :)
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@WendyandCharles
ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 48
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[miklb]
is there any mf2 meant for pagination?
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[miklb]
what is pagination?
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Loqi
pagination is a UI pattern for navigation across (typically chronologically) sequential pages that show one or more posts such as permalink post pages, archives, search results, and lists of tagged posts https://indieweb.org/pagination
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[miklb]
nothing mentioned there.
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ben_thatmustbeme
!tell miklb there is rel=next / rel=prev
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[miklb]
true. thanks ben_thatmustbeme
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Loqi
[miklb]: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 43 minutes ago: there is rel=next / rel=prev
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Loqi
[[backfill]] ! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=38694&oldid=38620&rcid=38608 * Www.boffosocko.com * (+811) Indieweb examples; Peter Molnar article
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Loqi
[[wikifying]] ! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=38698&oldid=37664&rcid=38612 * Www.boffosocko.com * (+36) additional examples
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