#dev 2017-11-07

2017-11-07 UTC
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@John316Network http://bit.ly/LPDoor - The Door is free. #IARTG #Kindleebooks #mustread #readers #Kindletouch #indieauth #IAN1pic.twitter.com/8LCenVAYrJ (twitter.com/_/status/927755650993569793)
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[pfefferle] good morning
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Loqi *yawn*
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@mcbig_cz @indiewebcamp Hi, there, your http://indieauth.com not check sites which are only on #IPv6 :-( (twitter.com/_/status/927838540964286464)
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sknebel Zegnat: ^^^ that tweet kind of reminds me of our "project" last night
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Zegnat Glad i didn't go IPv6 only then, right ;)
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@martijnvdven @mcbig_cz @indiewebcamp http://IndieAuth.com isn't available on IPv6 itself either ? Maybe open an issue? https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues (twitter.com/_/status/927840925287579649)
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Zegnat jeremycherfas did I just read you also moved servers?
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jeremycherfas Yes.
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Zegnat Any particular reasons?
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Zegnat I just finished moving hosting last night, so it stood out :) https://licit.li/5a00f446234ba
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jeremycherfas It was really foolish. I had moved to a VPS on DreamHost, and was seeing the benefit on my little sites that I hosted there. And I also had a big site that I co-manage (>7000 posts) on DreamPress. So I thought it would be a good idea to move that to my VPS.
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jeremycherfas It was a disaster. I really do not know enough to optimise WP on my VPS.
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jeremycherfas So I started to move it back to DreamPress.
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jeremycherfas And while that has gone pretty well, it has also had some very weird problems that I have bnever seen before, like being unable to retrieve that stylesheets and other resources. It must be something to do with Varnish caching but I cannot figure out what.
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jeremycherfas Also, for a while I could not see any images on the site. They were giving 404s too. Now I can see them, but not the thumbnails in the media directory.
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jeremycherfas So, lots of little things that need to be fixed and that I cannot seem to find answers to myself, so I have to keep waiting for DreamHost support.
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Zegnat Aah, that sucks.
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jeremycherfas I suspect there may be some odd redirects in htaccess, but as I didn't write them, I want DreamHost to sort them out.
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Zegnat I probably also have done subpar nginx configurations. Wouldn't have made the move to VPS at all of it wasn't for the IndieWebCamp support I had to fall back on
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Zegnat Yes, especially with the move being within their ecosystem they should be able to help
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GWG I have to put in a time investment on my VPS
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GWG The log system needs an update
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GWG I'm overdue to check my SSL test score. Sometimes I think tantek is right about a self-hosting tax
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GWG Conversely, that's how I learn about things. By building/rebuilding them
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Zegnat I'm glad to have done this now, with someone at my side to discuss it with. I feel like I can now start move other stuff over by myself.
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GWG Zegnat: If you ever want to discuss, I always find discussions inspire me to finally prioritize things I've not yet
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Zegnat I am currently just running the default nginx/certbot SSL set-up. I might strengthen it, but if you are fine with defaults I don't think it added much of a tax on me.
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sknebel thanks to the great testing tools available and mozilla and others sharing recommendations, SSL has become a lot easier to handle than it was
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Zegnat You just remembered me I need to check out my logging GWG. This conversation is already helpful! Haha
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sknebel and the defaults (current) Debian shipped with on Zegnat's site were quite good
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Loqi Zegnat: lol
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sknebel and david.shanske.com gets A+ ssllabs score, so I guess you already looked at that a while back :)
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Zegnat Yes, it seemed even certbot (at least on my Debian) by default handles renewal now. So it was even easier than I expected!
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GWG sknebel: I did.
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jeremycherfas GWG the self-hosting tax is very real, and I'm surprised people don't make more of it.
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jeremycherfas Hosts mostly compete on bottom line price per GB or bandwidth. But the ones that sell ease of use, rather than, say, responsiveness, make it difficult to sell a better service.
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jeremycherfas Let's Encrypt was a game-changer for me.
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Zegnat I think the only real annoyance we bumped into was that most stable operating systems do not offer PHP 7.1 packages out of the box.
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Zegnat But I could very well be missing some tax that applies to less tech inclined people than me
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petermolnar !tell aaronpk just out of curiosity why is your post-list a ul and all the h-entries li-s?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk not really sure heh
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aaronpk i guess cause it's a list of posts?
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petermolnar that is unquestionably true
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Zegnat For a paginated feed, I guess screen readers will this way announce the amount of articles on the page
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Zegnat Though whether anyone using a screen reader would expect this...
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dgold hmmm, qualsys only gives me an A rating
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petermolnar what is qualsys?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "qualsys" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat I am guessing https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ petermolnar
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dgold Qualys
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dgold my apologies
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jeremycherfas I see Petermolnar just used it.
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petermolnar I used that a while ago
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petermolnar sometimes it worth revisiting
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jeremycherfas Well, you were top of the list I just saw.
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petermolnar A+, I'm fine with that
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jeremycherfas I only got an A for the site I've been wrestling with for the past few days. Apparently my key exzchange and cipher strength are weak.
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dgold dave winer's been back beating the anti-https drum recently
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jeremycherfas And I'm fine with that.
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petermolnar dave winer has been beating lots of drums
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petermolnar I would not listen to his drums
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Zegnat I get a B with default nginx and certbot.
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petermolnar jeremycherfas nginx or apache?
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jeremycherfas Apache
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petermolnar I can't help with that :(
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jeremycherfas :)
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jeremycherfas And an A for my personal site too. So I'm basically as happy as I'll ever be.
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tantek what is a GUID
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Loqi GUID is an acronym for Globally Unique Identifier, typically a 128-bit number that used to uniquely reference or identify something https://indieweb.org/GUID
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tantek.com edited /GUID (+777) "put debunking of GUIDs in the dfn, provide specific quotes from Waxy article / experience in migration" (view diff)
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tantek what is a GUID
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Loqi A GUID or Globally Unique Identifier is a (typically) 128-bit number to uniquely reference or identify something; on the IndieWeb, GUIDs are encouraged in some feed file formats as supposedly more persistent than permalinks but in practice GUIDs have been less portable and harder to preserve/migrate/restore than permalinks https://indieweb.org/GUID
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aaronparecki.com edited /hwcpdx (+14) "hwcpdx november is cancelled :(" (view diff)
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snarfed just fyi, FB graph API v2.11 is out. i don't see anything particularly relevant to us. https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/changelog/version2.11
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[miklb] speaking of APIs since Twitter is rolling out 280 to everyone, has that been mentioned for the API?
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snarfed [miklb]: not that i've seen. https://blog.twitter.com/developer/ , https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/773
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tantek [miklb] yeah I have 280 in the web UI but was unable to get my code to be able to post >140 chars via the API
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[miklb] figured it was too soon since they are just rolling it out to everyone right now
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snarfed eh that's no excuse for delaying the API. guess it's just still a second class citizen, as usual for them :/
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tantek I had hoped optimistically that the API would "just work" for me with a larger post, but no, got the error of it being too big :(
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Zegnat There might be an API way... As there was the guy who posted a several k tweet
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[miklb] I thought that was some unicode voodoo
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[kevinmarks] No, it was a url with a really long domain
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[miklb] ah
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tantek yeah that's nothing to do with 280
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tantek you've been able to shove stuff into long URLs for a long time
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:twitter-character-counter-2017.gif]]" https://indieweb.org/File:twitter-character-counter-2017.gif"
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@skamdaliza @nick_lly @jikooklast @fudidoskam @wolvezselena @lilxrchl @alwxiasr BERRO NICK A GNT TEM 520 WEBMENTIONS SO ME CONFIRMA (twitter.com/_/status/928045737325350913)
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[miklb] https://twitter.com/Twitterrific/status/928046008638103553
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@Twitterrific Twitter is upping the character limit to 280 & making it available to third-party apps like ours. Hang in there, we’re on it! ? #iOS #macOS (twitter.com/_/status/928046008638103553)
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tantek hmm I wonder if they're going to whitelist apps
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/magicalfeyfenny/status/928048089469935616
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@magicalfeyfenny i know twitter's jealous of mastodon for having 500 characters and not having nazis, but did they have to half-ass both by only giving 280 characters and not banning their nazis? (twitter.com/_/status/928048089469935616)