#dev 2018-08-30

2018-08-30 UTC
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tantek__ what is Gutenberg
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Loqi Gutenberg is a project to make a new editor for WordPress pages and posts https://indieweb.org/Gutenberg
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tantek__ Gutenberg << 2018-07 Criticism: https://wordpress.org/support/topic/time-for-a-wordpress-fork/ (topic closed by moderator after only 10 comments)
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-07 Criticism: https://wordpress.org/support/topic/time-for-a-wordpress-fork/ (topic closed by moderator after only 10 comments)" to the "See Also" section of /Gutenberg https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51382&oldid=50381
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tantek.com edited /dunking (+35) "aka screencap dunking" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+133) "the other timelines" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /algorithmic_timeline (+299) "embed suitable comic image" (view diff)
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cweiske petermolnar_, my feed reader showed all your posts as new. did you perhaps change their IDs?
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petermolnar_ cweiske: I really should not have had, but I did change the number of posts to show up
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petermolnar_ I though to try out showing a bit more posts per pagination and I use the same number to define the # of posts in the rss feed
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petermolnar_ sorry about that though
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petermolnar_ !tell tantek__ re gutenberg: it's not actually bad, especially when it's compared to all the site builder plugins out there
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar_ also, that post... I mean come on... you don't like the direction of an open source project, sure fork it, nobody is stopping anyone from that...
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petermolnar_ I take it back... I'm trying to use Gutenberg now, this things is still a mess o.O
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petermolnar_ why on earth is everybody, always ignoring definition lists?!
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cweiske likes them
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[kevinmarks] likes them too and parses them into json objects
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[kevinmarks] https://pleroma.site/objects/f3234de6-735b-440e-88f5-45fec97de64d
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Loqi [kaniini] eugen is working hard, protecting you from those evil <b>, <i>, <code> and <pre> tags man. they're going to hack your computer and mine bitcoin, after all.
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[kevinmarks] https://xoxo.zone/@KevinMarks/100638226701979900
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] @kaniini I just had a terrible idea. Convert them into unicode math characters so mastodon shows 𝗕𝗼𝗹𝗱 𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘤 and 𝚌𝚘𝚍𝚎 anyway.
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[kevinmarks] I wonder if a html to unicode math font converter would be a good or evil thing to make
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sknebel Chaotic neutral
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cweiske .
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petermolnar_ ignoring <dl> I meant it's neglected in nearly all online editors / text editors, there is <ul> and <ol> and that's it
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petermolnar_ I really like <dl>, it's such a useful little thing
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@voxpelli ↩️ Minns inte hur mycket det står i https://voxpelli.com/2016/03/my-2015-in-indieweb/ och https://voxpelli.com/2015/09/oberoende-sociala-webben-2015/, men det kan vara en start. Kort sagt är det du behöver ha: 1. WebMentions 2. Microformats 2 markup 3. WebSub för realtidsuppdatering 4. Ev Micropub för publicering (twitter.com/_/status/1035118484999602177)
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@jgmac1106 @pauljacobson I just sent you a webmention. Hopefully you get it. Would be a pending comment.  Let me know if it did not go through. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6289-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1035127841548054528)
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vilhalmer petermolnar_: I honestly had no idea dl existed, this is neat
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petermolnar_ vilhalmer: http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html - this is the very first html doc in existence, with a definition list :)
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petermolnar_ as in very first AND with a dl
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vilhalmer yeah, I'm sure I have seen it before but I've never really registered it
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vilhalmer I wonder how many other tags have fallen out of my brain
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vilhalmer in related news, I'm so glad that page is still where it always has been
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vilhalmer there are too many broken links
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petermolnar_ indeed there are
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vilhalmer aww the source for the NeXT browser are missing
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@bajtos Webmentions: what is it and why should we care? #Decentralization https://buff.ly/2NtLGgp https://t.co/6KbYbRTvVz (twitter.com/_/status/1035168520580083714)
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jackjamieson aaronpk: Could you help clarify something in the Microsub spec for me?
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aaronpk sure
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jackjamieson I want to implement channel ordering
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jackjamieson https://indieweb.org/Microsub-spec#Set_Channel_Order indicates that the request from the client should include channel[]={uid} for each channel beind re-ordered
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jackjamieson When I receive an order request from Together, it returns a single array 'channels'
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jackjamieson From what I can understand, Aperture also expects channels, rather than channel
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aaronpk you're right, i'm not sure what happened there
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aaronpk guess I will update the wiki to use "channels"
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jackjamieson Cool, thanks
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jackjamieson I figured it was an oversight in the spec, but thought I'd double check!
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aaronparecki.com edited /Microsub-spec (+4) "/* Set Channel Order */ rename property from "channel" to "channels" since that is what has been implemented" (view diff)
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jackjamieson While I'm at it, I also don't see anything in the spec about marking posts unread, but it seems to be implemented in clients
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aaronpk yep I think that was also added to implementations without it being in the spec
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aaronparecki.com edited /Microsub-spec (+58) "/* Mark Entries Read */ also document marking unread" (view diff)
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aaronpk !kick biberao22
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jackjamieson Thanks aaronpk, now that I've gotten most of the core features implemented in my server, I'll keep an eye out for any other differences between the spec and implementations
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aaronpk awesome
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sknebel Really gotta finish my bridge too, of only to see features that don't map
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jackjamieson I'm also happy to edit the spec directly if you prefer, but maybe its better to run things by you first in case I overlook anything
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jackjamieson aaronpk: I have one more microsub ordering question if you have a few minutes
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aaronpk sure
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jackjamieson The spec indicates that the input can contain a subset of the full channel list
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jackjamieson e.g. if the channel list is [a,b,c,d,e,f,g] the input can be [d,a,c,g]
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aaronpk yes
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jackjamieson Hmmm, maybe I'm misunderstanding Aperture's code. I thought that User::set_channel_order included a comparison to ensure that the count of current channels equaled the count of the input. But I think I misread that
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jackjamieson I think I just misunderstood - so nevermind! I'll just keep at it!
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aaronpk ah i see what you mean
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aaronpk first it queries for the list of channels in the input
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aaronpk and it checks that all the channels in the input were actually in the DB
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aaronpk i should have commented that
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Loqi yea
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jackjamieson I should have read more closely, too! And the spec is actually pretty clear on how to re-order, I was just borrowing from Aperture because my sorting chops aren't that great :)
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Loqi I agree
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aaronpk lol be nice loqi
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jackjamieson Loqi's throwing shade
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[grantcodes] I wouldn't trust the together channel ordering. I think it is kinda broken for some reason. Might be channels vs channel, but it definitely worked at some point
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jackjamieson Hmm, maybe I should hold off on implementing ordering then. Do other clients have ordering implemented? I don't see how to order in Monocle and I'm currently unable to get my server to work with Indigenous
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aaronpk i haven't implemented it in monocle yet. just a super rudimentary version in aperture itself
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jackjamieson Hmm, I guess I'll just try it with Together in mind for now, but revisit it later
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[eddie] Indigenous doesn't have sorting yet either, the API seems simple enough but UI not as much
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aaronpk the UI is always the hard part haha
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jackjamieson [grantcodes] - as far as I can see, Together sends a full list of the channels in the correct order. At least that's what my endpoint is receiving. I'll let you know if I notice anything different happening
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[eddie] lol especially because iOS has native drag and drop support but requires the drag and drop items to be Objects rather than Structs
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jackjamieson That's why I like working on the server half - leave the hard part for all of you!
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aaronpk jackjamieson: same haha
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[eddie] 😆
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GWG Hi, jackjamieson
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GWG I was recently thinking about you
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jackjamieson GWG: What's up? How's post kinds going?
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GWG I am focusing on Parse This right now
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GWG Which is part of Parse This
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GWG I am changing it to return jf2
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GWG Instead of a hybrid format
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jackjamieson Nice, I've been omitting Parse This, but it looks quite powerful
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jackjamieson I cut it out because it was adding to the parsing time considerably, which was an issue when trying to send previews to a Microsub client
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GWG jackjamieson, it tries to turn meta tags into Microformats
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GWG The new version is faster
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GWG It uses xpath over regex
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GWG It seems a bit snappier
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GWG But I will certainly add settings
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GWG You inspired the upgrade
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jackjamieson :)
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jackjamieson I'm excited for it!
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[grantcodes] jackjamieson: Yes, together just sends all channels, as it's way easier than figuring out which ones need to be moved 😛
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GWG It may take me a bit, but I learned a lot from prior endeavors
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jackjamieson [grantcodes] I agree, also makes things simple on my end
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jackjamieson GWG: If I remember, there were some cases where Parse This would time out. I'll see if I can check that out in my logs
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GWG I know, which should be better with the current version
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GWG I also am thinking of repacking it as a submodule
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GWG It may be a pain, but it means it can be used in multiple projects
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jackjamieson GWG: Can't find the error message in my logs, but I'll try to test the new version as extensively as I can
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GWG I suppose that I could also try composer
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GWG jackjamieson, still under development, but if you look at the parser branch, you'll see some commits if you want to test speed.
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jackjamieson GWG: I see the changes now. I'll try it out as soon as I can
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GWG No rush. Lots more to do
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GWG php-mf2 creates a domdocument
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GWG I wonder if I can get it back
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GWG So I don't need to do it twice.
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GWG I think I can
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GWG It's a public piece
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GWG I can get it down more
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GWG Good talk
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jackjamieson GWG: Which function is it?
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GWG The source data parse, though names will change in the rewrite
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jgmac1106 can anyone let me know why I can’t these two grid cells to be parallel: https://glitch.com/edit/#!/join/bc6ea1c1-1bfb-4b45-a501-5d9bf1aa92b0
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Zegnat GWG you can also create the DOMDocument outside of phpmf2 and pass it in. That way you don't have to try get it out of there.
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jackjamieson GWG: Not sure I'm seeing it, but that's okay
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gRegorLove jgmac1106, What do you mean by parallel?
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jgmac1106 I mean I have it set in same row and one spanning 1/4 and 4/8 but they are stacking into different rows
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jgmac1106 I thought maybe it was width of my iframes
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gRegorLove I see 1/6, 6/8 and 1/8 for box a, b, c respectively
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gRegorLove and grid-row: 2 for box c
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jgmac1106 for box d and box e
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jgmac1106 those are the ones I want taking up 1/4 and 4/8 of row 3
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gRegorLove They're outside the wrapper so don't have template-columns. Not sure but I think that affects it.
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gRegorLove You might be able to display: grid on the body and then not need the wrapper div
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jgmac1106 …for reall…duh
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jgmac1106 gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (99 in all channels)
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KartikPrabhu gird only affects direct children
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gRegorLove gird your children
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KartikPrabhu only direct children ;)
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gRegorLove No step-children? Hehe
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KartikPrabhu or grand-children
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jgmac1106 yeah and the repeat has it now following the a and b pattern…gotta walk the dogs…be back
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jgmac1106 https://rssfeed.glitch.me/ is where I went up went with 1/3 and 3/8
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jgmac1106 @aaronpk just needs to make some way for me to be able to build Planets using Apeture and I can use that
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aaronpk with a little coding you already can!
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aaronpk https://stream.indieweb.org is just a front-end to an aperture channel :)
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GWG Zegnat, I saw. I didn't think of that optimization till I was talking it out
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Zegnat Oh well, better I said it than you never found out about it :)
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GWG jackjamieson, I will advise when I think it is faster
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GWG Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 56 karma in this channel over the last year (147 in all channels)
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GWG Zegnat, we are racing each other to a solution
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Zegnat Haha. It happens!
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[grantcodes] Wow, actually quite impressed with windows pwa as native apps. Works really well and relatively painless! Together may be coming to the windows store soon
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[cleverdevil] !tell snarfed having an issue with granary Twitter... I get an exception when calling `get_activities` which looks like something isn't getting properly passed around.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat aaronpk, how does one find your AP inbox? Conneg against aaronparecki.com doesn’t get me your Actor object?
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aaronpk try aaronparecki.com/aaronpk
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Zegnat Ah. Interesting.
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Zegnat I may or may not have been looking at putting a application/ld+json version of my page online, so I was looking for inspiration
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Zegnat Is there some compatibility reason for using that URL rather than your homepage?
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aaronpk mastodon expects everything to be a username and hostname
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aaronpk and requires webfinger which also requires a username
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vilhalmer sighs
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aaronpk the other reason is that when people click on a name from the mastodon UI, they get taken to that account's mastodon profile. From that profile page, it shows things like number of posts, number of followers, and has a "follow" button. since my home page has none of that, I wanted people to end up on something that looked familiar when they click through from mastodon.
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vilhalmer I was considering using @_@vil.lv
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vilhalmer but my email address is already redundant so I'll probably stick with it
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vilhalmer I do like the funny face though
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aaronpk the mastodon UI highlights the username part in a way where I didn't want people to think I wanted to be called "_" like that, which is why I went with "aaronpk@aaronparecki.com"
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vilhalmer yeah
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Zegnat I am mostly doing it as a Linked Data experiment, and to expose an inbox for theoretical messages. So I am not too concerned about Mastodon IDs.
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Zegnat Little sad to hear it just straight up doesn’t accept URLs
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aaronpk Zegnat: nothing is going to send you stuff to your inbox except for mastodon tho :P
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aaronpk and mastodon doesn't really care about Linked Data, it just uses it because that's what activitypub uses
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Zegnat I might start sending stuff to my inbox though ;)
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vilhalmer the smallest social network
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Zegnat All theoretical at the moment though. I mostly just found myself down the LD rabit hole this evening before bed
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