#dev 2018-12-30
2018-12-30 UTC
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@Cambridgeport90 ↩️ Basically there is a third-party service I have attached to the site, and I'm trying to figure out why webmentions aren't working. (twitter.com/_/status/1079177637250154497)
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@mrkrndvs ↩️ Even better Bill is if we had such conversations from the comfort of our own backyard using http://brid.gy and webmenbtions, rather than someone else’s playground? #indieweb (https://collect.readwriterespond.com/something-weird-is-happening-on-twitter-right-now/) (twitter.com/_/status/1079207780886532096)
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[relapse] First draft of h-resume peppered page. https://vonexplaino.com/blog/posts/resume/resume-of-colin-morris.html Feedback/ advice welcome.
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# [nick] +!
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Loqi An autolink is a hyperlink that was automatically added to some text to link that text to an obvious or useful destination, like hyperlinking a URL in plaintext to the URL itself, linking hashtags to search results, and @-names to their profile pages https://indieweb.org/autolink
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[tantek] [nick] that's interesting about Django and drafts - could you consider documenting that since it has to do pretty directly with indieweb / blogging on https://indieweb.org/Django ?
# [nick] [tantek] I could write something up pretty simple I suppose.
# [nick] I'm planning on OS my page soon
# [nick] I've done a bad thing though... I have some secrets in my git repo... which means I can't do it yet
# [nick] 😞
# [nick] most secrets exist now in docker secrets but there's a couple lingering and I haven't had the energy to remove them...
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# [relapse] Thanks Jacky.
# [relapse] Interestingly, the parser is picking up the p-education names in the p-resume name list. erf.
# [nick] alright I added myself to the django bits as well.. but I've got some work to do on my site! 😉
# [nick] time to go to bed for me...
# [nick] thanks for the help earlier.
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# vasilakisfil I checked the matrix protocol, hmm I am not sure if I like it or not. What I don't like is the approach to solve everything at once, we all know where this usually leads (xkcd standards). Another thing is, at least in their docs/website, they emphasize in the HTTP API and not in the high level overview. It's good to be rigid and extensively specify the http API responses/requests, but I would like to see something more
# vasilakisfil highlevel, in case you need to apply the matrix under a different protocol (like mqtt). I feel it's more like an IRC replacement rather than a generic IM/Voip replacement.
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@vasilakisfil ↩️ We already have standardized protocols by IETF like XMPP, OAuth2, WebFinger (just to name a few) and W3C recommendations for social apps like ActivityPub with ActivityStreams, LDN, Micropub, Webmention, Websub. We already have the infrastructure there! (twitter.com/_/status/1079326567577337856)
# vasilakisfil lol
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[kevinmarks] Did you write up notes on dat, scuttlebut and matrix?
# [kevinmarks] Dat felt OK to me as a swap out for http, but l had a bit of contention with the Fritter folks for their json centricity
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[jgmac1106] .hhmmmm I can't get my archive site to load https://archive.jgregorymcverry.com
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Zegnat When I curl https://archive.jgregorymcverry.com/ it returns a 302 redirect to https://archive.jgregorymcverry.com
# [jgmac1106] Okay, need to work on my redirect then... Hmmm was working for days. Wondered what changed
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# [relapse] Subpages seem to work? https://archive.jgregorymcverry.com/posts/ for example.
# [relapse] And 404s work (e.g. adding index.html).
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# [jgmac1106] @zegnat maybe will poke around. Good place to start
# [jgmac1106] Thx Zegnat and [relapse]
# Zegnat For things like redirects, that might be a little opaque in browsers, I would recommend testing URLs with curl. E.g. I did the following command to request your archive, have curl print out both the requests it did and the responses it received back (with all headers), and limit it to follow 5 redirects:
# Zegnat curl -vL --max-redirs 5 https://archive.jgregorymcverry.com
# [jgmac1106] What is curl?
# Loqi cURL is a common Linux software library and command line used to get/send a file from/to a URL using only HTTP(S) https://indieweb.org/cURL
# [jgmac1106] Thx
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# [jgmac1106] here is my current htaccess file: https://gist.github.com/jgmac1106/0082fb5a23130316f2e7030a137223f5 on the archive site...that is my default WP htaccess set up
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# AngeloGladding ls
# AngeloGladding ls
# AngeloGladding .....ls?
# AngeloGladding morning guys
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# [jgmac1106] Was was was
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# [kevinmarks] just deployed an updated unmung.com which uses tot mf2py, so the id parsing shoudl show up
# [kevinmarks] was there an example for that?
# [kevinmarks] I also restored my bbc recipes custom backcompat, though the author image isn't working
# Loqi [Fiona Hunter] Baked egg with ham and spinach https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/food/ic/food_16x9_832/recipes/baked_egg_with_ham_and_69539_16x9.jpg
# [jgmac1106] @zegnat and [relapse] it was a redirect plugin I added to WordPress... Going to revise tutorial
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# [kevinmarks] Should unmung allow filter by I'd?
# [tantek] vasilakisfil++ this is a good tweet https://twitter.com/vasilakisfil/status/1079326569125040128
# @vasilakisfil We should built protocols that can be reused in various ways and complete the whole picture. You see something missing ? Then yes go on and create the missing piece. BUT FIRST, we should first try to use the existing protocols before reinventing the wheel. (twitter.com/_/status/1079326569125040128)
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# [tantek] That’s a key design element of IndieWeb /building-blocks which some of the other approaches don’t follow (they attempt be all - all in one)
# vasilakisfil yeah exactly
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# Zegnat [kevinmarks], jacky, petermolnar, this is my go-to resource for url regex. Though not specifically for extracting URLs: https://mathiasbynens.be/demo/url-regex
# Zegnat jacky: “If more than one [webmention endpoint] is present, the first HTTP Link header takes precedence, followed by the first <link> or <a> element in document order.” https://webmention.net/draft/#sender-discovers-receiver-webmention-endpoint
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jacky I wonder how many people's implementation fail at https://webmention.rocks/test/7 lol
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# Loqi ok, I added "webmention-developer" to the "See Also" section of /Webmention https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=55107&oldid=55067
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KartikPrabhu lol
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[schmarty] re: Hugo build times - my whole site builds in about 2-3 seconds on my laptop. But 20s on the cheap VPS I use for my build server! 😅
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "build time" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "build time is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [schmarty] Zegnat: I think it's too slow. I appreciate that it is better, at least.
# [schmarty] I am tempted to have a two-step build process by splitting the Hugo theme into two. One step for permalink pages, after which syndication and webmentions can happen. A second for feed, tag, and archive pages, after which websub triggers.
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# [relapse] [jgmac1106] Good discovery work on your redirect issue.
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# jacky very rough hack / preview of my new "homepage" http://98c75c53.ngrok.io/
# [relapse] Anyone with a homepage that starts with "grrrr" is immediately my friend.
# [relapse] Not entirely sure what I'm seeing. It looks like a social-feed but I don't see anything about you/ what to expect from the site.
# [relapse] I like the use of the <aside> tag for the permalink/ metadata.
# KartikPrabhu what is pin
# Loqi pin or pinning is a feature that allows the author to choose a post to put at the top of their profile (or homepage) which is then called a pinned or sticky post https://indieweb.org/Pin
# [relapse] Is there a reason why you're spanning in a dot rather than using a ul+li?
# [relapse] Ah.
# [relapse] Adding a date+time?
# [relapse] I've tried to do a timeline like this before, I feel it's a great way of showing time-based information.
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# [smerrill] i forget: is it possible to have multiple <artcile class=“h-entry”> on a page? Rather than one-tweet-per-file, I’m rolling up tweets by month. I dont think I want a list (<ul>) of items; but before I jam dozens of h-entries on a single page thought I’d sanity check.
# [relapse] [smerrill] Sounds like a h-feed of h-entries?
# [smerrill] quite possibly. new territory for me.
# [relapse] http://microformats.org/wiki/h-feed
# KartikPrabhu it is allowed to have multiple h-entries even without a h-feed
# [relapse] Oh that's cool. Excellent work with the websocket too.
# [smerrill] is h-feed designed to be human-friendly? I hear “feed” and immediately think rss or atom.
# KartikPrabhu not sure what "human friendly" means. h-feed is as human friendly as any other HTML/mf2 markup
# [smerrill] but if multiple h-entry elements are legal and semantically correct on a page, then that’s okay too
# KartikPrabhu "human friendly" depends on the consuming side i.e. /readers
# [relapse] I agree with Kartik. It's embedded in the HTML, and HTML is meant for human readers (after being parsed by a browser, and you can get the gist of a page reading HTML with semantic markup)
# KartikPrabhu https://indieweb.org/feed_discovery#How_to mentions that top-level h-entries count as a feed
# [smerrill] let me refine my question. I am moving all my tweets from one file per tweet to one file per month. Is h-feed the suggested best way to present each tweet as its own h-entry on a page with lots of such tweets?
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# [smerrill] and then each tweet would be an h-entry, correct?
# [smerrill] thank you!
# [kevinmarks] Yes h-feed is where you put info that applies to all of the entries