#dev 2017-09-02

2017-09-02 UTC
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aaronpk oo i think i got it
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tantek.com edited /spam (+313) "/* Spam Detection */ Recognizing auto-generated spam text" (view diff)
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aaronpk now i just need to find a real example
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aaronpk aha! yessss
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aaronpk one of my own replies to myself
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aaronpk oh nice, marty's comments do it
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aaronpk well good, at least my code wasn't super broken this whole time. a lot of these old webmentions are matched up already
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aaronparecki.com edited /deduplication (+386) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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aaronpk okay well that's live
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snarfed aaronpk++ cool!
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manton.org edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (-34) "/* Austin */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (-62) "move Bellingham to past" (view diff)
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coderuse.faith created /User:Coderuse.faith (+797) "New blog coderuse.faith" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas Hell IndieWeb devs
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jeremycherfas I mean hello
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jeremycherfas !tell zegnat Hi Martijn. Can you try and help me understand whether I am better trying to POST direct to an endpoint in withknown or via Quill or another micropub client?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed i'd like to publicly thank everyone here who was in any way involved with the decision to use domains (and SSL) for identity assertion in webmention, relmeauth/indieauth, oauth2, etc
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snarfed ...as opposed to e.g. salmon's public key crypto, which i've been debugging for interop for the last n days, and i'm ready to throw out a window
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snarfed (to be fair, activitypub went the same way and dropped the crypto too, thankfully)
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aaronpk snarfed++ lol
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aaronpk ActivityPub is working on adding back signatures right now :-/
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aaronpk Gargron is in the middle of implementing that for Mastodon
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snarfed AAARRRGHH goddammit
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petermolnar snarfed and it's also UK-friendly this way, we can completely drop the crypto \o/ /s
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snarfed yeah mastodon's current activitypub state threw me for a loop for a min, it happily accepts inbox POSTs and does nothing with them
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petermolnar but true, domains are good
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snarfed so much for preferring activitypub if available
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petermolnar the user@domain of the email is still far the best in my opinion, although xyz.abc.com subdomains work as well
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snarfed yeah that's still an open question for me too. if i'm https://snarfed.org/, and i don't have anything like u-nickname in my h-card...and i use my site to talk to someone over ostatus/activitypub...what's my username @snarfed.org?
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Loqi Ryan Barrett
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snarfed go back to sleep loqi
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aaronpk I've always thought aaronpk@aaronpk.com was awkward, even for email addresses
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snarfed yup. ideally it'd be @aaronpk.com, ie blank username, but mastodon at least doesn't allow that
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snarfed options: -@, _@, aaronpk@, aaronpk.com@, me@, ...?
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aaronpk For email I use parecki.com
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snarfed sure. still, i need an algorithm that takes a site and representative h-card and returns an ostatus2/activitypub address
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snarfed maybe if no u-nickname, take h-card name, tokenize on whitespace, lowercase first token. so you'd be aaron@aaronpk.com
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snarfed a little too magical surprise for my taste though
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aaronpk I think clients expect the username part to be somewhat unique and make the username more visible than the domain, so that does seem reasonable
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aaronpk mastodon I think displays only the username if it's on the same domain as your server for example
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snarfed right, but these will all be "remote" users, so the ostatus2 sites should display domain more
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snarfed guess i'll research all the display styles
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snarfed i'm kinda tempted to find a whitespace char that they'll all accept and not trim, so it visibly renders as just @domain
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snarfed ...probably a bad idea :P
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aaronpk haha
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Loqi hehe
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[kevinmarks] ?@domain.com
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[kevinmarks] ?@domain.com
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: ooh i like it, thanks for the idea
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snarfed at least assuming all major fedsocnet implementations support emoji usernames
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snarfed did we ever settle on an indieweb emoji? ?? ?? ???
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Zegnat !tell snarfed Wikipedia has you covered, it has a table of blank Unicode chars that aren’t classified as whitespace on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_character
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Zegnat: jeremycherfas left you a message 3 hours, 47 minutes ago: Hi Martijn. Can you try and help me understand whether I am better trying to POST direct to an endpoint in withknown or via Quill or another micropub client?
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Zegnat !tell jeremycherfas, you know me, I am always happy to talk you through something
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] snarfed re ostatus2/AP compat or is only mastodon that requires a non-blank username@?
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[tantek] !tell snarfed AFAIK AP does *not* require username@ identities. Just URLs are ok. So this is a legacy ostatus/mastodon compat issue
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] !tell snarfed therefore you could pick a single obv company-only arbitrary username that no-one would reasonably actually want for themselves, e.g. ostatuscompatusername@aaronpk(.)com
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] !tell snarfed or you could use it as an opportunity to market the fact that on the IndieWeb we are masters and in control of our own domains, e.g. masterofmyowndomain@aaronpk(.)com
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bear hmm, ronkyuu is failing for test 23 on webmention rocks - the one with a redirected webmention page relative url
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bear oh, this is fun - so the target to send the webmention to isn't the path given but the path returned if redirected
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bear ponders life as a sheep herder
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snarfed better than yak shaver
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Loqi snarfed: Zegnat left you a message 5 hours, 20 minutes ago: Wikipedia has you covered, it has a table of blank Unicode chars that aren’t classified as whitespace on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_character
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Loqi snarfed: [tantek] left you a message 3 hours, 1 minute ago: AFAIK AP does *not* require username@ identities. Just URLs are ok. So this is a legacy ostatus/mastodon compat issue
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Loqi snarfed: [tantek] left you a message 2 hours, 59 minutes ago: therefore you could pick a single obv company-only arbitrary username that no-one would reasonably actually want for themselves, e.g. ostatuscompatusername@aaronpk(.)com
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Loqi snarfed: [tantek] left you a message 2 hours, 58 minutes ago: or you could use it as an opportunity to market the fact that on the IndieWeb we are masters and in control of our own domains, e.g. masterofmyowndomain@aaronpk(.)com
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bear :)
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bear yea, I just need to see if this is a change in ronkyuu or in the code that does the send mention
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KartikPrabhu bear: I think the python requests lib has a way to get the final redirected path
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bear yep, the redirect history
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bear but for this the given target url is not the same root path as the redirected url
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KartikPrabhu hmmm
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bear it discovers it just fine: webmention endpoint discovery: 200 [https://webmention.rocks/test/23/webmention-endpoint/OViQGJvsOUCD0WWgpsBv]
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bear yikes - this really breaks things
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bear the target url now changes based on this being a redirect with a relative url
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bear before the target url was always the link as found in the source
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bear wonder why this was added
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bear oh - i'm thinking about this from the wrong side
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aaronpk It's meant to simulate when someone moves their URLs around
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bear yea, I just had the aha moment
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bear it's when I discover if the target url is valid, I need to use the final url in the redirect history
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bear for the target url, not the original
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bear had to work my head back into this world - i've been out of it for a while
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aaronpk You shouldn't have to change the target URL. That will still be the original URL you link to in your post
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bear wait
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Loqi +1
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bear then why am I seeing a 404 for the webmention POST
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bear sending to [https://webmention.rocks/test/23/webmention-endpoint/OViQGJvsOUCD0WWgpsBv] {'source': u'https://bear.im/bearlog/2017/245/checking-indieweb-code.html', 'target
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bear ': u'https://webmention.rocks/test/23/page'} debug: POST returned 404
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Loqi [Webmention Rocks!] Discovery Test #23
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aaronpk Did you resolve the redirect relative to the correct URL?
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bear for what, discovery or sending the webmention
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bear it's was resolved for the discovery as it found the custom endpoint webmention.rocks creates
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bear no, I wasn't resolving the redirects for the target url - guess I'm old school ops type that has my web server handling all redirects
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