#dev 2018-06-15

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Loqi Grant Richmond
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GWG Fun
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gRegorLove Carman Sandiego was my immediate thought, too
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gRegorLove Good ol' Rockapella
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GWG gRegorLove: Great minds think alike?
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gRegorLove Yep :)
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[chrisaldrich] Speaking of Carmen Sandiego, I'm seeing the executive who oversaw it tomorrow http://meetu.ps/e/Fnjbq/PwCP/d
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: tantek left you a message 1 week, 3 days ago: What do (features on your website) do you want to finish / launch / start using *before* IWS? Can you add to your entry in https://indieweb.org/2018/Guest_Book ? See mine for example: "Working: for IWS 2018(link)"
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schmarty gRegorLove: the isbn change sounds great! Go for it!
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schmarty Also I once saw Rockapella in concert and they were great! However the only song I remember from the night is their Carmen Sandiego theme. 😂
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schmarty I have a photo or two somewhere
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gRegorLove I think I found out several years ago they're from Indianapolis, where I lived for most of my life but somehow never saw them, haha
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gRegorLove Or not. I'm mis-remembering, hah
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schmarty Oh wow! I saw them in PA when I was living in Pittsburgh. It was a drive, and now I forgot the town it was in.
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gRegorLove NYC according to wiki
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schmarty haha, dang yeah. found my photos in camlistore. greensburg, PA is where I saw Rockapella back in 2008.
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schmarty they were quite nice. signed a lot of stuff after the show. posed with our friend heather who set up the whole trip.
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schmarty https://media.martymcgui.re/8f/fd/75/5f/dd225d547f4814853a7be0152d4612b57c8f61827d03c767bb39e334.jpg
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gRegorLove Zegnat, Found out why info-uri.info pages are done. That registry was apparently closed in 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Info_URI_scheme#Namespace_Registry
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gRegorLove I'm leaning towards the mf2 h-entry wiki page use of uid "universally unique identifier, typically canonical entry URL" and using "doi:abcd/1234"
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gRegorLove The h-cite uid definition is more precise "a URL/URI that uniquely/canonically identifies the cited work, canonical permalink." but I don't see a problem with using just "doi:" Open to other reasoning, though
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gRegorLove For display, they apparently "should" be in that format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier#Display
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gRegorLove Er, s/done/down/ in that first chat line
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gRegorLove Since these are sent in micropub requests, "isbn:" or "doi:" prefixes should be enough for servers to decide what to do with the uid.
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jeremycherfas !tell snarfed is there a way to use Granary to get all the comments on the post of someone I am following?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sketchess good morning tech corner
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sketchess Does anybody experiment with audio output or perhaps interactive voice respose on their website?
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cweiske audio comments?
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sketchess What are you trying to ask me cweiske?
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cweiske I meant to say:
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cweiske By saying "interactive voice respose", do you mean "audio comments"?
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sketchess I am not sure about the term "audio comment".
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cweiske oh, you want your website to generate audio, not receive audio?
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cweiske I read "response" as "comment"
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KartikPrabhu what is response-context
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Loqi A reply context is the display of what a reply post is in reply to, including linking to that original post with in-reply-to markup, showing some amount of that original post like author name, icon, summary / ellipsed content, and datetime published https://indieweb.org/response-context
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sketchess Give me a secont to put my words in the correct way together.
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sketchess t=d
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[jgmac1106] @sketchess I know some people who use this: https://wordpress.org/plugins/heyoya-voice-comments-reviews/
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Loqi [Heyoya] Description Let your readers voice their opinion in a fun, fast and easy way with Heyoya. Try out our free voice comments platform; it’s proven to keep readers engaged and to increase your conversions, blog traffic, and improve your SEO. Voice is ...
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sketchess I am currently in search of inspration. So far nobody seem to have a user interface with audio output.
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cweiske screen readers do audio output from websites
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sketchess I know cweiske. Not quite what I have in mind.
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sketchess I am building from scratch, jgmac1106. Wordpress is not something I ever used, nor will I.
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[jgmac1106] no but shared as proof of concepts, people do use it
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[jgmac1106] there are a lot of teachers who love this app called voicethread thta is all about audio
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sketchess How pity. Not a single talking website to explore out there.
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[jgmac1106] https://voicethread.com/
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sketchess I am not judging on Wordpress.
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[jgmac1106] I am. I hate WordPress, it beats me up everyday and I keep crawling back
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sketchess What is that?
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Loqi That! (or "that ^" or "that ^^^") is a rarely seen reply often emphasizing agreement with a This post, but sometimes[1] merely emphasizing agreement with a previous reply https://indieweb.org/that
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sketchess the link...
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sketchess Why are you still using it, if you are not happy with Wordpress? jgmac1106
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[jgmac1106] it is because of my students, their firat steps on to the web are through WordPress, it's a gateway drug,
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[jgmac1106] voicethread is a edtech app where people post content and then others leave a ton of voice comments on it
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[jgmac1106] sounded like what you are trying to do on your own site
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GWG WordPress...try it once, you'll be hooked.
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sketchess I myself can't help. Always thinking outside the box. And very unlucky in finding examples, which did it first.
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[jgmac1106] would you be storing the audio locally, on a cloud server? Do you need to worry about upstream and downstream cost?
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sketchess Oh I hand contact with wordpress. It was easy to say "no thanks".
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sketchess -n
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sketchess definitive locally
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sketchess put a it up their
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GWG "If a friend tells you to try their content management system...just say no."
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sketchess What's that about GWG?
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GWG sketchess: I'm working on slogans for WordPress as if it was an anti-drug campaign?
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[kevinmarks] Ben Werdmuller built a voice ui to his website
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sketchess Ah, I see. GWG
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sketchess You haven't a link, are ya?
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GWG [kevinmarks]: I remember that demo.
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GWG It was at IWS 2016
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GWG There's probably a video
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sketchess On which software solution was it based?
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[kevinmarks] Did Ben ever publish the code?
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GWG I don't know.
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GWG But the video should be there
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sketchess hmmm.... found Indieweb Summit 2016 Demos
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[kevinmarks] He was using chrome for voice
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[kevinmarks] https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/demos/speech.html
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[kevinmarks] Google has cloud apis for this too https://cloud.google.com/text-to-speech/ https://cloud.google.com/speech-to-text/
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sketchess Yaeh, there some examples out there. I came across them.
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GWG So does Amazon, I think.
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sketchess Sound buttons are looking kind of interesting.
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sketchess Thanks for the talk.
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sketchess I keep looking around for possibilities.
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sketchess have a nice day guys
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dgold for some reason, my addled brain read that as 'looking around for prostitutes'... I was wondering what channel i'd blundered into
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[cleverdevil] !tell [grantcodes] the new composer looks pretty great! A few issues on my end: there is no "Title" field (h-entry 'name'), and both the "Visibility" and "Status" dropdowns are showing up as empty.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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[grantcodes] [cleverdevil] oops, missing the name was a bit of an oversight 😛 Luckily it is supported, just need to add the option
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[grantcodes] The dropdowns are just empty by default at the moment, but if you click them it shows the options
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[cleverdevil] Hmm... I clicked them and didn't see any options...
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[grantcodes] Ahh
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[grantcodes] It has something to do with my attempt at making that component super reusable for any react ui framework.
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[cleverdevil] Fair enough.
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[grantcodes] was that in safari?
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[cleverdevil] I use Fluid to create an "app" for macOS for Together.
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[grantcodes] Ah ok. Probably safari or chrome then
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[grantcodes] On windows now you can add PWAs to the start bar
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, it uses WebKit under the hood, IIRC.
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[grantcodes] Pretty sure I can actually just add it to the store too
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[cleverdevil] That's cool. I wonder is macOS will ever add support for PWAs? I doubt it, but who knows.
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[cleverdevil] Its possible that Fluid could be enhanced to be more of a PWA launcher.
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[grantcodes] Well it supports them on iOS now - although quite well hidden
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, and it reloads the app nearly every time you launch it, so its sort of a wonky experience.
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snarfed jeremycherfas: re comments via granary: in the library, yes. rest api, no.
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Loqi snarfed: jeremycherfas left you a message 7 hours, 46 minutes ago: is there a way to use Granary to get all the comments on the post of someone I am following?
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snarfed good idea though, feel free to file an issue to add that option to the rest api!
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tantek__ https://twitter.com/archive_tweet is pretty cool. you follow it, then cc it on any tweet and it will archive the entire tweet thread
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tantek__ e.g. when you @-reply to someone, if you cc (just mention) @archive_tweet, the archive_tweet bot will send the entire thread to the internet archive
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tantek__ via @benward
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jeremycherfas Thanks snarfed. I will pick this up when I can wrangle some free time.
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[schmarty] aaronpk: looking at one of your review posts (part of migrating my goodreads data to my site), your mf1 hReview markup looks correct, but an mf2 parser doesn't pick up the value of rating!
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[schmarty] aaronpk: e.g. https://aaronparecki.com/2018/01/29/10/ has a hidden span with class of "rating" but no "p-rating" anywhere.
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Elgato Cam Link
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[schmarty] aaronpk: this *could* be an mf2 parser bug if i am reading http://microformats.org/wiki/h-review#Parser_Compatibility correctly - neither "rating" nor "best" mf1 properties are getting picked up. 🤔
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aaronpk IIRC I didn't include any mf2 for rating posts intentionally
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aaronpk oh I do have h-review
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aaronpk looks like I need to add p-rating then
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[schmarty] haha, you do! it's a hybrid.
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[schmarty] and p-best, i think.
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aaronpk cause the h-review class should prevent the parser from picking up the mf1 properties
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[schmarty] ah ok, that was my initial thinking (mf2 class stops mf1 properties from being picked up)
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[schmarty] i got myself stuck on goodreads data - most of the time when i read something i also rated it, so an analogous post would be an h-review but *also* an h-entry with p-read-of
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[schmarty] i don't know of anything that consumes h-reviews *or* read-of posts currently, so i guess it doesn't matter.
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[schmarty] i'll probably create a post for each
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[schmarty] (one h-entry with a read-of and read-status, one h-review for the review)
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[schmarty] !tell [gregorlove] i'd love your thoughts on https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-06-15#t1529082970160500
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [[schmarty]] i got myself stuck on goodreads data - most of the time when i read something i also rated it, so an analogous post would be an h-review but *also* an h-entry with p-read-of
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[cleverdevil] Hey, [aaronpk], FYI, I have noticed that Aperture doesn't seem to be fetching some of my feeds anymore. Notably my micro.blog JSON Feed and Daring Fireball's JSON Feed.
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[cleverdevil] Just FYI! Not sure if something is up or not 🙂
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aaronpk i've noticed that too... must have been a side effect of that change I just pushed where watchtower was fetching an old granary feed every minute
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aaronpk haven't had time to dig into it yet
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[cleverdevil] :thumbsup:
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[jgmac1106] If I am trying different WP themes and I see hentry and fn in the source code of a post it is safe to assume this is only set for micromats1 and not mf2?
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gRegorLove [jgmac1106], Yeah, those are mf1
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gRegorLove Unless you have a plugin that adds mf2 to the theme
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[jgmac1106] yes, my goal was to test the mf1, since they claim to have microformats (true but not updates) then try with mf2 plug-in, though I find having both makes thigns things go screwy sometime, and then see if [cjwillcock] and I can make a child theme and document how we went through the templates and made the changes
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schmarty gRegorLove: not sure if you saw the above. do you have any thoughts on bringing in goodreads data to a personal site? goodreads often combines "reading" with "rating" - I mark it read at the same time I give a star rating.
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gRegorLove Hm, good question
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gRegorLove brb
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gRegorLove You could do separate posts, or since there's not a special consumer for h-review you could put it inside the h-entry? Seems like you could separate them later if desired, or do some other upgrade to them.
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gRegorLove h-review inside the h-entry I mean
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schmarty h-review inside the h-entry is interesting. i assume any h-review consumer would not look there by default but maybe i can put a fragment identifier on it 😆
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dgold I've been working on getting reviews working on my own site
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dgold needed to do a fork of quill to get the necessary metadata for my use-case
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dgold they need *lots*
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aaronpk the existing review interface in quill wasn't enough?
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dgold aaronpk: nope!
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dgold I needed to add a idNum for google's books api, this allows me to get the coverimages from google for my reading/review posts
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aaronpk fun
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dgold yeah, but, because your code is nice and simple, it was a trivial fix
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aaronpk glad to hear it!
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gRegorLove schmarty, not sure if it's a good idea or not. :) I was thinking it might be easier to manage instead of 2 posts for each, but I guess in either case you'll need to duplicate some information for the h-review to have the book's information
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gRegorLove h-entry h-review on the same element? Haha
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schmarty it's tricky because their properties don't really line up
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schmarty currently a read-of is a nested h-cite, h-review spec can have nested h-item or h-product.
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gRegorLove I said that as a joke, but it might actually work! http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20180615192757629
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schmarty but! h-product can have nested h-review...
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schmarty p-read-of h-product? ;}
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gRegorLove p-read-of h-cite becomes p-read-of p-item
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gRegorLove ... h-cite
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gRegorLove It does give h-review consumers extra properties like read-of but... idk
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schmarty not bad
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schmarty ah but then p-item is not an h-item but an h-cite
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schmarty this is all theoretical until someone builds an mf2 review consumer 😂😭
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schmarty my trip-up is that h-cite and h-item have different properties
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gRegorLove p-read-of p-item h-cite h-product, but yeah then we're getting pretty crazy, haha
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schmarty actually h-item is so simple it's just name, url, photo. so extra properties like author don't seem so bad.
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schmarty so maybe a review consumer would be okay if a p-item is a nested h-cite!
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schmarty all of this is to say: how do you feel about adding reviews to indiebookclub.biz? 😆
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schmarty oh, also backfeeding into my indiebookclub profile! so ibc both produces and consumes read-of posts and reviews? ;}
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gRegorLove Too many requests. "I've made a huge mistake" jk
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schmarty goodreads migration bonus difficulty: no easy way to make syndication links from the CSV export they give you. so i'm going netflix-style and loading up my entire read history with their infinite-scroll feature to get those URLs.
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gRegorLove Dang
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gRegorLove You want ibc to read from Goodreads and create posts automatically you mean?
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schmarty that'd be cool, but no i wouldn't expect that. however, i have a bunch of read-of posts that i made before i had an ibc "account" which should now have ibc-compatible mf2.
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schmarty and once i import my goodreads reads into my site, those will also be ibc-compatible.
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schmarty so if someone was following my ibc feed i'd want all that data to be there.
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gRegorLove Hmm, interesting
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@AudioEdgeTX Power is built right into this @JLAudio MicroSub+! http://bit.ly/2shiUXY https://t.co/jTrXxG3SNz (twitter.com/_/status/1007714517894168576)
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snarfed sounds legit
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gRegorLove Ooh, will that speaker read my feeds to me?
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[kevinmarks] Did you look at the openlibrary.org api
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KartikPrabhu what is openlibrary
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[kevinmarks] https://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/api/covers
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KartikPrabhu what is openlibrary
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "openlibrary" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "openlibrary is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[kevinmarks] https://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/bookurls
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[kevinmarks] openlibrary is an Internet Archive project to create a page for every book, and provide cover images and the ability to borrow or read as many as possible - it is at openlibrary.org
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /openlibrary (+209) "prompted by KartikPrabhu and dfn added by [kevinmarks]" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /influencer (+212) "tantek__ added "<< 2018-06-13 [https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/06/instagram-influencers-are-driving-luxury-hotels-crazy/562679/ Instagram’s Wannabe-Stars Are Driving Luxury Hotels Crazy]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /influencer (+19) "dfn, see also business model" (view diff)
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[grantcodes] Updated my micropub / microformats example page: https://competent-goldberg-c96cc4.netlify.com/
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[grantcodes] Borrowed a bunch of examples from granary
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[grantcodes] snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 64 karma in this channel (389 overall)
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[grantcodes] If anyone wants to help with what are the most important post examples that would be great
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KartikPrabhu [grantcodes]: not sure why the examples have unnecessary <header> and <footer> markup
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KartikPrabhu that is likely to confuse people
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[grantcodes] Yeah need to figure out how to hide that
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KartikPrabhu [grantcodes]: also the "(granary)-article-with-likes" has a u-url on the likes which makes the like links become the url property of the parent. This seems incorrect
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KartikPrabhu see the actual parsed mf2 http://pin13.net/mf2-dev/?id=20180615220311900
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[grantcodes] And yeah some of the granary ones need cleaned up (that's why I left then prefixed for now)
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snarfed never. they're perfect. gleaming beacons of light. must be your hardware.
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KartikPrabhu :P
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[grantcodes] Hahaha
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Loqi awesome
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KartikPrabhu i did try rebooting my computer but it still gave the same result ;)
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snarfed guess you need a new computer
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[grantcodes] The actual reason is they are clearly aimed more at internal use in granary. Not necessarily real world posts. But they're a good start
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KartikPrabhu [grantcodes]: it would be more useful to use real world like examples then
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KartikPrabhu what is like?
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[grantcodes] KarktikPrabhu: Yes, real world examples would be best.
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[grantcodes] Feel free to add examples on the GitHub repo! There's just a folder of json files
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[grantcodes] https://github.com/grantcodes/micropub-post-demos/tree/master/src/posts