#dev 2018-01-13

2018-01-13 UTC
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tantek heads-up indieweb innovators - OSCON is returning to Portland in 2018 and CFP is open til the 30th! https://twitter.com/oscon/status/951137060475334657
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@oscon #OSCON is returning to Portland and we want to hear from you! The CFP is now open - deadline to submit is January 30 http://oreil.ly/2AToMN7 (twitter.com/_/status/951137060475334657)
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GWG What is a good way to handle Fahrenheit vs Celsius for website visitors?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "good way to handle Fahrenheit vs Celsius for website visitors" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "good way to handle Fahrenheit vs Celsius for website visitors is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek GWG perhaps take a look at how Dark Sky approaches that UX problem
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GWG I was going to move on from weather, but I apparently inconvenienced a large percentage of the world by not displaying in Celsius
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GWG Maybe I should store everything in Kelvin and convert on the fly.
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[miklb] user option which to display is most common in weather apps
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GWG But storage vs display is something I have to decide
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[miklb] store both?
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GWG I will think about that
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bear if the user exposes location, use that otherwise you use the default of where the weather is
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GWG bear: Other than the US, who uses Fahrenheit?
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bear bahamas, belize, cayman, palau
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bear confirmed via wikipedia: "By the end of the 20th century, Fahrenheit was used as the official temperature scale only in the United States (including its unincorporated territories), its freely associated states in the Western Pacific (Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia and the Marshall Islands), the Bahamas, Belize, and the Cayman Islands.[3] All other countries in the world now use the Celsius scale, ..."
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bear what i've done in the past, if the location is not sniffable, is to put C as the default and use the hover tip to be F
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aaronpk Don't most things let the user choose which to use? As long as you Store which unit is used then it doesn't matter which is stored
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tantek yeah C is a good default
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KartikPrabhu personally I use Rankine
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KartikPrabhu jk
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KartikPrabhu in other news https://twitter.com/mariobreskic/status/952060921920348160
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@mariobreskic @espiekermann Social media has managed to turn itself from a means to connect people globally, into the end of a mob society cherished by plebeians. There is only one cure for this: bring back the personal homepage and turn social media into rss3.0. (twitter.com/_/status/952060921920348160)
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tantek lol with the plumbing fetishism
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KartikPrabhu "turn social media into blockchain3.0." there fixed it ;)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: the expression is FTFY :)
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KartikPrabhu what is FTFY?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FTFY" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "FTFY is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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KartikPrabhu oops
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tantek what are notifications
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Loqi notifications in the context of the IndieWeb refer to all forms and ways that an independent web site can receive a message indicating something of interest (server notifications), and potentially relay that information (preferably in realtime) to one or more devices used by the owner of that site (client notifications) https://indieweb.org/notifications
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tantek notifications << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Notifications
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Loqi ok, I added "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Notifications" to the "See Also" section of /notification
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tantek KartikPrabhu: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/FTFY#Phrase (not indieweb specific)
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KartikPrabhu aah ha
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KartikPrabhu should catch up with all the new interwebs lingo
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[kevinmarks] I'd have thought that you would use eV for temperature
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KartikPrabhu [kevinmarks]: I have considered switching to Planck units but converting from Rankine is hard
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dgold I'm trying to use openweathermap for weather, but it refuses point blank to provide me with temps
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GWG dgold: Really? I used that for my first try
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GWG It didn't give me any trouble
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dgold GWG - caught the bug!
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dgold now functioning -- you say you used it for the first try; can I ask why you stopped using it?
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dgold i've been playing with owm, darksky & wunderground
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GWG dgold: I didn't.
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GWG I intend to write in support for multiple providers
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dgold the APIs are all quite different
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dgold the wunderground one in particular; and the available php libraries for wunderground are also not as 'nice' as owm & darksky
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GWG I write a compatibility layer for everything that goes into a set format
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GWG That's why it took development time.
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[miklb] I have the oddest bug with my fastcgi cache. Somewhere along the lines permissions get borked and then webmentions throw a 500. I have my www-data user/group set for the permissions, which I thought should cover it, but I apparently not. I’ve had to go back and reset those permissions to fix. Anyone good with permissions have any thoughts?
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snarfed [miklb]: that might happen whenever fastcgi gets upgraded and reinstalled. just a hunch
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[miklb] hmm. I did apt-get upgrade linux-base yesterday
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[miklb] which updated a lot of the php “stuff”
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[miklb] thanks snarfed. I’ll keep an eye on that next time I update my Debian packages.
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[miklb] Its weird, when that error starts, Bridgy keeps sending the same mention, but micro.blog silently failed in sending any WM
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[miklb] well, silently on the front end. I didn’t look at the logs
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[kevinmarks] Wunderground seems to be down at the moment - the app keeps dying on me
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dgold fecking golang driving me around the bend at the minute
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dgold illegal number syntax: "-"
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dgold ...
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dgold like... what sort of an error message is that?
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Zegnat And that’s why PHP is just *better*
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Zegnat ducks, rolls, and hides
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dgold oh, it _is_, Zegnat, it really is
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dgold stable code base? what kind of lunatics would want that, eh?
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Zegnat I think Go has a proper HTML parser though, which would be nice to have
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dgold got it
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dgold haha! take that you errant breaking space!
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Loqi nice
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dgold note to self: use a proper font when coding
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dgold i was playing about with that vt-220 glass font thing again
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Zegnat Maybe try http://unifraktur.sourceforge.net/maguntia.html dgold? ;)
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dgold lol!
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dgold good lord, I can't imagine using that for coding
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dgold it works!
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dgold I made a weather thing.
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Zegnat Woo!
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dgold and it was a lot easier than I'd imagined
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[miklb] dgold++
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Loqi dgold has 7 karma in this channel (26 overall)
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dgold hey! nice!
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dgold thanks miklib!
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Zegnat Ah, Loqi is doing karma again?
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Zegnat dgold++
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Loqi dgold has 8 karma in this channel (27 overall)
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dgold 'tis to be regretted that I didn't do a 2018-01 thing
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