#dev 2019-04-22

2019-04-22 UTC
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ For this functionality there aren’t a lot of options. I think the minimal set would be: * Webmention plugin * Semantic Linkbacks plugin (optional, but greatly improves the amount of data and context of replies and reactions) The backfeed of [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2019/04/20/55749592/?replytocom=258438#respond (twitter.com/_/status/1120399644612333573)
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] could you perhaps update /Getting_Started_with_WordPress with that "minimal set" approach? Would be great to simplify that doc to make IndieWeb WordPress more approachable by more people!
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[tantek] In particular, there's a lot of unnecessary explanatory pre-amble (anything about "Generations" or "IndieMark") that doesn't actually help someone just trying to "Get Started"
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[eddie] !tell jacky I think tags and mentions can both be seen in the silo world as well. It's the same as hashtags and @-mentions
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] eddie I think jacky means the distinction between person-tagging and person-mentioning, which is quite distinct in silo posting UIs like FB, Twitter, and Swarm
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[eddie] hmmm, true. I should login facebook and do a test. Last I knew I thought you could mention someone by typing their name in the regular text area, or tag someone as "with X"
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[eddie] But that might have changed where if you mention them, they automatically get added to "with X"?
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[eddie] I'll have to check
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[tantek] nope, nothing automatic like that
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[tantek] what is person tag
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a person mention that is also a tag on a post that refers to a specific person by URL rather than just a word or phrase, and is done as an explicit tagging action by the user, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink / h-card / or @-name, autocompleted or not https://indieweb.org/person-tag
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[tantek] Eddie, when you do check FB person tagging and mentioning UIs, could you screencapture the UI for both? Looks like we haven't documented FB here: https://indieweb.org/person-tag#Silo_Examples
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[eddie] Definitely, can do :thumbsup:
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[tantek] Thanks much!
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@ChangelingMx I’ve had it up to here with the #Aperture microsub service. I’ve installed the WP plugin, and it doesn’t work. I’ve also tried adding the necessary html to my page directly, and it still isn’t doing what it’s supposed to. The developer also doesn’t ... https://www.starshipchangeling.net/677-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1120451366621712384)
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aaronpk oops I did completely miss that issue https://github.com/aaronpk/Aperture/issues/71
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Loqi [Changelingmx] #71 Using This on wordPress Results in 403 Response
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aaronpk sounds like a wordpress issue tho
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chrisaldrich I think I had tried to set it up at the summit ages ago when there were still issues with Auth that I think have been fixed. Haven't looked at it since then.
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aaronpk i don't think that plugin existed at IWS last year? but yeah the auth issues have plagued wordpress micropub/indieauth forever. seems to be quite a large number of web hosts that block the HTTP Authorization header by default, which is probably what's happening here
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chrisaldrich The plugin was about a month later... I was doing the header manually.
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snarfed ugh yeah. detailed troubleshooting: https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-micropub#frequently-asked-questions
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Loqi [indieweb] wordpress-micropub: A Micropub Endpoint plugin for WordPress
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chrisaldrich Looks like I've run afoul of two accounts when my site when from http to https... aaronpk, can you tweak things so that I can keep the #16 account with my https version and kick the #99 version?
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snarfed Zegnat also wrote some even more detailed troubleshooting tool for that header
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aaronpk chrisaldrich: oops yeah i can tweak things around for you
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aaronpk ah looks like www vs no-www
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chrisaldrich that's possible too...
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aaronpk ok i updated it. sign out and back in again
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aaronpk looks like your site does properly redirect https://www.boffosocko.com/ to https://boffosocko.com/ so it should work now regardless of which you enter in the login box
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[tantek] wat
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aaronpk ohno
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chrisaldrich did I accidentally update my parent theme again?
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gRegorLove "oh my!"
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chrisaldrich GWG, aaronpk, looks like mine throws an error when attempting to sign into aperture: https://gist.github.com/chrisaldrich/ccb22b18a40a293495e34f94a3de83db
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chrisaldrich Which looks roughly like what changelingmx is reporting on Github...
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aaronpk so the hosted Aperture service makes a request to the token endpoint (part of the indieauth plugin) to check if it's valid. i'm guessing the web server is blocking the HTTP Authorization header from coming through. (Some micropub clients also send the access token in the post body and sidestep this issue)
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GWG There's a diagnostic tool built into the Indieauth settings page
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chrisaldrich Here's what the diagnostic tool returns for me: https://gist.github.com/chrisaldrich/6fe83780258e2e32f402c50a3304f2e0
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GWG Exactly
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GWG Server issue
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GWG So, we can't fix that in the plugin
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[tantek] Can the plugin provide a better error message to help the user (1) understand what is actually happening, (2) take possible actions to fix it?
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aaronpk kinda. the trick is Monocle gets a generic HTTP 403 error message back from WordPress. I've updated Monocle to output a host of debug info which has been helpful so far (at least helpful to GWG) since it clearly spells out the error the wordpress plugin is returning
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aaronpk what the user sees is from Monocle, so I'd need to be able to show something there that's more actionable to the user, so i'm open to suggestions there
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chrisaldrich SetEnvIf Authorization "(.*)" HTTP_AUTHORIZATION=$1 doesn't seem to work... let's try the other option...
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[tantek] sounds like multiple pieces need to co-operate to communicate a helpful and actionable error message to the user
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[tantek] that makes me think that it might be something that could be helped by an explicit protocol for those pieces to use to communicate that info
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aaronpk how do I know if that piece is working tho heh
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aaronpk who troubleshoots the troubleshooter
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[tantek] heh
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snarfed1 the plugin could just link to https://wordpress.org/plugins/micropub/#faq
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aaronpk the problem is the user sees an error in monocle and needs to understand that it's a problem with their wordpress and not a problem with monocle or aperture
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[tantek] or micropub
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aaronpk i got blamed for aperture being the problem here
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aaronpk but i don't know how to help people in the right direction
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[tantek] I feel like this is a risk for many things WordPress due to the complexity of setup (plugin switches to flip) and the fragility (theme changes, plugin updates, WP core updates -> things break)
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aaronpk yeah for sure
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snarfed this is why i like surfacing upstream error messages in user visible errors as mu
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snarfed s/ as mu//
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aaronpk that's what i was trying to do
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snarfed yup
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chrisaldrich RewriteRule .* - [E=HTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization}] doesn't seem to work for me either...
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aaronpk evidenced by: https://github.com/aaronpk/Aperture/issues/71#issuecomment-485583143
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Loqi [Changelingmx] Yes. I can log into micropub clients just fine. Trying to log in to Monocle results in the following: There was a problem trying to load the channels from your Microsub endpoint. Microsub endpoint: https://aperture.p3k.io/microsub/220 Your web...
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chrisaldrich I think in the majority of these cases, it's a hosting issue where they're stripping out headers and not letting them through...
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snarfed right
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aaronpk but as you can see, it's a bit of a challenge to go from that error message to understanding that it's a wordpress hosting environment issue
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snarfed so the wordpress plugin should probably add a user-visible message and link to that faq page in all of its 403 errors, since this is a known issue. cc GWG
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aaronpk i can defiinitely make monocle highlight the "error_description" value more prominently on that page, so if the wordpress plugin provided a better message there it could be more useful
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aaronpk at least "Bearer Token Not Supplied" is a lot better than it used to be
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chrisaldrich If they have IndieAuth installed it could also point to the diagnostic at https://example.com/wp-content/plugins/indieauth/authdiag.php for trouble shooting...
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chrisaldrich I'll see if I can ping my host to have them take a look at what is going on...
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[tantek] Can we document hosts that both do and don't have this problem?