#dev 2017-09-17

2017-09-17 UTC
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seblog.nl edited /like (+370) "/* Variants */ added Strava Kudos + no undo + Medium had recommend before claps" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Kudos (+61) "prompted by sebsel and dfn added by sebsel" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /Kudos (+596) "more dfn + expanding" (view diff)
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seblog.nl moved /Kudos to /kudos "no capital per convention"
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petermolnar !tell [jeremycherfas] run it on a filesystem which can do snapshots - lvm2, btrfs, zfs - and stop worrying about accidentally deleting things :) although snapshots don't always work on innodb databases, which is a problem
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jeremycherfas] Thanks petermolnar. Getting there …
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sknebel oh great, my DNS provider is down. well, more reason to move "set up secondary DNS" higher up the to-do list once they are back...
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petermolnar I should self-host dns as secondary
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petermolnar the last time I tried it took <10s for that bind install to participate in echo attacks :/
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Loqi +1
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk for a while I was running my own bind server but it was only accessible to the Linode servers that were syncing from it
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aaronpk i gave up on that and just use Linode DNS directly now :-/
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snarfed !!! indie all the way down
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snarfed which was more fun, DNS or email deliverability? :P
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aaronpk "Fun"
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aaronpk i gave up both last year. Email was way worse
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snarfed yup
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petermolnar I disagree; email has a lot of components, but the initial postfix+dovecot setup is simpler than bind
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petermolnar though it's possible handling mail for more, than a decade left some marks on me
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snarfed petermolnar: email *deliverability*
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sknebel that seems to be one of those things that either work for you or don't
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snarfed eh no, it's doable, just a ton of work (DKIM, DomainKeys, etc) and black magic and a moving target
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[kevinmarks] Yes indeed. I had to help my son understand it for his job a few months back, and it is a dark art indeed
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sknebel the black art is what I meant with "works for you or don't". Some people seem set everything up and it works reliably for years, others are all the time hunting issues, without any clear info why
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aaronpk mine worked for years until it started sending bounce spam
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[kevinmarks] Another dark art is email compatible html
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sknebel for those using .dev domains for testing, Google announced that those will be added to the HSTS preload lists and thus won't work without HTTPS anymore
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sknebel (thre is https://ssl.indieweb.org/ to get certs ;))
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Zegnat I read about that. I think someone said to switch from .dev to .test, would that help? Are there any “reserved” tlds to use for dev?
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[kevinmarks] Ownyourgram.com now wants a rel=me link?
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sknebel Zegnat: RFC2606: .test, .example, .invalid, the first one probably the best choice (not sure if any code actually rejects .exampele or .invalid)
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sknebel or use a subdomain of your domain
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aaronpk :sigh: google
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aaronpk oh well, at least i have SSL on all my .dev domains anyway
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: last year when I changed OwnYourGram to scraping instead of using the API i also changed the way the setup works to use rel=me links
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Zegnat It does feel a little odd to do GSTS for an entire tld. I will move to .test then.
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aaronpk but that was in may 2016
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aaronpk I think .local is also a reserved TLD
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sknebel for bonjour/mDNS!
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sknebel don't use it for other things!
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aaronpk oh
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aaronpk does it matter?
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aaronpk I decided to switch my dev domain setup to have the local copy of every live site I work on append .dev to the domain, so my local copy of my site is aaronparecki.com.dev for example
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sknebel if you really only use it on your local machine it might not matter, but over network it'll likely fail
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aaronpk the nice thing is I can make a wildcard cert for *.com.dev *.net.dev *.org.dev and I can use the same cert for everything ?
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sknebel it was common to use .local for active directory domains for a while, that caused horrible issues later on
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sknebel because newer devices didn't ask DNS for .local names anymore
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sknebel So thinking about it, .local is fine as long as you are aware of how it works and use it accordingly (e.g. if you want to use it across devices, use mDNS instead of putting it in a local DNS server etc)
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aaronpk hm k
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aaronpk i use a different TLD for stuff around my house. I only use .dev for laptop-only work
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sknebel there's also .localhost
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aaronpk so ugly tho
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[kevinmarks] I thought mDNS was transparent about .local
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[kevinmarks] Now I need to work out how to add a rel=me to known
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@m_ott @stefanjudis I'll definitely look into it! I don't have comments on my site ATM, “only” Webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/909529812376711169)
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