#dev 2017-10-23

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@MidlandsMaidens Post Pinging and Webmentions at Midlands Maidens Nottingham Escorts https://buff.ly/2yH8u7M https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMyMgy4UQAEn5_L.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/922266523636588545)
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[miklb] ^^ spam?
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@MidlandsMaidens Post Pinging and Webmentions at Midlands Maidens Nottingham Escorts - https://www.midlandsmaidens-escorts.com/post-pinger/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMyyJcmW4AAoxE6.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/922307902706208769)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: tantek spam ^
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@MidlandsMaidens Post Pinging and Webmentions at Midlands Maidens Nottingham Escorts - https://www.midlandsmaidens-escorts.com/post-pinger/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMy0fEdX0AAFOIz.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/922310473101475840)
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Zegnat Is it spam though, KartikPrabhu? They do seem to have a Webmention endpoint, and the blog post seems to talk about what it is
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KartikPrabhu huh!
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Zegnat Their blog is an interesting mix of escort related stuff, and things like blog posts about how to upload photos from your phone
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KartikPrabhu maybe they should use micropub then :P
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GWG Does this mean Webmentions have arrived?
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dgold snarfed: thank you! saw the bugfile
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petermolnar question/survey: when you send a reacji, do you mark it up as u-in-reply-to or u-like-of or even u-boomark-of?
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cweiske if I did I'd use reply
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sknebel petermolnar: in general they should be replies IMHO
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sknebel xception would be if you overload e.g. "heart emoji" with "like"
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sknebel but e.g. a ? doesn't fit bookmark or like
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petermolnar but then... u-like-of doesn't make any sense, does it? because essentially it's a u-in-reply-to ?
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sknebel I don't understand that reasoning, sorry
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sknebel with u-in-reply-to ? you'd suddenly force a specific post content
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sknebel and overload "reply" with multiple meaning
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sknebel s
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petermolnar `like` has moved from a single emoji (? on fb, ★/❤ on twitter, etc) to a range of emoji. when we wanted to figure out how indieweb would handle these the term `reacji` was introduced. In case I want to explicitly follow the silo examples, a reacji should be u-like-of with an optional, special reacji
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petermolnar however
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petermolnar most of the implementations support reacji as u-in-reply-to which become a reacji if the content is a single unicode character
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petermolnar following this logic, there should either be no u-like-of and it should be a u-in-reply to with the content of ? OR reacji should be u-like-of with a single unicode character as optional content
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sknebel I don't think silo examples of reacji are all "likes" (some of them are explicitly negative)
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sknebel they are replies, some of which also are the specific type of reply "like"
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dgold phew, snarfed, that response to the mastodon bug is a featureful suite of issues
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cweiske ?
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sknebel cweiske: I'm assuming they are talking about https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/5500
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Loqi [snarfed] #5500 ActivityPub 500 on inbox delivery of federated reply
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dgold oops - was afk - yes, that's what I was talking of
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dgold that the url of the single 'note' in Mastodon is not the Canonical Mastodon ID is, i think, problematic
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dgold and regardless, a SErver 500 in response to the issues cited doesn't seem (to me) to be appropriate
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sknebel dgold: you can easily discover the ID from it, so that shouldn't be a big deal
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dgold you can?
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dgold here's a single note: http://tinyurl.com/yaz6nysp [ https://mastodon.social/@dgold/98862730409351002 ]
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Loqi [Daniel Goldsmith ?] A 1.0 release ? nanopub, my micropub endpoint, now has updates and (un)deletes! https://github.com/dg01d/nanopub https://ascraeus.org/content/micro/1508525549
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dgold that links back to itself, via the date stamp, and there also a link to a 'web' version under 'open in web'
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dgold neither of those is a link to ... /users/dgold/statuses/98862730409351002
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sknebel it does both in the rel-alternate link, and if you request the page as activitystreams you get the object for it, with the accurate Id
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dgold ah
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dgold i see
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dgold that's not really helpful if writing a reply-to using omnibear or quill though
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dgold there's a plethora of different links in the source
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sknebel sure, but that
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sknebel s something bridgy fed or your other activitypub integration should be able to handle
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dgold there's an og:url that's different again
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dgold ... /users/dgold/updates/4623814
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[eddie] !tell petermolnar "because essentially it's a u-in-reply-to :thumbsup:" <- That is literally what I do in my web backend. I convert all received likes to reacji :thumbsup:
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar so it make sense for others as well, good to know
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Loqi petermolnar: [eddie] left you a message 2 minutes ago: "because essentially it's a u-in-reply-to :thumbsup:" <- That is literally what I do in my web backend. I convert all received likes to reacji :thumbsup:
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[eddie] Yep. That send, for sending likes, I just send a typical like-of and only if I want to send more specific emotion do I send reacji (because reacji support is so little)
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[eddie] So for example, most replies will be u-like-of: https://eddiehinkle.com/replies/
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[eddie] Although there is a ? and ? in there
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dgold i'm still struggling with the 'use-case' for putting likes on my site
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dgold isn't it just a weak bookmark?
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[eddie] A bookmark is something useful, a like is something emotionally connecting
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[eddie] For example, on Twitter I saw a video of a lion as a cub trying to roar. It was adorable. I don't want to bookmark that because it's not useful, but it is emotionally satisfying
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[eddie] So my filter is, is there some emotionally connection to this content? Then Like. If not, but it's useful information, then Bookmark
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dgold i saw that too! made me smile.
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[eddie] It was great ?
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[eddie] So in the future when I'm looking for something I know where to look based on if it is an emotional thing or a helpful thing
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petermolnar dgold you're not alone with the struggle; I'm in the middle or purging my bookmarks from my website and a blog entry, describing the what-why-how
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petermolnar in short, my opinion:
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[miklb] that’s a great way to break it down eddie
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[eddie] thanks miklb ?
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petermolnar a like is a templated reply where you don't want to make a conversation
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petermolnar a bookmark is for yourself only
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j4y_funabashi !tell aaronpk this week I am working on getting a demo microsub server up with the 'preview' action. I have a couple of questions and additions for the spec too for when you are around
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dgold petermolnar: but I think of a 'bookmark' as something awesome that I wish to draw people's attention to
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dgold maybe its my conception is off here
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[eddie] Part of the IndieWeb is everyone feels about things differently ?
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dgold like - http://tinyurl.com/yagy3a6y [ https://ascraeus.org/link/death-of-stalin-plays-russian-roulette-with-the-truth/ ]
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Loqi [•] Death of Stalin plays Russian Roulette with the Truth
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petermolnar ok, so imo, there should be 3 types of non-text reaction options: `vote`, `bookmark`, `reacji`
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[eddie] That said, I would probably lean towards a like in the instance of something I want to draw people's attention to
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petermolnar what you described is a vote
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dgold i guess you're correct - it's like the new thing on medium - clapping
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dgold so does a 'vote' get original content?
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petermolnar rephrase it please, I don't understand the question
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dgold the link I posted to my post about the movie Death of Stalin
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dgold there's original content/commentary from _me_ on the article linked to
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dgold does that form part of a 'like', or is it more of a 'bookmark' thing
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[eddie] I think that's a comment
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petermolnar this is where it gets muddy :) that, I'd consider a simple post, others a reply, yet others a review
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[eddie] I would do both a comment and a reacji/like if you wannted to recommend
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[eddie] For silo examples: I might comment on a Facebook post, but I also click "like" if I enjoyed the post/want others to see it
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[eddie] both/and
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petermolnar I don't know if and how we support multiple u-s of
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petermolnar as in what happens if a post is both a u-in-reply-to and a u-like-of
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dgold i think I've been out of silos too much to know how people use them anymore
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dgold well, faecbook at least
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petermolnar oh, no, it's just simply a terrible mess
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petermolnar each silo has it's own interpretation
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[eddie] yeah, petermolnar, I would do two seperate posts. A reply post and a reacji post
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[eddie] and yes, they are all very different and even each person uses things differently
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dgold [eddie]: but I'd be thinking that some readers might consider that close to spamming a feed
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dgold just realised that all the effort I went to in finding a friendly twitter cross-posting framework for nanopub is now wasted space.
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[eddie] by readers do you mean people or technology?
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[eddie] lol
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dgold both!
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[eddie] official Reader apps should definitely have spam algorithms but it should definitely take more than just a couple reply types to be considered spam.
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dgold i've spent a little while working with Huginn agents to scrape sites for full-content rss posts, and I've seen the ugly internals of what it uses to determine 'new content'
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sknebel Petermolnar: at least some do https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery
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dgold but you are correct in that it should take more than a couple
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sknebel Where properties have precedence over others
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sknebel (Confused me at first, when I tried to combine posts)
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sknebel What to publish where is another thing. E.g. likes could just not be on feeds if you don't want readers following them
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petermolnar which is what I'm doing
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dgold i shall need to make nanopub much more post-type aware
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dgold i hadn't really given thought to like-of
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tantek fascinating that some spammers have discovered "Webmention" as a keyword
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Loqi tantek: petermolnar left you a message 1 day, 2 hours ago: https://twitter.com/KyleTut/status/921802378134814720
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tantek lol
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sknebel spammers?
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sknebel like, the endless retweet bots or ...?
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tantek sknebel - no, folks advertising their business in twitter who then included unrelated keywords in their tweets so they get picked up by searches
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sknebel ah, ok. I was surprised the escort thing earlier today/yesterday was *not* an example of that ;)
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Zegnat Yeah, that was really funny. Their blog was interesting.
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snarfed petermolnar sknebel: indieweb reacji have always been in-reply-to (not like-of) afaik: https://indieweb.org/reacji#How_to
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dgold hey snarfed - was wondering, is there anyway to `configure` fed.brid.gy to use a different username?
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dgold e.g. dgold@mysite.com instead of me@mysite.com?
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snarfed dgold: hey! not yet but it's a good ask. lots of open questions to answer though. feel free to chime in on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/3
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Loqi [00dani] #3 Shouldn't always assume the username "me"
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sknebel dgold: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/3
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Loqi [00dani] #3 Shouldn't always assume the username "me"
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dgold oh dear, I should have read the issues more closely
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snarfed np1
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tantek snarfed I believe there is a use-case for indieweb reacji being *both* in-reply-to and like-of
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tantek see my example in the IndieWeb Examples of /reacji
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snarfed tantek: sure! i don't have a strong opinion on the ideal/normative answer. just mentioning that in-reply-to has been the de facto standard since the beginning afaik
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tantek snarfed, yes, in-reply-to is required, since a /reacji is a one "character" comment
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snarfed (having said that, though, adding like-of may only make sense for some reacji, e.g. not negative ones)
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tantek using 'like-of' in addition works in some cases as a fallback for those that don't (yet) support receiving a reacji
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tantek right
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tantek hence my realworld example there
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GWG Good day
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tantek looks like it's going to be another morning of hunting for abusive bots in my server logs - once again bandwidth usage is spiking for no good reason
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snarfed bots--
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Loqi bots has -1 karma
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snarfed tantek++ #hugops
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Loqi tantek has 16 karma in this channel (393 overall)
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snarfed reminds me of https://github.com/snarfed/huffduff-video/#understanding-bandwidth-usage
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tantek note, nearly all my bandwidth is "text"
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tantek snarfed++ thanks for that
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Loqi snarfed has 15 karma in this channel (305 overall)
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tantek what are bots
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Loqi robots are automated scripts that crawl, search or perform multiple requests for information https://indieweb.org/bots
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tantek hmm I thought we had something on blocking bots already somewhere but all those pages are stubs
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tantek ah yes: https://indieweb.org/bandwidth#Dealing_with_bot_user_agents
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tantek bots << bandwidth#Dealing_with_bot_user_agents
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Loqi ok, I added "[[bandwidth]]" to the "See Also" section of /robots
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loqi.me edited /robots (+16) "tantek added "[[bandwidth]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek well that didn't work - it dropped the frag!
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tantek.com edited /robots (+69) "Undo revision 41304 by [[Special:Contributions/Loqi.me|Loqi.me]] ([[User talk:Loqi.me|talk]]) because Loqi dropped the frag, manually add see also with frag" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /bandwidth (+193) "/* Determining Excessive Bandwidth Use */ link huffduff-video: Understanding bandwidth usage as another helpful how to" (view diff)
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tantek it's definitely a challenge (or will eventually be) to anyone hosting their own site e.g. on a hosting service
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snarfed eh, depends. i'd actually expect it to only rarely hit the average user, if ever. definitely hits more prominent/popular sites regularly though, like you :P
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snarfed (average bandwidth quotas vary widely, but have gone up consistently over time)
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tantek snarfed, why would bots have incentive to hit my site more than any other random indieweb user / web host?
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snarfed tantek: oh i don't know that you have a higher bot ratio, i just expect your site is higher traffic overall
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tantek snarfed, I don't understand why the ratio would be the same either. I can understand more traffic from actual human readers, but not why bot traffic would go up proportionally
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tantek seem like very different use-cases
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snarfed sure. i'm not trying to say anything about the ratio at all, or why/when it would change, just about whether/how often the average user would hit their particular quota
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snarfed as a counter data point, snarfed.org is on a small shared hosting plan, $10/mo, i'm guessing similar to yours, and has never hit its bandwidth quota, since 2003
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tantek.com edited /Urbit (+61) "actually, js;dr" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed, what am I doing to attract more bot traffice?
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snarfed got me!
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tantek hey Kaja why didn't you edit / update /Urbit ?
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snarfed out of curiosity, what's your bandwidth quota?
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tantek sknebel: ^^^ note the edit put "is URL" in the dfn
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sknebel tantek: only new pages
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tantek snarfed: MONTHLY DATA TRANSFER LIMIT: 98.8281 GB
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tantek and CURRENT DATA TRANSFER USAGE: 79.5777 GB
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tantek sknebel: any way to trigger it?
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snarfed sounds like a reasonable shared hosting quota. just checking.
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sknebel tantek: not yet, no
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tantek.com edited /Urbit (+10) "link name" (view diff)
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sknebel re bandwidth, having a domain that's widely linked sounds like it should lead to more random traffic coming your way (e.g. the indieweb wiki link to the mumble server immediately lead to bunch of spiders going there)
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tantek interesting ok. so more inbound links = more bot crawler traffic. makes sense.
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sknebel (should add a robots.txt for those infrastructure domains I guess)
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tantek sure
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dgold ugh, what is php smoking?
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sknebel hm, the major hosters here don't even explicitly tell you their limits anymore, thats a bit annoying
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dgold Catchable Fatal Error: Argument 1 passed to decode_input() must be an instance of string, string given
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snarfed btw tantek depending on how much time you spend fighting bots, and how much you value your time, you could also just throw money at it
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snarfed e.g. cloudflare is $.10/GB/mo, so adding 100GB/mo capacity would cost just $10/mo. https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/#compare-features
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snarfed totally up to you of course, and understanding and documenting the problem for other people is a worthy goal, but may be low ROI if it only hits high traffic sites
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+174) "Unsorted Examples" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Urbit (-131) "not worth its own page because no one cared enough to even define it nevermind why it is relevant to the indieweb. so just another rando js;dr site no one cares about" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+65) "/* Unsorted Examples */ decentralizedtech" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /decentralize.tech (+36) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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aaronpk !tell dgold re: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-10-21/1508610459552000 Correct, it requires a POST to trigger the distribution. Is that not clear from the docs? or did you just not find the docs? https://switchboard.p3k.io/docs
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi aaronpk: j4y_funabashi left you a message 5 hours, 8 minutes ago: this week I am working on getting a demo microsub server up with the 'preview' action. I have a couple of questions and additions for the spec too for when you are around
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Loqi [dgold] aaronpk: working on getting switchboard working as a websub for the federation that snarfed is working on
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aaronpk omg
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aaronpk is this the first webmention spam?
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aaronpk https://adactio.com/journal/6469/
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Testing webmentions
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aaronpk that article from yesterday looks like a real article written by an actual person, but the other two no longer link to jeremy's pos
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aaronpk t
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sknebel ... could be
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aaronpk is reading that bitcoin twitter rant thread
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snarfed /unsub
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aaronpk some of those points are applicable to indieweb stuff too
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/NelsonMRosario/status/921551847965458437
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@NelsonMRosario 1/ trusted intermediaries are sometimes great (twitter.com/_/status/921551847965458437)
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aaronpk archive.org, bridgy
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aaronpk lots of potential for trusted intermediaries for Vouch as well
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/NelsonMRosario/status/921556389104902144
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@NelsonMRosario 9/ if people really want widespread adoption they need to realize not everyone wants to be their own bank (twitter.com/_/status/921556389104902144)
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aaronpk s/bank/website
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/NelsonMRosario/status/921556980573106176 at least we get this one right
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@NelsonMRosario @ReformedBroker 11/ blockchains are not building an alternative system, they're complementing the current one, sorry. At least this is more user up. (twitter.com/_/status/921556980573106176)
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snarfed good points!
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aaronparecki.com edited /monoculture (+161) (view diff)
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aaronpk !tell j4y_funabashi I'm back in town, happy to talk Microsub this week! I'm hoping to make a bit of time to start prototyping something too
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk re: bandwidth, i've had great luck so far with adding cloudflare in front of my avatars. i'm going to wait til the end of the 30 day period and write up a post with stats
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aaronpk and i'm caught up yay
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snarfed huh. i interpreted cloudflare's bandwidth pricing as $.10/GB based on the Performance section in https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/#accordionPerformanceArrow , but https://www.cloudflare.com/cdn/ claims it's flat fee
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snarfed aaronpk do you know how it works?
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aaronpk they have a free plan that has limited capabilities
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aaronpk you don't get any of the fancy cloudflare stuff but you do get https
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aaronpk https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/
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aaronpk "We offer a Free plan for small personal websites, blogs, and anyone who wants to evaluate Cloudflare."
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snarfed right, i was looking through that for bandwidth usage details specifically
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sknebel at the top of the table?
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sknebel that's for their smart routing product
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aaronpk the only thing related to bandwidth i can find is "First 500k DNS requests are free.
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aaronpk $.50 per every 500k DNS requests after"
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aaronpk whoops newline
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snarfed right, nothing explicit on that page, but "Flat Bandwidth Pricing" on https://www.cloudflare.com/cdn/ implies...bandwidth is unmetered, and pricing is based on other features?
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snarfed hard to believe
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aaronpk well I will report back in a month :D
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aaronpk so far i'm at 24gb in 10 days
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snarfed heh thanks! i mostly hope tantek signs up; he's too valuable to waste days or weeks every year playing bot whack-a-mole on his site manually
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sknebel they throw people out/force them to upgrade to a paid plan if it gets to much (especially if someone is regularly under attack) from what I hear, but they'll eat quite a bit of traffic
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aaronpk there are some considerations before i'd be willing to put my whole site behind it, mainly being careful about how it handles the webmention and micropub endpoints and my admin interface
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aaronpk but offloading the avatars to a new domain offloaded a lot of traffic
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sknebel (and being a caching CDN they don't guarantee anything in regards to actually having stuff in cache, and explicitly don't want to be used for domains that are not websites, but just assets of some kind)
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tantek what is a code monoculture
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "code monoculture" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek code monoculture is /monoculture
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /code_monoculture (+24) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek thread https://twitter.com/mikejcasey/status/922461645229690880
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@mikejcasey Facebook’s Master Algo should scare you. There’s something forebodingly Orwellian about having a single codebase shape our culture this way https://twitter.com/mims/status/922101092313370629 (twitter.com/_/status/922461645229690880)
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tantek https://twitter.com/mims/status/922101092313370629
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@mims Inside Facebook's Master Algorithm https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how-facebooks-master-algorithm-powers-the-social-network-1508673600 (twitter.com/_/status/922101092313370629)
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tantek sounds worth documenting
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tantek what is the Facebook Master Algorithm
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Facebook Master Algorithm" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Facebook Master Algorithm is the name given to [[Facebook]]'s algorithm for determining what content to show in Facebook's reader (AKA News Feed shown on their logged-in [[homepage]]), also adopted and tweaked by [[Instagram]] for their reader (app home screen). https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how-facebooks-master-algorithm-powers-the-social-network-1508673600
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Facebook_Master_Algorithm (+391) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek what is Facebook's Master Algorithm
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jjuran what is Facebook Master Algorithm
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Loqi Facebook Master Algorithm is the name given to Facebook's algorithm for determining what content to show in Facebook's reader (AKA News Feed shown on their logged-in homepage), also adopted and tweaked by Instagram for their reader (app home screen) https://indieweb.org/Facebook_Master_Algorithm
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jjuran see also Master Control Program
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tantek lol
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tantek yeah that's going to get a graphic put on the page
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jjuran :-D
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aaronpk lol
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tantek Facebook Master Algorithm << https://twitter.com/mims/status/922101092313370629
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@mims Inside Facebook's Master Algorithm https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how-facebooks-master-algorithm-powers-the-social-network-1508673600 (twitter.com/_/status/922101092313370629)
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loqi.me edited /Facebook_Master_Algorithm (+70) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/mims/status/922101092313370629" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook_Master_Algorithm
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tantek monoculture << Facebook Master Algorithm
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Facebook Master Algorithm]]" to the "See Also" section of /monoculture
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loqi.me edited /monoculture (+32) "tantek added "[[Facebook Master Algorithm]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek Facebook Master Algorithm << 2017-10-23 @mikejcasey: [https://twitter.com/mikejcasey/status/922461645229690880 Facebook’s Master Algo should scare you. There’s something forebodingly Orwellian about having a single codebase shape our culture this way]
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@mikejcasey Facebook’s Master Algo should scare you. There’s something forebodingly Orwellian about having a single codebase shape our culture this way https://twitter.com/mims/status/922101092313370629 (twitter.com/_/status/922461645229690880)
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loqi.me edited /Facebook_Master_Algorithm (+229) "tantek added "2017-10-23 @mikejcasey: [https://twitter.com/mikejcasey/status/922461645229690880 Facebook’s Master Algo should scare you. There’s something forebodingly Orwellian about having a single codebase shape our culture this way]" to "See" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-10-23 @mikejcasey: [https://twitter.com/mikejcasey/status/922461645229690880 Facebook’s Master Algo should scare you. There’s something forebodingly Orwellian about having a single codebase shape our culture this way]" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook_Master_Algorithm
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tantek monoculture << 2017-10-23 @el33th4xor: [https://twitter.com/el33th4xor/status/922469133211578368 Code monocultures are dangerous. Centrally controlled services pose an existential threat to our democracies and social lives.]
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@el33th4xor Code monocultures are dangerous. Centrally controlled services pose an existential threat to our democracies and social lives. https://twitter.com/mikejcasey/status/922461645229690880 (twitter.com/_/status/922469133211578368)
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-10-23 @el33th4xor: [https://twitter.com/el33th4xor/status/922469133211578368 Code monocultures are dangerous. Centrally controlled services pose an existential threat to our democracies and social lives.]" to the "See Also" section of /monoculture
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loqi.me edited /monoculture (+212) "tantek added "2017-10-23 @el33th4xor: [https://twitter.com/el33th4xor/status/922469133211578368 Code monocultures are dangerous. Centrally controlled services pose an existential threat to our democracies and social lives.]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk++ for surfacing that tweet chain / thread
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Loqi aaronpk has 79 karma in this channel (1448 overall)
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tantek wait do you have a separate search running for "monoculture"?!?
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aaronpk ha no i think i found it from reading this channel backlogs?
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tantek what is engineering monoculture
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "engineering monoculture" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek engineering monoculture is /monoculture
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loqi.me created /engineering_monoculture (+24) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk huh now i have no idea how i found that
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tantek ooh this is pretty good: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%22engineering%20monoculture%22%20OR%20%22code%20monoculture%22
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tantek good s/n that is
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tantek https://twitter.com/vruz/status/320343004126797824
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@vruz Blink is bad, Blink is good. The case against code monoculture backs the fork http://www.project-disco.org/competition/040513-stick-a-fork-in-that-browser-breakup-story-its-done/ #blink #webkit (twitter.com/_/status/320343004126797824)
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tantek what is Facebook Master Algo
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Facebook Master Algo" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Facebook Master Algo is /Facebook_Master_Algorithm
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loqi.me created /Facebook_Master_Algo (+38) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is Facebook Newsfeed algo
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Facebook Newsfeed algo" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Facebook Newsfeed algo is /Facebook_Master_Algorithm
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Facebook_Newsfeed_algo (+38) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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gRegorLove schmarty: I didn't seem to get a webmention from this: https://martymcgui.re/2017/10/22/090600/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] ★ Favorited https://gregorlove.com/2017/10/enjoyed-the-finestcityimpro-show-tonight/
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[kevinmarks] Maybe midlands maidens were using Jeremy's post because they hadn't found webmention.rocks
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tantek.com edited /The_Social_Network (+99) "Parodies" (view diff)
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tantek kevinmarks wait did they spam Jeremy's post?
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aaronpk Yeah!
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aaronpk Look at the permalink I shared
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aaronpk could be a test tho
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tantek all I saw was the tweet
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aaronpk https://adactio.com/journal/6469/
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Testing webmentions
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tantek oh dear
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tantek and looks like he never tweeted that post either
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aaronpk But their one post is actually about webmention and doesn't even appear to be a copy paste
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tantek aaronpk I'm not seeing a link on either of the other two posts to adactio tho
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tantek curious if submitting those other post permalinks would remove them
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aaronpk Me either
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aaronpk I don't think he implemented delete
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tantek let's see if adactio has implemented delete
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tantek I tried submitting all three
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tantek the two (currently) without links to the post had no effect
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tantek expected: those two comments removed per Webmention delete protocol
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tantek the third (with the link) caused a slight change - the date was updated for the "comment" displayed on adactio's post, and it was moved to the bottom
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tantek so he's implemented at least either part of Webmention update, or is de-duplicating at least when the same URL is seen more than once
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tantek aww
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tantek !tell snarfed welcome we're chatting about the first documented examples of webmention spam - see 2017 comments on adactio's post here: https://adactio.com/journal/6469
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Testing webmentions
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tantek aaronpk whoa they appear to have implemented a Webmention submission form!
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tantek "Respond on your own site? Send us a Webmention by writing something on your website that links to this post and then enter your post URL below. "
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tantek where "Webmention" links to https://indieweb.org/webmention
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tantek right after their comment form on blog posts
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gRegorLove That's generated by the WP Webmention plugin
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GWG Yes.
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GWG It's an option we merged into the plugin. Used to be separate
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@t @adactio consider adding #Webmention delete+update support: https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/#updating-existing-webmentions Only one recent above ... http://tantek.com/t4r21 (twitter.com/_/status/922604068224221184)
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tantek well lets see if that works :)
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[miklb] if you are using brid.gy though you can’t easily do a delete+update (granted I’m coming into this conversation without reading scrollback)
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tantek miklb, "you are using brid.gy" evaluates to false in the context of the above conversation
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[miklb] gotcha
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tantek it's pure site-to-site webmention in that example (that I replied to)
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tantek Loqi just happens to be picking up my tweet copy of my reply before the superfeedr notification (for some reason)
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tantek (which itself does not reply to another tweet, because adactio never tweeted that webmention test post)
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