#KartikPrabhuremoving mf2 class dependent styles from CSS is a good idea. But removing mf2 from the themes isn't a solution to that. you can attach styles to any arbitrary attribute or tag in CSS
#KartikPrabhuit might alos be good that a "starter" theme should not have any microformats. But theme authors can add those in in "derivative" themes no?
#[kevinmarks]I didn't think it was orphaned, more that I hadn't needed to change it much recently
#[kevinmarks]What is the best way of telling wordpress that they are massively misguided here?
#LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "best way of telling wordpress that they are massively misguided here" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "best way of telling wordpress that they are massively misguided here is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#GWG[kevinmarks]: What is the best way of telling any large group of people you disagree with them?
#[kevinmarks]They've had s discussion in private and told us the result in public. That's a bit of a shame.
#[kevinmarks]I have really disliked their recent default themes for legibility reasons too.
#GWG[kevinmarks]: The focus of the community seems to have turned to the business side of things, instead of a more personal platform, which is a shame.
#[kevinmarks]We can make a business case for microformats (and indieweb)
#GWG[kevinmarks]: I meant, in explaining the focus they seem to have
#GWGBut, I've decided Core may not be the right move and focused on the Indieweb plugins.
#theReal33mhzI've read through https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/736 and related documentation for better pnut.io support. Quite a lot of pieces to pick up; I'll want to familiarize myself w/known and bridgy, get both running and see where I can help. I haven't read through all of micropub, either, which would be good to cover as well.
#theReal33mhzkartikprabhu for my posts? Nope, but I can set these up to work with it. Or, https://pnut.io/@33mhz is my site ;)
#KartikPrabhutheReal33MHz: I have found it easier to pick these things up if I use them on my site, one feature at a time
#theReal33mhzkartikprabhu I believe it. I'll start from scratch so that these tools work sensibly with pnut.io -- to the extent that I can... No better way to understand than to do.
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#schmartyanyone in here with experience using lasso for IndieAuth (i know aaronpk set it up for indieweb.org and related sites)
#schmartyi'm trying to set it up for a personal site and i am running into something that may not be part of its core feature set, but *seems* like it should be
#schmartyi seem to have lasso working in terms of round trips through indieauth.com, correctly setting cookies, and getting my identity.
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#[miklb]aaronpk is there a better channel/place to ask about Compass?
#schmartyhowever, lasso also has a feature flag for "allowAllUsers" which, if true, will "identify users rather than determine whether they are authorized"
#schmartyi would actually like lasso to check whether a user is authorized, but i don't grok how it allows you to specify authorization. there's something about encoding "grants" into the JWT it uses for the identifying cookie, but i am a little lost.
#schmartymaybe i need to back up a step and see if nginx's auth_request has something to say about it
#schmartya-ha! figured it out. the issue was coming from the way my protected site was proxying requests to lasso. since i was using proxy_pass directly to the server on localhost, i needed to proxy_set_header Host to the actual host domain.
#schmartywahoo! i can log into a private site using IndieAuth and my own domain. 🎉
#Loqi[pstuifzand] Hi, I started working on an Android app for micropub and I'm looking for some people that would like to use/test it.
#pstuifzandNice, it's still early days, but some important parts already work (for me): authentication and syndication
#[eddie]That’s awesome. I’m an iOS guy, but I know several of the Android guys have been hoping for something but haven’t had the time
#pstuifzandI just released an alpha release today, that works for me and now it's time to fill in some of the gaps for other people.
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#[eddie]Yeah that’s the best way to do it. I built an iOS one and I did the same thing. Really helps find the missing pieces when others start using it
#pstuifzandI guess it should be one of the next items on my todo list
#ZegnatFinishing off the discovery step is a nice first item for the list for sure!
#[eddie]snarfed: I must be doing something wrong in granary with Facebook. I’m trying to get a stream of posts by just one friend so I can add that friend’s posts into microsub. I composed the URL like this: https://granary.io/facebook/1286685110/@self/@app/?format=mf2-json the userid right after facebook I was able to verify is the right friend’s API id both from looking at a link in the DOM of my newsfeed and using one of those “Get user id fr
#[eddie]matched both times, so I’m pretty sure it’s the right id
#Loqi[[eddie]] snarfed: I must be doing something wrong in granary with Facebook. I’m trying to get a stream of posts by just one friend so I can add that friend’s posts into microsub. I composed the URL like this: https://granary.io/facebook/1286685110/@self/@...
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#[miklb]aaronpk++ I’m in love with Overland + Compass.
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#[kevinmarks]I'd love to try your android micropub app pstuifzand
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#pstuifzand[kevinmarks]: what's your google account email? I need it to add you to the alpha testers list
#LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "Google Account" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Google Account is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#pstuifzandit's the account you use to install apps from the Google Play store
#ZegnatNot sure that is worth defining tantek. That’s like asking “What is a Facebook Account?” or “What is a Twitter Account?”. Redirect to definition of the service providers themselves.
#LoqiiCloud is what Apple summarily calls all of its various online services such as iCloud identifiers, online storage, syncing, etc https://indieweb.org/iCloud
#LoqiApple ID is a universal identity system from Apple that they use on iOS and macOS systems as well as their iCloud service https://indieweb.org/Apple_ID
#ZegnatAh, yeah, “Email or Phone”. Facebook doesn’t actually give you a user name either.
#Zegnattries to get Facebook to accept a user name
#ZegnatOoh, interesting, even though the form says “Email or Phone”, it will also accept the thing you have set as “username”. Which they only advertise as your profile shortlink
#snarfedtantek: afaik google accounts actually are like fb/twitter in that you pick a username (in the gmail namespace) that needs to be unique
#snarfedyou don't have to use that gmail address to log in, or as your primary email where google will mail you, but i believe it still exists and is attached to the account
#snarfed(possible that has changed recently, but i doubt it)
#tanteksnarfed my understanding is that is not the case, especially with Google Accounts for orgs
#snarfedah sure, i mean s/gmail/google apps domain/
#tanteke.g. I didn't need to create one when Mozilla switched all mozilla.com email addresses to being Google Accounts for gmail, calendar, docs etc.
#tantekAFAIK this is true for "public" Gmail as well
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#snarfedright, i misspoke. it's actually the full email address on a google apps domain. i was being lazy and said gmail
#snarfedso to rephrase, afaik all google accounts have a unique email address at a google apps managed domain. that address and domain can change over time, but still. i don't know that you can create a google account without *any* address at a google-managed domain, even if you don't see or use it much (or at all)
#ZegnatI’ll have to check, I am pretty sure my brother’s Hotmail account is a Google Account that he uses for his YouTube and Android stuff. Though obviously that domain isn’t Google-managed, it also does not include email
#snarfedsure! as i mentioned earlier, you can have a non-google-managed address as the primary on an account, you can log in with it, etc. i believe there will just *also* always be a google-managed address, either gmail or google apps, even if you don't use it much or at all, maybe even only thought about it once when you signed up.
#Zegnathttps://i.imgur.com/dT3LbEW.png - Google sign-up, click “I prefer to use my current email address”, then the “Choose your username” changes to “Your email address”.
#snarfedat least, that used to be the case. it's possible it changed recently
#snarfedok! interesting. i'd be curious to see the entire flow there. maybe they changed it recently.
#[eddie]GWG: Yep, pstuifzand is starting an alpha/beta of a micropub app they built for Android
#[eddie]!tell aaronpk: Looking through your PHP IndieWeb libraries I don’t think I see a library that contains logic for micropub queries and media endpoint stuff. I’m assuming the proper library to add that stuff into would be your new p3k/Micropub?
#LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "Google Account" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Google Account is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#tantekZegnat, want to start that using your screenshot?
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#tanteklost track of what Bridgy / GitHub issues he was supposed to file
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#ZegnatA Google Account is an identity that can be used to authenticate for all of Google’s services, as well as other services using OAuth.
#LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "Google Account" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Google Account is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#ZegnatA Google Account is an identity that can be used to authenticate for all of Google’s services, as well as other services using OAuth.
#tantekthe Bridgy GitHub features and discussions have made me wonder if there's a role for broader backfeed features
#tanteke.g. backfeed usually applies to responses directly to your POSSE copy of one of your posts
#tantekbut with Bridgy backfeed for GitHub, I believe you get backfeed for all comments that come after your comment, whether they linked to your comment or not
#tantekthat sounds like it would be nice to have on other silos also
#tanteke.g. you RSVP to an event, then get all the subsequent comments as backfeed
#tantekor even on twitter. right now you only get backfed @-replies that reply to your @-reply. what if you got all subsequent @-replies to the root of the thread?
#tantek(or all subsequent @-replies to all branches from the root of the thread)
#tantekthe goal here being of course to get a copy of the subsequent conversation onto your own site, instead of having it be trapped in a silo
#tantekthen if we also consider broadening reply-context similarly to all responses transitive that were made to the root of the discussion before your response
#tantekby capturing both of those (broad reply-context before your post, broad backfeed after your post), you can replicate the entire context around what your responding to, and thus not need to actually visit the silo for *any* context around your responses
#snarfedie, how would the full indie case work? eg you comment on a post, and then someone else also comments on it. how would your site get that comment? an extension of salmention?
#tantekI believe salmention already covers this, when the original post is updated to display the comment after yours
#tantekthen the original post send your reply a salmention
#tantekand pretty sure ben_thatmustbeme has this working live on his site (as a receiver of salmentions, not sure he sends them too?)
#tantekas in I believe his own reply posts receive salmentions and then display any new comments found at the original as subsequent comments on his reply post
#[kevinmarks]When you use a non-google email for some services, it will get you to pick a name from the common namespace with Gmail. Plus does that, some others do too.
#[kevinmarks]Also, there is a really nasty edge case, where you sign up with a non Google email account, and later that domain switches to Gmail, and you can have 2 different Google accounts with the same email.
#[kevinmarks]Or rather a gafyd/gsuite account and an individual Google account with the same email address.
#snarfedtantek: sure. i get that it's technically legal. we've just never thought through the details of extracting, ingesting and displaying indirect context like this, as opposed to direct replies etc.
#tanteksnarfed, point being, spec is pretty clear about "any new links that appear at the URL" - that would include links back to peer-to-peer comment permalinks as they're displayed under a post
#snarfed(at least, it's technically legal if the original post displays the replies etc. with links)
#tantekin addition, non peer-to-peer comments (AKA "local comments") are covered by this sentence: "If a response to the source URL is shown on the source URL page (e.g. as a comment), then sender SHOULD treat that as an update of the source URL and re-send any previously sent Webmentions."
#tantekso if you reply to a post from your own site
#tantekthen someone else writes a *local* comment on that original post
#tantekthe original post is expected to send a webmention to your reply
#snarfedsure! in practice right now i expect most people only send wms to links in their e-content, or at least h-entry
#tantekand link to /Salmention for more details of how to do so, so we have some wiggle room for adapting / specifying according to actual implementations
#LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "Share-Backported" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Share-Backported is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "Share Backported" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Share Backported is ____", a sentence describing the term)