[tantek]so I need help 1) explaining what all the (bad) assumptions are behind that "one line of code", and 2) how could the simplest possible "Micropub publish" line(s) of code would work
snarfedanyone currently get facebook email notifications for comments, likes, etc? i'm trying to test something but for the life of me i can't get FB to send me any.
[tantek]either way they are more or less suited to handling the same use-case of a user publishing to the web, and they are more or less biased towards reinforcing big silos
Ruxtonthe way I understand it is web share is a share OF a web site, doesn't have to go TO a website.. and that's why see them different. Micropub enforces the "how to share to a site" and webshare is the "call to share a wbe site to somewhere".. maybe I'm missing somethng here though?
jeremycherfas!tell snarfed I don't get emails for likes or comments from FB, because I sol seldom post there, but I do get notice of other people's postings. Any use?
jgmac1106[m]this is what I don't understand if I check my Matrix it says the room name is #freenode_#indieweb-dev:matrix.org but then when I search Riot.im for that room it says no room available
aaronpki mean why not just leave them out of RSS entirely since there is no indication that RSS readers are going to adapt and people seem to not even want "other peoples" content in RSS feeds they're following
[eddie]Yeah, if you are going to put likes in feeds, I think that is the best way. High fidelity information. "So and so liked a tweet" isn't that helpful. But if you can provide the post owner, an excerpt from the post, etc. That ups the quality of that post
[eddie]So for me, I ask myself if I have enough content in the post for it to be of value without clicking out. If not, I don't include it in JSON/RSS feeds
[eddie]However for RSS/JSON Feed, since they don't know about checkins and watch posts, etc, I like sebsel, include the HTML in the content that would be on my site
Zegnat[jgmac1106]: but your bookmarks also include commentary that you write, right? That is different from most like posts, which are just “I like {link}”
[jgmac1106]how hard is it to not use a shared host? seems like I will always run into some undiagoneasble error and default answer is, "I don't know must be a shared hosting thing"
[jgmac1106]On WP I couldn't send webmentions, with Known I can't use Bridgy Fed, running into stuff with Kirby now where it works in my local dev environment but not to when I push to a server
[jgmac1106]yeah how much harder can it be to spin up a server on AWS and add EC@ an s3 bucket..and just point o my domains.....but there is probably a bunch of maintenance and skill costs involved I am unaware about...
jeremycherfas!tell [jgmac1106] I have a VPS on Dreamhost and the tax really isn't that huge. I've run into a couple of issues, like the CLI version of PHP being different to the one on web pages, but they have usually been relatively easy to resolve.
sebselKirby always had a panel as a back-end interface, but the one in Kirby 3 should be more extensible than ever (the one in 2 was already quite extensible!)
sebselmy reason for ditching the panel is that is was incompatible with my folder structure of 2019/149/1 (year/dayofyear/postofday). Micropub made that less cumbersome to work with
[jgmac1106]will go back and work on the panel for the blog interface next...if I can make blogs, photos, and notes can probably make templates for other post types...all this started bc I wanted a simple guestbook on my website that saved in txt files...atleast I know enough now I can do that
[jgmac1106]I would prefer your approach and rely on post type discovery but that seems a bit out of my reach where I now have enough skills to just make templates for every post type
[jgmac1106]its also just the mindset of how things have worked for me, Known always had post types, WP always post kinds, but tantek was suggesting not templating either
sebselsorry, no, that part is closed source. I had the nice idea of using Kirby's HTML helpers for entry.php, so it's full of `$inner = new Brick('div', ['class' => 'h-entry']);` stuff..
[jgmac1106]I will stick with templating for now, sicnce it a lesson PHP basics for me, but your idea of no variables in the html and having a field for everything is quite intriguing
jeremycherfasI don't understand the difference between ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc on OSX. I have PATH set in bashrc but when I open a new Terminal, I get the same old $PATH unless I do source ~/.bashrc. I do not seem to have a ~/.profile. do I need to create ~/.profile and put my PATH in there to have it be set every time I open Terminal? (All the online answers just confuse me further.)
[tantek]Re: RSS and like/bookmark posts, I’d advise against it. From my experience with putting likes in Atom, it’s pretty universal that people are annoyed by them when seeing them in old style RSS readers or even in micro.blog which is modern yet doesn’t do anything special with likes
[tantek]I still keep all my likes in my main discoverable Atom feed in my site, presuming that anyone who chooses to follow me / my site directly can choose to configure their reader or choose a reader that handles it fine
[tantek]It’s the folks that follow elsewhere that have different expectations, eg following me on Twitter or micro.blog etc, so for those it makes sense for the burden to be on me to pick the appropriate subset for the destination
[jgmac1106]uggg alll ttime spent trying to diagnose what I did wrong in making tempaltes in Kirby and I did not know you had to hit save before publish
[jgmac1106]but my fav is something like you do GWG with the plugin where the url get's parsed and I get extra info like a title and summary (usually from OGP is my guess)
[jgmac1106]If I like something and it happens to be an mf2 feed I would like the p-name, u-featured (if phoo included) and p-summary just parsed and included without me doing anything...would fall back on OGP for sites outside of community
[jgmac1106]just wondering if this could happen automatically on the reader side using the JSON, RSS, OGP or mf2. Not having to include a parser in the design of your personal site is kinda nice
[jgmac1106]okay way past my boundaries of knowledge, just know whether on author or client I like title, featured image, and summary included under any liked or bookmarked link
Loqisnarfed: jeremycherfas left you a message 9 hours, 56 minutes ago: I don't get emails for likes or comments from FB, because I sol seldom post there, but I do get notice of other people's postings. Any use?
doubleloopIf I have an h-feed with a p-author h-card, a consumer of my feed should take that h-card as opposed to an h-card associated with an entry in the feed?
[tantek] in particular Web Share is framed as "simple" because of a sample code line like: navigator.share(
jacky granted looking at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Navigator/share it looks like this could be used in tandem with Micropub?
sknebel (used https://web-share.glitch.me to trigger it)
jeremycherfas !tell snarfed I don't get emails for likes or comments from FB, because I sol seldom post there, but I do get notice of other people's postings. Any use?
jgmac1106[m] this is what I don't understand if I check my Matrix it says the room name is #freenode_#indieweb-dev:matrix.org but then when I search Riot.im for that room it says no room available
petermolnar GWG depends, are all different format/purpose?
aaronpk my home page has an occasional repost, but as you can see here I barely ever repost stuff https://aaronparecki.com/reposts
cweiske my feed reader shows aaronpk's favicon for https://granary-demo.appspot.com/url?input=html&output=atom&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.indieweb.org%2Fen
[jgarber] If anyone has a few seconds to spare, I’m collecting real world examples of use of the HTTP Link header on this GitHub Issue: https://github.com/jgarber623/link-header-parser-ruby/issues/3
doubleloop If I have an h-feed with a p-author h-card, a consumer of my feed should take that h-card as opposed to an h-card associated with an entry in the feed?