#dev 2018-04-04

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[tantek]
But they’re happy to use twitter or mastodon which automatically always displays replies on the original post
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[tantek]
Without a UI to disable it
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[tantek]
So they are asking for something that by their very usage pattern they don’t seem to care about?
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gRegorLove
Weird 'criticism' here. Maybe don't publish things publicly if you're worried about it getting back to the author. https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/6074#issuecomment-378429901
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Loqi
[nightpool] I really like the idea of webmentions in theory, but I feel like in practice people link to blogs for negative reasons as much as positive ones, and would be really surprised/upset if they found out we were telling the author that they were shitting ...
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gRegorLove
That strawpoll is 50/50 currently, 125 votes.
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[tantek]
Nightpool’s criticism doesn’t make sense as same thing already applies to replies and such to tweets and toots
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[kaushal_modi]
May the good win (us) ;)
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aaronpk
the way that mastodon has ended up working, there's a big difference between talking about something on your instance vs talking about it on twitter
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aaronpk
also when you mention a link on twitter you don't show up with everyone else talking about that links
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aaronpk
i think people are thinking about the old pingback model of "blog posts" more than they are thinking about webmention as enabling the equivalent reply-to-toots function
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snarfed
aaronpk's last point there is key. we even think about multiple publics ourselves. this is similar.
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snarfed
the concern is that webmentions are kind of a form of sea lioning. which is kind of true in this case, if a multi user server starts sending them and unpleasantly surprises its users.
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[tantek]
Mentions != replies/comments tho
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snarfed
sure, but it doesn't really matter here, the concern still applies
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snarfed
and to your point tantek, mentions *don't* automatically show up publicly on tweets, toots, or profiles, on either twitter or mastodon
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aaronpk
so the middle ground is mastodon should always send webmentions to in-reply-to URLs, but there is no UI in mastodon to reply to things outside its own universe
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[tantek]
That would need a universal reply button
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[tantek]
Aka a Reply webaction
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davy__
ooh. The suspense. I'll come back in the morning and see he's decided.
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[tantek]
And having them support being a reply webaction handler
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davy__
see if he's decided*
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[tantek]
50/50 is a strong case for implementing with a pref I have to say
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[tantek]
Very interesting result so far
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aaronpk
yeah tbh i'm surprised it's that high
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[tantek]
I’m surprised people care to say no
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aaronpk
really? i feel like the people who are saying no have a strong opinion about it, tho that opinion is likely based more on the idea of pingbacks
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skippy
i sympathize with wanting to be able to post a link to something, such that your community can easily click that link, but simultaneously not wanting that link to get a "HEY SKIPPY LINKED THIS OVER HERE!" notification.
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aaronpk
i've seen that on internal corporate wikis. people will include a link explicitly not hyperlinked, *with additional text* saying "don't make this a link, we don't want this to show up in their google analytics"
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skippy
principal of least surprise seems useful here. adding this to Mastodon should be clearly and loudly communicated with plenty of advance notice.
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skippy
if this just started happening for people, the change in behaviour would be a poor surprise.
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skippy
but :shrug: I don't toot, so I don't have a dinosaur in this race.
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GWG
aaronpk, did you get a chance to look at my poor code?
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GWG
I am potentially excited
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mikestapp.com
created /User:Mikestapp.com (+72) "Created page with "Using Hugo at the moment. Site ==> [http://mikestapp.com mikestapp.com]""
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[kevinmarks]
It's also the "don't @ in the person I'm talking about" thing from twitter.
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[kevinmarks]
Maybe the mastodon affordance would be not to webmention if its in a cw post
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[kaushal_modi]
What's a cw post?
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[kevinmarks]
Content warning
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GWG
CW Post is where I got my Masters degree?
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aaronpk
I feel like that discussion missed the primary use case of webmention
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aaronpk
GWG: I didn't get a chance today, but I will look at it first thing in the morning!
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tantek
agreed aaronpk. problem with the original framing of the question - as plumbing
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tantek
also the "like pingbacks" comparison is not helping either
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@nhoizey
Here’s how #Webmentions lost an opportunity to gain a lot of traction… 😕 https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/6074#issuecomment-378452136 Webmentions could have been possible only on public toots, and only if the toot author checked an option. It would have helped raise awareness for huge Webmentions potential.
(twtr.io/1cP3S5xqBLZ)
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tantek.com
edited /Mastodon (+1560) "/* IndieWeb Support */ Rejected webmention sending, some misunderstandings that could be improved with better explanations of webmention use-cases, how to handle rejections (might be useful in a more common area/page)"
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tantek
^^^ hoping that accurately / fairly captures what happened and with paths for folks to help move things forward
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@nhoizey
↩️ Love #Webmentions and would be happy sending some from your toots? Answer this poll: https://www.strawpoll.me/15428538
(twtr.io/1cP5dxCkpSU)
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@kReEsTaL
↩️ J’ai pas mal réfléchi aux webmentions et à ce que ça implique, notamment en matière de confidentialité. Pour moi, cela devrait être une option de confidentialité à disposition de chacun·e, quelle que soit la plateforme (« envoyer des webmentions : oui / non »).
(twtr.io/1cP6DzkqaXF)
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tantek.com
edited /Mastodon (+406) "/* IndieWeb Support */ To Be Proposed, WebSub"
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tantek
!tell aaronpk please review: https://indieweb.org/Mastodon#Rejected and in particular, consider responding to the Gargron's thoughtful reasons for rejecting along the lines suggested in that section (thanking for the taking the time etc.)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kReEsTaL
↩️ @nhoizey D’autant qu’à mon avis, beaucoup de monde ignore ce que sont les webmentions, qu’elles sont envoyées par défaut.
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@kReEsTaL
↩️ Bref : power to the people, c’est aux plateformes type réseaux sociaux and co. de développer une option pour permettre aux utilisatrices et utilisateurs d’envoyer, ou pas, des webmentions. + Il y a un travail de sensibilisation sur le sujet à fournir.
(twtr.io/1cP6aErkrW8)
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tantek
!tell aaronpk also if Mastodon were to implement WebSub, then presumably individual Mastodon account holders could sign up to use Telegraph to automatically follow the and send webmentions on their behalf?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@nhoizey
↩️ Je comprendrais que certains s’émeuvent de voir leurs tweets en Webmentions sur mon blog, d’ailleurs. Mais difficile de demander à chacun son autorisation, et dommage de se passer de l’intégralité… Choix difficile.
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tantek.com
edited /Mastodon (+2) "move h-entry publishing from request to supported"
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[kevinmarks]
mastodon does implement WebSub, but it wants the other OStatus hoops jumped through to send updates iirc
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singpolyma
aaronpk: nice!
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skippy
when using micropub to post a reply-to, how do folks handle the representation of the quoted text? do you mark it up in the editor before submitting? does yoru server handle it for you? micropub just sends a long the URL you're referencing, right?
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aaronpk
Yea Micropub clients just send the url.
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 31 minutes ago: please review: https://indieweb.org/Mastodon#Rejected and in particular, consider responding to the Gargron's thoughtful reasons for rejecting along the lines suggested in that section (thanking for the taking the time etc.)
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 30 minutes ago: also if Mastodon were to implement WebSub, then presumably individual Mastodon account holders could sign up to use Telegraph to automatically follow the and send webmentions on their behalf?
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aaronpk
What is reply context?
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Loqi
A reply context is the display of what a reply post is in reply to, including linking to that original post with in-reply-to markup, showing some amount of that original post like author name, icon, summary / ellipsed content, and datetime published https://indieweb.org/reply-context
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aaronpk
Usually the server goes and expands the url to show more detail
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aaronpk
Tantek had some ideas on showing a text reply context for certain url patterns like github issues without needing to fetch the post
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skippy
dgold: how are you invoking hugo with nanopub?
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kaushalmodi
dgold: Would love a blog post on your nanopub + hugo setup. Micropub/sub/hub all goes over the top of my head at the moment.
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dgold
was actually working on that atm
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dgold
as you're not the first to ask that
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skippy
woah. micro.pub is available to register. surprised no one has snatched that up yet. :)
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kaushalmodi
skippy: Cool! Are you getting it?
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kaushalmodi
dgold++ Thanks!
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Loqi
dgold has 16 karma in this channel (41 overall)
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skippy
ha! Just tried to register micro.pub and its now unabvailable. someone beat me to it. :)
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skippy
$ whois micro.pub
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skippy
This platinum domain is available for purchase. If you would like to make an offer, please contact platinums@donuts.email.
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sknebel
it probably isn't "unavailable", but not available through the normal channels due to being a "nice" name
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sknebel
which the registry wants extra money for
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[kevinmarks]
gah, blogger changes blogspot.com to blogspot.co.uk so brid.gy fails
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[kevinmarks]
blogger--
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Loqi
blogger has -1 karma in this channel (-3 overall)
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[kevinmarks]
you could send a url with a fragmention to show the quote, but I don't think anyone picked up that suggestion
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Loqi
Mentions as quotes 2015-05-22
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aaronpk
Pretty sure I checked on micro.pub a while ago and found the same thing :-)
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[kevinmarks]
ooh, is silo.pub back up?
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[snarfed]
[kevinmarks] ruh roh. got some contact on that blogger problem? happy to try to fix it
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[kevinmarks]
I filed a bug
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Loqi
[kevinmarks] #805 Blogger domain localisation breaks webmentions via bridgy
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[snarfed]
ah thanks!
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[snarfed]
and yes looks like silo.pub is back up!
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[kevinmarks]
aha, there is a rel-canonical
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[kevinmarks]
so it may not need blogger-specific tweaking
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[kevinmarks]
but woodwind.xyz is expired and in pendingDelete
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[kevinmarks]
I get the offline page for woodwind
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skippy
slightly tangential to indieweb development, but folks here seem familiar with the tools and ideas necessary to provide input on this query:
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skippy
many folks in my neighborhood use one or more FB groups to organize things like babysitters, for sale, etc. I'd like to offer a community-run alternative, and am curious about the pros and cons of using different tools. Self-hosted Known, Discourse, or Mastodon are all options. Each offer different things, so there's no perfect solution.
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skippy
Mostly just curious if there's a casual consensus on what would work well, overall, to ease a neighborhood out of FB...
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kaushalmodi
skippy: My neighborhood uses nextdoor.com. Granted that that's also a silo, but it's spamfree, secure, and does pretty much everything I'd need from such a service.
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sknebel
I don't know enough about Known in that use case, I personally feel like a traditional forum serves this kind of thing best
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sknebel
Mastadon is too Twitter-like IMHO for this
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skippy
i tend to agree on Mastodon/Twitter, sknebel; but i'm trying to avoid too many assumptions. it might unlock some unexpected social benefits if we had a more casual, personal space for the neighborhood.
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sknebel
forums feel plenty casual to me
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skippy
i think someone tried a nextdoor group once... i dont think it ever got much traction.
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sknebel
but I've grown up with them
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skippy
sknebel: ditto.
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skippy
suppose i should more clearly define possible use cases. forum-like would be ideal for "i have..." and "i need...", but be slightly less "interactive" at first.
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skippy
i dont see people creating new posts to share a photo with the folks down the street, for example...
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skippy
*creating new forum posts
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[kevinmarks]
a slack instance might make sense
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skippy
how so, [kevinmarks] ? what are the pros/cons in your mind for something liek that?
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skippy
slack seems uber-realtime, from my experience. it's hard (for me at least) to keep up with the backlog.
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[kevinmarks]
it is meant for small groups to chat in around specific topics, and it works pretty well
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[tantek]
[aaronpk] pretty sure I wrote up the Github url reply patterns in /reply-context#Brainstorming
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kaushalmodi
kevinmarks: Would you be the point of contact to request switching to https for http://microformats.org/ ? :)
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iambismark.net
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[miklb]
skippy have you looked at any options with Buddypress?
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[miklb]
or is WP off the table?
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skippy
[miklb]: WP isnt off the table. not sufficiently familiar with Buddypress.
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tantek
chrisaldrich: now that you're back - did you have any more thoughts about relevance of /credential
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tantek
hmm that page is gone or did I get it wrong - looking
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sknebel
what is credentialing?
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Loqi
credentialing is the issuance of a verified claim by an issuer about a subject https://indieweb.org/credentialing
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schmarty
seems related to /2016/NYC2/indorsements but i am not aware of any implementations that followed.
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schmarty
which is to say that i am aware of discussions at IndieWebCamp that revolve around similar problems to /credentialing but the tech mentioned on that page did not come up.
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skippy
[miklb]: have you used buddypress? any good?
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tantek
schmarty - there is a lot of nonsense in the credentialing "space" - stark absence of selfdogfooding, that is, lack of so-called credentialing experts / proponents actually *using* the credentialing tech the advocate.
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tantek
also lots of promotional statements without any way to verify the claims. lots of exaggerations of adoption (# of badges) etc.
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[miklb]
skippy I’ve only played around with it, and not in a few years, but I know Boone B Gorges did a lot with it. For a small community, I think it could be a FB replacement.
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skippy
thanks [miklb]
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[kevinmarks]
kraushalmodi: tantek does more of the sysadmin work there
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Loqi
[kaushalmodi] kevinmarks: Would you be the point of contact to request switching to https for http://microformats.org/ ? :)
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[jgmac1106]
[tantek] and [schmarty] I have been involved with credentialing since Mozilla launched the open badges initiative. and I just started the article stub yesterday. I would have switched the verb to a noun but somebody already asked Loqi the question... Disagree there is a lot of nonsense...a lot of noise yes, but not nonsense.
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[jgmac1106]
Biggest threat now is both Salesforce and Pearson have filed competing patents around badging and a ton of money flowing around. Degreed got like 17 million or something.
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[jgmac1106]
I think the ethos in the open badges community (not the verified credential community overall) shares much of the indieweb ethos
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[tantek]
Passion and valuing independence yes. But not sure about ethos if by that you mean /principles
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[jgmac1106]
For research see Dan Hickey's work has probably the most comprehensive work. Also remember this stuff is only ten years old at best, the OBI specification just hit 2.0 and now is trying to play nice with verified credentials
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[tantek]
Last I checked *None* of the advocates or sites that advocate OB actually use them themselves
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[tantek]
There’s been LOTS of specification work yes. Lots of JSON examples to be sure
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[tantek]
But with the SPOF of the Moz “backpack” and more, I’m still looking for evidence that remotely backs up the claims of 100 of thousands of badges or however high it is now
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[jgmac1106]
Credly owns a poorly supported WP plug-in that is OBI compliant, BadgeFactory, ConcentricSky my fav providers
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[tantek]
How do you publish badges on your own site?
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[tantek]
I have seen the lists of links to supporting providers etc, but usually it’s lots of clicking without actually finding a there there
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[tantek]
(That question and the implication, is what motivated my suggestion to delete the page from indieweb wiki until there’s something actually indieweb to point to)
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[jgmac1106]
[tantek] for me..third party...on Wordpress I use the Credly plug-in, for my own site...well there is no RoR issuing platform yet....yeah I didn't realize I was starting a page. I just do what bots tell me
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[tantek]
Ah no worries at all about starting a page. Would rather pages get started / deleted than not started at all
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[tantek]
In W3C I’ve been following the verifiable claims folks for years
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KartikPrabhu
what is credentialing?
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Loqi
credentialing is the issuance of a verified claim by an issuer about a subject https://indieweb.org/credentialing
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[tantek]
I felt like they were almost getting somewhere with something real, but then they got bit by the bitcoin/blockchain cargo cult virus
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KartikPrabhu
hmmm no ide what credentialing means even after that page
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chrisaldrich
I added some bits to the page as the underlying ideas are of potential interest to the /Indieweb_for_Education crowd
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Loqi
chrisaldrich: tantek left you a message 1 day ago: the /credentialing pages reads like vapor and has zero connection to the indieweb. there's is some bad history in this space, so unless you have real world indieweb examples, I'd like to delete that page until they exist.
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chrisaldrich
those could be potential "welcoming" pages, but tantek is right in that they need clearer examples
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[jgmac1106]
well there is an interesting philosophical debate going on between the two groups on where credibility lies. Verifiable Claims are treating it much like paper based diplomas, where open badge folks want to put emphasis on learner and evidence. It is so fun watching this debate play out in design and commits
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[tantek]
KartikPrabhu yes that’s partially why we’re having this deletion discussion
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chrisaldrich
GWG had an idea related to it all, but I couldn't remember the bit of jargon he used. It was something LinkedIn related that was discussed at an IWC a few years back.
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[tantek]
[jgmac1106] that’s a good contrast of the communities
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[jgmac1106]
in terms of the badgechain folks...yes they drank the kool-aid. I think it only make sense in high stakes credentialing.
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[jgmac1106]
and like I was saying yesterday in many ways an hCard is a type of verified claim. Please feel free to delete the page again I only answered question when I was asked by Loqi
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KartikPrabhu
[jgmac1106]: hCard does not need some thrid party verification though
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chrisaldrich
For posting on one's own website, writing out essays or putting one's coursework up provides a clear chain that one was working on a project, and these underlying pages could potentially be used to back up a badge.
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chrisaldrich
/read posts could also be used for this in some sense as well.
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[jgmac1106]
@kartikPrabhu true, so it isn't issued to somebody from me but from me to me. [chrisaldrich] that is what I do for my classes I think most of it should be done by a machine and not me eventually
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chrisaldrich
GitHub in some sense creates "badges" of work accomplished via their color gradations in changes and ultimately the final code is a product that can be tested.
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[jgmac1106]
this data is four years old: Open Badges Statistics (December 2014):
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[jgmac1106]
- 303,900 total badges issued through OBI
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[jgmac1106]
- 14,000 total issuers
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[jgmac1106]
- 81,715 total Backpacks
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chrisaldrich
in some cases an instructor could send webmentions to/create comments on these types of pages as an indicator that some actual work was done...
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[jgmac1106]
[chrisaldrich] I was just meeting with folks as we try to use some of GitHub's APIs to play nice with badge issuing platforms...
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chrisaldrich
many employers of CS grads don't care as much about the degree/credential now as they do someone having a portfolio of work they can see... this however is tough to replicate in other areas
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[jgmac1106]
...in terms of indieweb tools I think I would take me multiple semesters to get students that up to par. We start on wordpress.com, been trying to get university to buy into DOOs
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[jgmac1106]
I havent found any employer that cares about badges yet
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chrisaldrich
jgmac1106 and there's a big part of the problem...
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[jgmac1106]
yes thinking all learning is about gainful employment is a huge problem.
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[jgmac1106]
I think there is a ton of space in Open Source Communities to create credentialed pathways, badges or no badges. Credibility exists in the community.
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KartikPrabhu
slowly back away and goes back to physics
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chrisaldrich
I think building it in some sort of IndieWeb philosophical way could be interesting, but some of the "experimenting" thus far turns me off of it having some true value at the end...
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[jgmac1106]
I still struggle with indieweb tools on my site (as you know from numerous Twitter pings) on my website and I have been doing it for years. One plug in update, one theme change and something could go wrong
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[tantek]
Some of this also overlaps with the efforts to “fight” fake news
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chrisaldrich
wants to go back to physics too (or at least some algebraic geometry this morning).
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[jgmac1106]
I think the philosophy is already there, beyond building it yourself, the technical challenges of spinning up a server to issue badges too hard for most
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chrisaldrich
jgmac1106, I think we're getting to an inflection point such that some of the moving pieces are becoming much easier than they were 3 years ago.
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[jgmac1106]
that is true, stuff breaks less often
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[jgmac1106]
and more and more theme authors building in webmentions
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chrisaldrich
Theme authors really just need to have better microformats support, and the WordPress pieces added after that for webmentions should "just work".
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KartikPrabhu
chrisaldrich: coincidentally, I am doing algebraic geometry for a physics problem ;)
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[jgmac1106]
[tantek] been fighting fake news since we created a fake internet a decadeto have kids answer the question, "Can Chihuahuas Cure Asthma?" but that is on the learner side. In terms of credentialing as way to fight fake news...not sure...what do you mean
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chrisaldrich
I think at the end of the month I'm going to look more seriously into building a multi-site WordPRess install meant to be a DoOO project, but for the general public.
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chrisaldrich
KartikPrabhu :)
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chrisaldrich
tantek, how much work would it take to add /read /listen to post type discovery?
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[jgmac1106]
this is what I thought I should do as well. Instead of having everyone use wordpress.com I should spin up a multipage site. I have been begging Alan to build a DoOO based theme and to charge me for it. The only real LMS theme is from WooCommerce and it is soooo heavy
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chrisaldrich
People posting that they've actively read something could be a huge boon to journalism versus the "sharing" (bookmarking) that's happening in the social space now.
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chrisaldrich
jgmac1106, I've got a multi user Known site at http://known.boffosocko.com/ and it's quite nice
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skippy
chrisaldrich: how do you "validate" the claim that someone read something? how would this combat bots linking / sharing, etc?
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chrisaldrich
Though generally it's meant more as a sandbox instead of an actual useable platform.
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[jgmac1106]
All of my classes ran on Known until this year...I switched to Slack and use RSS bots to pull in student stuff
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chrisaldrich
skippy, to be sure one must tell the "truth", but I find anecdotally that few people like to "lie" about what they've read when they're doing it on their own site.
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[gerwitz]
Do y’all who implement Micropub clients tend to set user-agent?
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skippy
chrisaldrich: sure; but if the goal post moves from "register fake account(s) on silo" to "spin up fake sites to polllute indieweb comm channels" , what defenses can be built in?
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sknebel
[gerwitz]: yes. a) it's good form IMHO and b) wordpress security plugins and other WAF-likes will get in your way otherwise
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skippy
it will be trivial to create a fully populated fake site chock full of cotnent.
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[jgmac1106]
Open Annotation
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chrisaldrich
skippy, there's vouch as a start
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chrisaldrich
skippy, there's also the current lack of webmention spam in the wild right now, though perhaps it's as a result of most of us taking more pride of ownership in our sites and not sending it...
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chrisaldrich
jgmac1106 could we add those examples to /Indieweb_for_Education or related pages or do you prefer them to remain "private"?
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chrisaldrich
I can certainly see fake content becoming a problem in larger "managed" situations when a company is providing indieweb as a service
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[jgmac1106]
they aren't private, best part of Known my students are in charge of their privacy
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chrisaldrich
But because webmention is bi-directional, if a news site is displaying reads, bookmarks, reposts, and webmentions, there's an audit-able trail for others to call out news sources for gaming the system too.
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[jgmac1106]
so anything that is private you can't see, wish they wer examples of better open pedagogy but these are folks who could not define a link or url when class started
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[jgmac1106]
[chrisaldrich] and @skippy the now defunct Open Science team was working on this: https://github.com/mozillascience/PaperBadger
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Loqi
[mozillascience] PaperBadger: Issuing badges to credit authors for their work on academic papers
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[jgmac1106]
it was for academic pages but I wonder if a version could be used in journalism
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chrisaldrich
With private posts, one could do all their newsgathering, notes, back up details in private and then synthesize it into their story. This could then be more easily fact-checked by third parties who might have access to the underlying documents.
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chrisaldrich
This is very similar to how many researchers work and similar to how I use my site as a /commonplace_book
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chrisaldrich
I think there's a lot of overlap in the edu and journalism community use cases
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chrisaldrich
the research community could do a lot more to better credit researchers for actual work done on papers, particularly in the cases where Principal Investigators are leveraging only their reputations and positions of power to put their names on papers for which they did little, if any, work.
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[jgmac1106]
was our goal with PaperBadger
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chrisaldrich
I also think that using webmentions on journal articles is a much richer way for handling citations
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chrisaldrich
I remember sketching out a diagram when I added Altmetric to https://indieweb.org/backfeed#Altmetric
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[jgmac1106]
this is where the DOI number on articles changes everything
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[jgmac1106]
Wow [chrisaldrich] didn't know you were working on that. You mind if I share with the ProjectMoodelNet team?
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[jgmac1106]
it is a really cool idea
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GWG
Chrisaldrich, indorsements
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chrisaldrich
Definitely. I need to finish cleaning up some diagrams and writing a very lengthy article about indieweb and academia sometime soon.
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chrisaldrich
What are indorsements?
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Loqi
indorsements is a portmanteau of "IndieWeb Endorsements," coined by David Shanske at the IndieWebCamp NYC 2016 session of the same name https://indieweb.org/indorsements
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chrisaldrich
Thanks GWG! I knew it would come to me sooner or later....
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dansup
Oh no, Instagram Platform API is deprecated :(
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chrisaldrich
What is "Going full silo?" ^^
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Going full silo" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Going full silo is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich
jgmac1106 good to see you here in chat! I've got to run out for some work, but hope to see you around again in the future!
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[kevinmarks]
Dansup you still have granary
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snarfed
pretty much all programmatic indieweb instagram use switched to scraping a long time ago when instagram effectively closed their api to non-business use
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GWG
snarfed, could you see about merging the Micropub PR? Aaronpk figured out the mystery
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snarfed
GWG: i saw! on my list.
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snarfed
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 130 karma in this channel (1609 overall)
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GWG
snarfed, thanks. I am deep in IndieAuth land
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GWG
Also thanks to aaronpk. The code works, but needs changes
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aaronpk
i so can't wait to get that bugfix out
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GWG
Should feel comfortable pushing it soon enough. Days maybe
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aaronpk
lots of micro.blog people will be happy
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GWG
aaronpk, that really should have be documented in WordPress. I am going to write a note
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loqi.me
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loqi.me
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aaronpk
"apps currently accessing Events and Groups APIs will lose access today" 😱
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gRegorLove
Annoyncing new endpoints to send data directly to CA? ;)
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gRegorLove
Annoyncing, that's an ironic typo.
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KartikPrabhu
what is article
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Loqi
An article is a kind of post that typically has more structure than a simple note https://indieweb.org/article
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loqi.me
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tantek
oh no does this mean we lose Bridgy Publish RSVP to FB events?!?
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snarfed
hopefully no, looks like this is all read access, not write
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snarfed
but we'll see
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tantek
so Bridgy Backfeed from events? we lose RSVP backfeeds from POSSE events?
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snarfed
i don't know
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snarfed
it'll take some time to figure out all the details
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snarfed
the language in that post isn't entirely clear, and some parts conflict, so i need to go try all the API endpoints, with various permissions, and see what it's doing now in practice
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aaronpk
that sounds dreadful
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snarfed
welcome to my world
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[kevinmarks]
I had just copied that sentence too
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loqi.me
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loqi.me
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tantek
aaronpk ^^^ feel free to add your examples!
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tantek
aaronpk++
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Loqi
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aaronpk
i think it's going to be super important to focus on the people behind any businesses listed on that page :)
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tantek
agreed
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tantek
the indieweb examples on that page should still be *people* names, not business names
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tantek
as a way to keep it about a person who is accountable, rather than randos spamming rando opaque faceless businesses
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loqi.me
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loqi.me
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