#dev 2018-04-01

2018-04-01 UTC
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/enf/status/980235664766611457?s=19
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@enf If I'm reading this right, watching your own tweet stream will soon require running a server that can accept POSTs instead of just a client that does a GET. And the web page for signing up for access the new way doesn't even work https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/980188795856457728 (twitter.com/_/status/980235664766611457)
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davy.tyrrell.co edited /IRC_People (+1) (view diff)
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grant.codes edited /jf2 (+138) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Add grant.codes jf2 post examples" (view diff)
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grantcodes Alrighty Together v1.0.0 is out! 🎉 It has a proper backend now so your settings will be saved across devices (apart from color theme)
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Loqi grantcodes: sknebel left you a message 1 day, 10 hours ago: together sees the channel list from my microsub server, but I can't switch channels away from the notification channel and it appears as if it doesn't even send requests to get the timeline for those when I try
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grantcodes Also defaults to auto marking posts as read
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schmarty grantcodes++ !
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schmarty oops
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schmarty grantcodes++ !!
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grantcodes !tell sknebel Did you try a classic refresh? It was a bit dodgy with first logging in, but may be better with this new release
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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grantcodes Also for [cleverdevil] it now confirms when deleting channels :P
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www.boffosocko.com edited /100DaysOfIndieWeb (+492) "10 Days of Twitter or #10DoT" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com created /Ten_Days_of_Twitter (+315) "prompted by chrisaldrich" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com created /10DoT (+33) "redirect to Ten_Days_of_Twitter" (view diff)
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sknebel grantcodes: that was the slashes issue I opened
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Loqi sknebel: grantcodes left you a message 8 hours, 24 minutes ago: Did you try a classic refresh? It was a bit dodgy with first logging in, but may be better with this new release
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@Enwin ↩️ Le but de webmention est d'appeler l'URL référencée lors de la publication d'un message. Tant que les réseaux sociaux ne permettront pas ça il faudra utiliser un tiers pour chercher des réponses potentielles (twitter.com/_/status/980393837494489088)
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@xtof_party ↩️ Bonjour. Ceci n'est un test pour voir si le service @microdotblog fonctionne pour les webmentions *sortantes*. Et vous inviter à me rejoindre pour essayer... https://microblog.ducamp.me/2018/03/26/gnration-indieweb-et.html#Statut (twitter.com/_/status/980406133365133317)
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grantcodes sknebel: ahh ok, will fix that soon then! I'll just need to url escape the uids
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sknebel I just did that server-side as a workaround for now
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jmac I spent a while typing in a question here, and I realized my problem while trying to put it into words, and thought you all should know. 🦆
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Zegnat jmac++ for answering unasked questions. I guess? ;)
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jmac Trying to get my head around value-class-pattern now
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jmac Is the value class pattern of a given element "The concatenated, document-order text values of all my direct child elements with class 'value'"?
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Zegnat I think it is of “all descendant elements”, rather than “direct child elements”.
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Zegnat But I am going from memory here.
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aaronpk snarfed: yeah the only reason i added jsonfeed was so that I could get better looking content into micro.blog. it's easier to make a good jsonfeed than a good rss feed.
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danq.me edited /WebID (+1666) (view diff)
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tantek wow I had no idea WebID had that much complexity
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tantek sigh
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aaronpk IndieAuth actually says profiles are URLs, not domain names
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aaronpk https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#user-profile-url
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KartikPrabhu hmm yea indieauth is not domain specific
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aaronpk so wait, WebID uses #i at the end of the URL to indicate which link is the profile?
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aaronpk whereas relmeauth uses a rel attribute, which seems a bit easier to parse
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tantek I'm writing up an answer
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KartikPrabhu also what' turtle?
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aaronpk so for WebID you have to look at *all* <a> tags on the page and find one whose href value ends in #i?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: all the way down
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KartikPrabhu lol
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tantek aaronpk: no idea because no defined spec reference for such discovery!
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KartikPrabhu also couldn't the "#i" simply refer to some fragment of an actual page instead of some turtle
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aaronpk i was assuming "does find the link to his WebID, identified by the #i suffix to the URL" was coming from some spec
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aaronpk hm timbl's HTML representation of that link doesn't seem to contain any content
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aaronpk this example workflow seems similar to how people keep wanting to put their rel=me info on a page other than their home page
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tantek.com edited /WebID (+2293) "analysis of WebID complexity and why that's a bad idea" (view diff)
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tantek there you go
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tantek review please ^^^ aaronpk KartikPrabhu
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tantek I had hoped to write something up funnier on April 1st, but here we are
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aaronpk whatever happened to the browser SSL cert part of WebID?
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sknebel both question and answer seem to be talking about IndieAuth.com flow, not IndieAuth - someone wanting to combine the latter with WebID could just make an Indieauth.com-like service that did this or people wanting to use that
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aaronpk yep what sknebel said
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sknebel (at risk of touching an annoying topic: how's that rename coming along?)
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aaronpk :sigh:
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KartikPrabhu ha
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aaronpk i need a pause button for life
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[miklb] 🔘 Click to Pause Life
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KartikPrabhu that sounds like an episode of Black Mirror
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tantek.com edited /WebID (+0) "/* WebID/Indieauth integration possibility? */ better separation of consuming code vs publisher responsibilities, example not proposal" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /WebID (+321) "/* WebID/Indieauth integration possibility? */ IndieAuth naming confusion" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k (+211) "/* Itching */ heart rate" (view diff)
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[snarfed] kartikprabhu++ for working on whitespace in mf2py! thank you! I'm sure that took some work
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[snarfed] does it correctly handle aaronpk's #2 and #8 examples now?
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KartikPrabhu [snarfed]: it did pass all of aaronpk's examples
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schmarty aaronpk: saw your mention of podcast feeds from tag pages. i wrote some special handling for my site to do so (see https://martymcgui.re/podcasts/indieweb/ for the generated page)
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KartikPrabhu I should put those in a test itself. aaronpk do you have a document with all your whitespace examples ?
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aaronpk i thought you might have
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schmarty i basically made a new "podcast" type that pulls from a tag.
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aaronpk ah
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[snarfed] woo awesome!
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schmarty i think adding a special property to the tag itself could have worked for my setup in jekyll, but having a new "post type" made it easy to add the RSS generation
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aaronpk i think i like your approach better actually
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schmarty i originally didn't like adding a new top-level concept to the site, but my thinking has changed recently, and i'm considering splitting more things out from being "just posts" (e.g. events).
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schmarty here's a -dev-related thought exercise that's been in my brain for a few days. i think i am close to having an automated process to go from plain text transcription to marked-up chunks of page that are citable with media fragments.
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schmarty so a permalink page for an ep of TWITIWAE could both jump you to the audio at a given time segment (already works) but also jump you to the correct spot in the transcript.
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KartikPrabhu [snarfed]: might want to try it out https://kartikprabhu.com/connection/mfparser before you use it :)
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KartikPrabhu let me know if something breaks/is unexpected
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schmarty and i was thinking those transcript fragment IDs would make good "source" URLs for sending webmentions when a given post, author, etc. are mentioned.
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[snarfed] will do!
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schmarty but given how parsers like XRay and others look inside fragments, i am wondering how i should mark up those transcript chunks
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[snarfed] if it fixes the bug in aaronpk's example post in that issue, I'm happy
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aaronpk schmarty: if xray finds an h-entry at the fragment ID it will return that h-entry instead. if it doesn't find an h-entry it'll just use the main page
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schmarty i guess i am kind of stuck on the consuming case(s) for webmentions from chunks of (audio / video / other) posts.
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[snarfed] kartikprabhu: no good deed goes unpunished, so my next request will be a new pypi release :P
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[snarfed] after testing
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KartikPrabhu [snarfed]: yes, there is a PR waiting on the main repo for [kevinmarks] to review. And I have another version on my repo too :P
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KartikPrabhu pypi release after those things :P
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KartikPrabhu the first one has the new stop implied name stuff
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schmarty aaronpk: ah right, i forgot about that behavior. maybe i'll abandon my idle planning for a nested u-transcript h-feed inside the h-entry, then. ;}
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KartikPrabhu ok aaronpk's whitespace examples added to mf2py tests. all pass
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[snarfed] kartikprabhu++
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davy.tyrrell.co created /User:Davy.tyrrell.co (+513) "Created page with "I'm currently setting up my website. I have web-sign-in set up, as well as a representative hcard. Now working on a system for making posts. I had some trouble setting up a w..."" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Loqi () "(-3377) move feature requests and bugs to github https://github.com/aaronpk/Loqi/issues" (view diff)
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tantek whoa
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aaronpk is doing a little housecleaning
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skippy what (self-hosted) solutions do folks recommend for private groups? I'd like to set up a community site for my neighborhood, to replace a closed FB group for folks who are leaving FB.
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aaronpk I am a member of some private forums. they're not pretty but they do work.
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aaronpk plenty of "non-tech" people using them too
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skippy good ol' phpBB!
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skippy i dont care much about pretty. i care about ease of use.
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skippy multi-user WP setup might be one option.
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skippy just curious what else exists out there in the wild.
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aaronpk there are services that you can pay for as well
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[snarfed] https://groups.io
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skippy i saw that the other day. looks interesting.
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skippy [snarfed]: i just opened a ticket on Granary.
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[snarfed] skippy: i saw it, thanks!
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GWG Evening
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