#dev 2018-01-24

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gRegorLove
Hm, got a 502 Bad Gateway response on that ^
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aaronpk
but it worked anyway?
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aaronpk
odd, probably something about the large file size
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aaronpk
hm, i'm thinking I should move my grid images into a separate file rather than inlining the SVG, since it seems to be confusing things
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aaronpk
I just realized that my own plaintext conversion of the "HTML" has resulted in the contents of the <style> tag being the plaintext
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aaronpk
strip_tags is stripping the <style> tag but keeping the contents I guess
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tantek
right it's strip_tags, not strip_elements :)
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tantek
also you can put the <style> tag contents in <!-- --> for HTML
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tantek
or in a CDATA block for XML
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aaronpk
oh let me see if cdata fixes it since I should do that anyway
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tantek
like: <style type="text/css">/*<![CDATA[*/ p { color:gray; } /*]]>*/</style>
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KartikPrabhu
still hates all that escaping syntax
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KartikPrabhu
j12t: sent a PR to fix indietech logo (I hope) https://github.com/indietechrocks/indietech.rocks/pull/13
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Loqi
[kartikprabhu] #13 change href in <use> to xlink:href
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j12t
kartikprabhu how did you figure this one out?
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gRegorLove
Does xray.p3k.io have a pretty-print option via query param?
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KartikPrabhu
j12t: lots of Google searching :P
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gRegorLove
nvm, trial and error worked. ?pretty=1
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KartikPrabhu
strangely, I was using the xlink:href syntax on my own site since the beginning, but had forgotten about it :P
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j12t
ok, let's try it
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j12t
Actually, this will take a ew minutes, I have a git setup problem here.
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KartikPrabhu
j12t: no rush
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KartikPrabhu
let me know if it works or doesn't on Safari
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j12t
KartikPrabhu: hmm .. afaict, it's the same on Safari but stopped working on Chrome and FF
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j12t
Yes, works on both Safari and FF.
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KartikPrabhu
hmm so now using it in a <img> tag does not work!
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j12t
(BTW, Safari doesn't like your SSL cert)
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KartikPrabhu
that is weird!
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KartikPrabhu
I am sure my cert is fine (I think)
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KartikPrabhu
judas preist! XML namespacing! <sigh>
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j12t
Cert worked in FF, but I needed to override in Safari.
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j12t
What shall we do about the svg? Inline?
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aaronpk
my safari handles the cert fine
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j12t
Oh? Now that is strange.
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KartikPrabhu
j12t: sending another possible fix for the SVG in a few min
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j12t
Here's what my Safari says: https://imgur.com/a/9oBBV
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j12t
I don't think I messed with my CA settings on this machine, but I won't exclude the possibility either ...
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aaronpk
how long since you've updated the OS?
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j12t
I'm on 10.11.6 (El Capitan) but not High Sierra.
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Loqi
[kartikprabhu] #14 add xml namespace for xlink to make valid
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aaronpk
I am 10.12.6
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j12t
KartikPrabhu: there are changes, but ... now the Safari logo looks like it did on FF in the early PR you sent. And FF has lost the white background.
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KartikPrabhu
oh my god!
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j12t
I spent a few hours on this myself month ago, and -- just like here -- I never recognized some causal relationship between a change and how it looked
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KartikPrabhu
j12t: do we need the background? The PNG can be moved into a <picture> thingie
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KartikPrabhu
i a assuming the background in the SVG exists to prevent showing the background PNG or something
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j12t
I have to remind myself how this worked ... I think the PNG was the fallback for Safari
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KartikPrabhu
yes. I think we can remove the background from the SVG so it will be transparent. The PNG can be used as a fallback using <picture>
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KartikPrabhu
I'll make those changes in a few and we can try
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j12t
I seem to remember we tried the <picture> fallback but that somehow didn't work either
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KartikPrabhu
because the SVG iteself failed. But now the SVG works with the xlink and namespace in it
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j12t
Worth a try
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronparecki.com
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j12t
KartikPrabhu: BTW, for easier testing than to go through github pages every time, if you install jekyll you can say "make" and it emits the files locally into directory _site, from where you can serve files locally
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KartikPrabhu
j12t: I tried installing Jekyll once and failed miseably :P
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j12t
It stopped working on my Mac, but it's like a charm on an Arch Linux VM I'm running on the same Mac.
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j12t
Old Ruby version on the Mac. But then, aaronpk wants me to upgrade anyway :-)
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j12t
KartikPrabhu: the "fill" attribute on the <use> for the background seems to be ignored.
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j12t
But we probably don't need that at all.
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j12t
Hey, what just happened?!? It looks like I have something working ... hang on
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Loqi
[kartikprabhu] #15 Kartikprabhu safari logo fix
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j12t
This is just about the same thing I played around with ... hang on
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j12t
Hmm, both browsers look good but the animation is gone.
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KartikPrabhu
intersting FF is picking up the PNG instead of the SVG weird!
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j12t
Yes. I just removed the <picture> and it seems to work!
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KartikPrabhu
oh! the attribute on <source> should be "srcset" not "src"
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KartikPrabhu
j12t: feel free to fix that. It seems my brain in beign slow :P
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j12t
We have been working as if sitting next to each other! I just did that locally with Jekyll and it works!
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j12t
Push coming ...
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j12t
Aahhhhh ......
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KartikPrabhu
yes! finally
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KartikPrabhu
now we can give back this channel :P
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j12t
Safari on iOS works, too.
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j12t
KartikPrabhu++ for great sleuthing
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Loqi
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KartikPrabhu
that took waaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than I expected!
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aaronpk
in ham radio speak, you would say "clear" :)
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KartikPrabhu
over and out
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j12t
worth a blog post ...
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KartikPrabhu
j12t: go for it! :)
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j12t
You did the work, you should.
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KartikPrabhu
haha, I have actual work to catch up on now :)
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Loqi
hehe
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KartikPrabhu
so feel free
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j12t
Duh, I am in the middle of refactoring a few 10's of thousands of lines of Java, so ...
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KartikPrabhu
haha! maybe over the weekend or something
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KartikPrabhu
mentally switching from HTML+CSS+SVG to Latex is exhausting
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j12t
Latex? That sounds like a thesis ...
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KartikPrabhu
j12t: paper more like
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aaronpk
that's why I wrote my book in html!
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j12t
Just reading through your CV ... not thesis any more, but publish or perish? :-)
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KartikPrabhu
sort of! :)
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: yes tell that to the science publishers
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KartikPrabhu
also lot of math
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aaronpk
that's what svg is for right? ;-)
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: lol! good luck writing math in SVG :P or mathml
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aaronparecki.com
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[kevinmarks]
You can mung latex into svg
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KartikPrabhu
[kevinmarks]: yes I know
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KartikPrabhu
at least I don't have to use Word
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loqi.me
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KartikPrabhu
what is woodwind
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Loqi
Woodwind is a minimalist open source indie reader by Kyle Mahan https://indieweb.org/Woodwind
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aaronpk
mblaney: have you seen any of the talk about Microsub? I’m curious if it’s something you’d be interested for your reader
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mblaney
hi aaronpk yes I've been following it's progress, it would be interesting to think about how to convert my reader to implement it.
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aaronpk
It's only really relevant to you if you want to be able to use other apps like eddie's iOS app to view the same data
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aaronpk
I'm always interested in input from people who are building stuff like this tho so I'd love to hear your thoughts!
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mblaney
I like using my website as my reader interface, so don't feel the need to work on it for that reason.
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mblaney
a standard communication protocol might help a user wanting to switch servers though? There will probably be lots of things it could help with.
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dgold
notes that you never _ever_ say 'Over and Out'
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dgold
'OVER' means "I am finished speaking and I am now waiting on your response"
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dgold
'OUT' means "I am finished speaking and I am not waiting for a reply"
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sknebel
keithjgrant++ for what (going by the torrent of github mails in my inbox) looks like a lot of progress on omnibear
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Loqi
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tommorris.org
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tommorris.org
edited /Lanyrd (+171) "/* Downtime */ 2018-01 RIP"
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tommorris.org
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[keithjgrant]
@sknebel thanks! Hoping to ship a v1.0 here in the next week or so 🐻
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[jeremycherfas]
dgold++ for new levels of pedantry. <Doffs hat>
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Loqi
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aaronparecki.com
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dgold
[jeremycherfas]: its totally off-topic, but having been a radio operator (briefly) it grates awfully when you hear such nonsense being used in TV/Movies
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dgold
like when there's a Military-type scenarion, and they use the word 'Repeat'
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dgold
in military sense, that means 'Whatever the last thing I told you to do was, do that again'
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jeremycherfas
No, no. I'm all for well-informed pedantry. So, what should they say? "Say again?"
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dgold
as opposed to 'SAY AGAIN'
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dgold
<- -chat
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronparecki.com
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dansup
:O ActivityPub is #1 on HackerNews
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Loqi
Aaron Parecki
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tantek
it says " There are no posts in this list "
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tantek
but that is not true
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tantek
more true would be " There are no more posts in this list "
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aaronpk
good point
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tantek
when you page off the end
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tantek
what is microcopy
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "microcopy" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "microcopy is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk
(I also want to make it not show the next page link in the first place, but that's harder)
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tantek
microcopy is small bits of text, a word, phrase, maybe a sentence, typically in a UI, designed to very quickly and simply communicate something about the UI without going into a lengthy glaze-over explanation. Due to its brevity, microcopy is often harder to write, and is considered a specific writing skill.
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loqi.me
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dgold
has anyone gotten strugee's lazymention to work?
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dgold
(looking for help/advice)
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tantek.com
edited /posting_interface (-310) "3+ year old unedited stub that links to /create and has a couple of redlinks; clearly lack of interest in expanding it, thus redirect to /create"
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aaronparecki.com
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strugee
greetings
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strugee
I hear from tantek that my services have been requested :P
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KartikPrabhu
what is consultant? ;)
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Loqi
A consultant is someone you can hire to help complete specific projects; there are a few consultants in the IndieWeb community that have experience helping people setup and maintain their own sites, and are available to help you do the same; details inside https://indieweb.org/consultant
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strugee
dgold: ping!
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strugee
KartikPrabhu: hehehe
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strugee
bear in mind that my laptop screen is broken so I'm typing on a terrible phone UI
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tantek
strugee oh no! not the laptop with all the awesome stickers!
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strugee
ikr!! ughh
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strugee
I'm waiting to hear back from the manufacturer
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strugee
heh that reminds me tantek, you're mentioned in my latest blog post *specifically* because of the stickers :P
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strugee
in theory you should've gotten a webmention
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tantek
probably did! somewhere lost in my homepage webmentions from Twitter
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strugee
heh, that'd do it. mine was a homepage mention too
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strugee
although I guess it wasn't a real mention, just a link. oops
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strugee
stops rambling and eats lunch
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aaronpk
twitter shows a link preview of the second link, right?
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aaronpk
er, last
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aaronpk
let's find out
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@aaronpk
Two exciting #openweb announcements today! 🎂 We're celebrating 1 million webmentions! https://snarfed.org/1-million-webmentions 🎉 Our @W3C WebSub REC and IndieAuth NOTE were just published! https://aaronparecki.com/2018/01/23/34/w3c-websub-indieauth
(twitter.com/_/status/956232846359736320)
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aaronpk
yep nice
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strugee
oh man, is the 1m party today??
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @calum_ryan: My site supports webmentions, and is hooked up to http://brid.gy for twitter and facebook replies too. I was the first person to post weather status
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strugee
dgold: I'm turning off IRC because it's draining my phone battery like nobody's business. however. feel free to file issues in the lazymention issue tracker! I'll also probably put irc in a `screen` or something and check that
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tantek
strugee yes it is!
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Loqi
Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @iamchrisburnell: this year is the year of writing content. I am using http://webmention.io at the moment - I'd like to add a micropub endpoiny
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strugee
tantek: that's incredible!! huge congrats to everyone <3
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tantek
strugee yes TODAY!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: in other news, we are celebrating one million webmentions https://snarfed.org/1-million-webmentions - and @calumn_ryan brought cupcakes
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: More news this week - WebSub (formerly known as PubSubHubbub) is a w3c REC and IndieAuth is a w3c NOTE https://aaronparecki.com/2018/01/23/34/w3c-websub-indieauth
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strugee
tantek: WHOOHOOOO
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letorey.co.uk
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letorey.co.uk
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dgold
strugee: I've installed lazymention, I've got it running - that's all okay.
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dgold
the port is open & listening - however there is zero response to any calls to the api
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strugee
dgold: hmm
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dgold
server listening on port: 12345
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strugee
does it show your requests coming in?
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dgold
nope, nothing
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strugee
or just pastebin your logs
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strugee
ummm. I'm in class atm so I can't really spare a lot of brain cycles to debug lol
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strugee
I'm done in a half hour though if you'll still be around?
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dgold
no problems at all :)
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@strugee2
ActivityPub is a W3C REC, WebSub is a REC too, and - AND(!!!) - the IndieWeb community is celebrating 1 million Webmentions sent!! Today is a good day for the federated social web, and I'm so proud and honored to be a part of these amazing communities &lt;3 https://pump.strugee.net/alex/note/m6d3KORYQZWcKuX4hBT0pA
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@kevinmarks
“One of the things I like most about the W3C standardization process is that specs are published after they describe things that are working, rather than published as an aspirational blueprint.” WebSub and IndieAuth Published on http://w3.org!… https://aaronparecki.com/2018/01/23/34/w3c-websub-indieauth
(twitter.com/_/status/956250223281561600)
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dgold
is there any MacOS share sheet micropub extension?
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KartikPrabhu
what is share sheet?
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Loqi
A Share Sheet is a sharing dialog listing many different sharing options for something https://indieweb.org/share_sheet
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strugee
dgold: ping!
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strugee
I'm out of class
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dgold
that's all I have
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strugee
I'm not an expert on httpie
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strugee
but does it switch to POSTs when you provide a parameter?
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strugee
http POST arbitary.ascraeus.org:28653/jobs/submit url=https://ascraeus.org/micro/1516031264/
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Loqi
[Daniel Goldsmith] For my first Micro Monday, I’d like to suggest @jamesshelley. Discovered his writing via the Discover tab on micro.blog and I am thankful to @manton for allowing me to do so.
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dgold
still timeout
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dgold
and I just used httpie to get a command line arg to paste; i've done it with postman & curl as well
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dgold
the call just vanishes *poof*
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strugee
yeah that is no good
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dgold
I cannae help it, captain! I dinnae hae the power, like.
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strugee
hahaha
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strugee
can you try turning up the log lever to `trace`?
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Loqi
nice
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strugee
and restarting?
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dgold
fair fa' your honest sonsie face, great chieftan o' the puddin-race
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dgold
log level in lazymention.json?
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strugee
"logLevel": "trace"
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dgold
nathing
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strugee
in the log?
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dgold
no new information
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dgold
however, he discovers, when i try it locally, it now works
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dgold
locally on the server upon which it is working
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strugee
*address
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strugee
is probably just set to localhost
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dgold
oh gods, I'm so sorry, strugee to have wasted your time
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strugee
don't worry about it!!! it's no problem
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dgold
ok, -now- i have an actual error to throw at you!
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strugee
oh good the hentries crawler
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strugee
what a disaster
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strugee
hmm can you file a bug? I'll fix it for now but really I should just rewrite that module from scratch lol
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dgold
will do. HTH, HAND
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strugee
great thx
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strugee
just include the URL and the stack trace, that's really all I need
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@tessaelaine2017
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strugee
spam...?
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@tessaelaine2017
💥LIVE LIVE LIVE💥 U-Turn (Bounty County Series Book 4) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0798PHS8R/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_4JoAAb8E5ND5D @MarenLeeRomance #UTurn #live #amazon #kindle #kindleunlimited #goodreads #indieauth #retweet #booknerds #booknerdigans #getyoursnow #oneclick #lovebooks #romance #lovetoread #mustread https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUVW-KYUMAAsyIT.jpg
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aaronpk
#indieauth
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@ChrisAldrich
sub·men·tion (noun informal): 1. A post about someone or something on a personal website where one neglects (accidentally or on purpose) to either send a webmention and/or syndicate a copy out to an appropriate social silo. [more...] http://boffosocko.com/2018/01/24/definition-of-submention/
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aaronpk
oh no, webmention feedback loop. what am I doing wrong.
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aaronpk
chris' site sent a webmention to me after my comment was displayed on his site
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aaronpk
that's correct
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aaronpk
ohh because my check for that case was only checking reply posts!
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chrisaldrich
Really!! I've been monkeying around lately and figured for sure I'd botched up the comments section....
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aaronpk
I think everything is fine on your side!
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chrisaldrich
time for some lunch then to celebrate....
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aaronpk
oh wow, I see why this hasn't happened before
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aaronpk
you're sending the webmention with a source URL that contains the comment ID, which is great but almost nobody else does that
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aaronpk
XRay takes that URL and parses the whole webmention as an h-entry that represents *my* comment, rather than an h-entry that represents your post
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aaronpk
which again, I think is the right thing to do
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aaronpk
k so I now ignore webmentions if the source url has a fragment ID and the h-entry URL is the same as the target URL
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inhji.de
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inhji.de
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[eddie]
!tell dgold no macOS share sheets that I know of yet that support micropub. Is there a specific reason you’re asking?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu
what is readeR?
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Loqi
A reader (or indie reader) in the context of the indieweb is the portion/feature integrated into an indieweb site that provides a way to read content from other indieweb sites, possibly including posts from the current site as well https://indieweb.org/reader
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KartikPrabhu
what is discovery?
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Loqi
Discovery for the IndieWeb is a set of algorithms to start with a URL like a home page or post permalink, and determine information about that URL, such as authorship, page-name, and date published https://indieweb.org/discovery
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tantek
interesting, just got a 403 from Twitter API
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tantek
{"errors":[{"code":186,"message":"Tweet needs to be a bit shorter."}]}
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tantek
couldn't they have told me how many characters shorter?
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tantek
(also means I need to investigate what my tweet length estimation code is doing wrong)
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aaronpk
"a bit" lol oh boy
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aaronpk
their character counting is all funny now
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tantek
I'm not doing anything funny
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aaronpk
probably counting wrong
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aaronpk
"Tweet length is measured by the number of codepoints in the NFC normalized version of the text"
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tantek
I only have one non-ASCII7 char: ’
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tantek
and that's in ASCII8
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aaronpk
well that's odd
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tantek
and I supposedly still have 7 chars left over
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tantek
two URLs
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aaronpk
no emoji?
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] Huge thanks to everyone who replied on 2018 @Firefox #CSS planning!We listened, with more input, here’s an in progress priority list:https://wiki.mozilla.org/CSS#2018_PrioritiesStill open to add/move things. Reply here or edit that and I’ll proce...
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tantek
followed by " (ttk.me t4sa1)"
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tantek
add the parens around the ttk.me
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tantek
I should say, the PSC
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aaronpk
oh yea
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aaronpk
still 9 left
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aaronpk
if I add an emoji it counts as 2
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Loqi
totally
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tantek
so now I'm very confused
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tantek
yes 9 is precisely the number that mine comes up with
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tantek
(well, 5, plus 4 extra for the overcompensation that PHP string counting is doing for the two ’ in the text)
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aaronpk
weird!
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tantek
ok so my code's math is the same (basically) as what you're seeing in their UI!
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tantek
removed one char, same err
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tantek
removed two char, same err
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tantek
rm 3 char, same
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tantek
4, same
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tantek
5, same
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tantek
6, same. this is ridiculous
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tantek
8, posted. WTF
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tantek
that is SO weird
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aaronpk
so it thought there were 17 chars available before it was able to post?
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tantek
that was the # of chars I was deleting
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tantek
I mean via the API
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tantek
I didn't keep retrying their web UI
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tantek
why 17?
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tantek
oh no I have a theory
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tantek
oh my goodness they changed something
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tantek
something big
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tantek
oh crap
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tantek
bad news for PSCs
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aaronpk
did ttk.me get autolinked?
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@t
Huge thanks to everyone who replied on 2018 @Firefox #CSS planning! We listened & sorted. Here’s an in progress priority list https://wiki.mozilla.org/CSS#2018_Priorities Still open to add/move things. Reply here or edit that and I’ll process! https://twitter.com/t/status/939273644043366400 (http://ttk.me t4sa1)
(twitter.com/_/status/956309856213970945)
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aaronpk
ha loqi expanded it too
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tantek
compared to the tweet before it
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tantek
dangit
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aaronpk
wow that *just* changed
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tantek
Y THO
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aaronpk
probably so recently that their UI counter hasn't updated for the new rules
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tantek
so, what happens then in the UI?
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aaronpk
I wonder if it fails!
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tantek
when it gets a 403 from their API?
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aaronpk
"Your Tweet needs to be a bit shorter."
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tantek
I need to post this
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tantek
do I just disable my ttk.me code now I guess?
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tantek
all PSLs all the time?
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tantek
goodness so much code to disable
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tantek
ok let's see if I can change just one if
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tantek
and one test in cassis.js
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tantek
time to test in production
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tantek
what are those warnings in car commercials?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "those warnings in car commercials" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "those warnings in car commercials is ____", a sentence describing the term)