#dev 2019-04-13

2019-04-13 UTC
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aaronpk img tags in content took me a few weeks to sort out in my consuming code, it was not fun. please don't :)
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jacky I'm a bit inspired from #-meta and https://twitter.com/_/status/1116874932464574464 to look more into vouch
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@tiffany The pitch of sites like http://micro.blog and IndieWeb (and bless them) is that you can still have the interaction of social sites. Ugh. Nope. Pitch me your blocking/safety/privacy solutions. (twitter.com/_/status/1116874932464574464)
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jacky I think I might go as far as to show a little indicator if a reply has been vouched for
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aaronpk i noticed twitter started doing something like that. in a reply thread, there's a special indicator next to people you follow now.
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jacky semantic cues like that help
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jacky think I might walk a bit and think on this one
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aaronpk Vouch basically lets your network grow by one degree at a time, so is quite limiting and definitely not something everyone will want
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aaronpk i think that's documented in the criticism section on the page already?
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aaronpk for some people that's absolutely a feature tho :)
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jacky Right. I can see this as something you can opt-in globally or put on a post-by-post basis
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aaronpk ooh per post is a thought
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jacky right now (mistakingly lol), I have all of my webmentions stuck in pending so I have to go through and approve them all
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jacky pending_approval that is to be shown
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jacky ah that's tangential actually
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jacky One thing in Vouch that I found interesting is that it only allows for one URL (it looks like?)
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jacky I think I might make my implementation support multiple ones
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jacky it's like carrying multiple forms of ID :)
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aaronpk why?
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jacky I was thinking at first someone might want to check something like https://indieweb.org/chat-names for a reference
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jacky hm actually if you know who you're sending to then you should send the most optimal URL for a vouch
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GWG It is figuring out who to Vouch for you that is the challenge
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jacky lol talk about folding social problems into software
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jacky this is why I wanted to have multiple vouch URIs, to give them a chance to prove themselves
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jacky like they might not be on the chat names but possibly listed on https://xn--sr8hvo.ws/directory
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jacky hmm
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jacky this is more or less "hey, my h-card's on this site that you _might_ trust!"
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jacky a bit like a phonebook
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[tantek] jacky++ yes to multiple vouch URLs - can you add that as an issue / feature request? https://github.com/indieweb/vouch/issues one of my colleagues Martin Thompson also asked for that while ago but I forgot to capture it at the time
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Loqi jacky has 12 karma in this channel over the last year (53 in all channels)
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[tantek] aaronpk re: why, as I understand it, from a protocol perspective it makes sense and provides flexibility for fallbacks or preferentially checking caches, or checking combinations of vouches to give folks an internal "score" etc.
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[kevinmarks] And rel-me gives a way to bind multiple urls too - could comment from another linked site
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GWG Morning
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Loqi good morning!
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Zegnat !tell jacky re: class for mf2 putting people off, there as a whole discussion about this in Berlin https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin/microformatssanscss (https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/43)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kvhxz ↩️ What about micropub, webmentions, and sites like Mastodon or TinyLetter? Would those ever be good alternatives to IG or Twitter? They're "open web" or whatever. (twitter.com/_/status/1117105850466725890)
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GWG How do you tell an Indieauth endpoint what sort of application you are so it can choose an expiry length for tokens?
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GWG I am still thinking about expiring tokens, but trying to figure out how to decide how long
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aaronpk the server gets to decide at the end of the day. the client can't rely on any particular lifetime of tokens
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aaronpk the app already identifies itself with the client_id so if the server wants to make up specific rules per client then it can
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GWG I was more brainstorming on how I might do that
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GWG I was reading your book
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GWG Also now that I fixed dougbeal's bug, may go back to webmentions first
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sknebel !tell jacky re mf2-json as feeds: I think wordpress has an experimental plugin for that - librarywise, I'd expect it on a layer above the parsers (e.g. IMHO parsers shouldn't do unexpected HTTP requests)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG sknebel, we have an experimental plugin for publishing it
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GWG Consuming isn't experimental
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sknebel re Indieauth, the client_id could be a partial answer for old clients with refresh tokens? if a client hasn't made use of it for lets say five logins, prompt the user if a longer-lasting token should be issued instead?
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GWG I intend to keep the option of issuing non expiring tokens manually
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GWG But not in the auth flow
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GWG I actually update the metadata on a token with last used date
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GWG I was going to start with auto expiring tokens that hadn't been used in x number of days
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GWG But Cron is a pain
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jacky sknebel: that makes sense
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Loqi jacky: Zegnat left you a message 3 hours, 59 minutes ago: re: class for mf2 putting people off, there as a whole discussion about this in Berlin https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin/microformatssanscss (https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/43)
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Loqi jacky: sknebel left you a message 6 minutes ago: re mf2-json as feeds: I think wordpress has an experimental plugin for that - librarywise, I'd expect it on a layer above the parsers (e.g. IMHO parsers shouldn't do unexpected HTTP requests)
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jacky Zegnat: that page is super helpful, thank you!
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GWG Webmentions doesn't use the php-mf2 library. Trying to figure out what code I can eliminate by having it
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sknebel really the only non-microformats thing it does is rel= discovery
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GWG Yes, but the next step is merging in the mf2 code that is currently a separate plugin
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GWG Starting small
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sknebel jacky: I suspect indienews is unhappy about the lack of a name property on your post
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jacky AH
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jacky hmm that's fixable
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sknebel also, your bookmark h-cite says that the title of the *post* is "fluffy" (p-name)
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sknebel although it's a bit surprising it shows the content despite there being a bookmark title marked up - that might be a bug, or at least unintended
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jacky lots to fi
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jacky *fix
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[tantek] silo-quits << https://twitter.com/jennschiffer/status/1117093332377845761
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/jennschiffer/status/1117093332377845761" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59227&oldid=58663
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jacky woah
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jacky I think I mentioned this before but something like requestbin.net or httpbin.org would be nice for mf2+html
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jacky I'm going to hit GitHub's raw URLs for things (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/microformats/tests/master/tests/microformats-v2/h-event/time.html) but it'd be nice to have a semi-fixed URL (https://test.microformats.io/h/event)
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jacky is mentioning this to field feedback
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gRegorLove Are you working on a parser?
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aaronpk jacky: what do you mean? something you can post data to? i don't quite understand
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jacky aaronpk: nah more like `GET` requests
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jacky gRegorLove: something that'll use a parser
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jacky like making sure that when I like a post, MF2 is pulled correctly
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jacky I _could_ mock the network calls _completely_ but right now, I'm building mocks from actual network calls
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jacky (recording the HTTP requests)
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aaronpk huh i don't think i understand still
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jacky https://github.com/blackaf/koype/blob/develop/test/unit/indieweb/micropub/entry_test.exs#L247-L270
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aaronpk requestbin.net and httpbin.org look like two completely different things to me so which one do you want?
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jacky ah you're right, I've used the former like the latter tbh
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jacky something more like the latter
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aaronpk ah you're looking for something that will return sample mf2 HTML pages?
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jacky yup!
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jacky needs to work on his dev talk
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aaronpk yeah the closest we have is a pile of test data from the mf2 test suite but that isn't necessarily organized well for what you're looking for
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aaronpk i've been meaning to work on that. i have some of it in webmention.rocks already but i want to pull it out as its own thing
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jacky ooh!
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jacky well that repo has a good basis
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jacky I might tinker with it next week
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