#dev 2019-06-10

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[jgmac1106] mifga just read the NYC notes have been thinking about this a lot. I think I may propose a to-do list session at Summit.
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[jgmac1106] I want to also think about a reminder that send an automatic webmention after X time
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk Is PCKE for authentication or only authorization? I know the second part is typically sent to the token endpoint. So I didn’t know if you would do the same thing with the authorization endpoint in the Authentication flow
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[aaronpk] In our case it's useful for authentication too since that is also done as an exchange of an authorization code. The point of PKCE is to protect against a stolen authorization code
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Loqi [aaronpk]: [eddie] left you a message 35 minutes ago: Is PCKE for authentication or only authorization? I know the second part is typically sent to the token endpoint. So I didn’t know if you would do the same thing with the authorization endpoint in the Authentication flow
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[eddie] !tell awesome, I was thinking it seemed like a very similar scenario! Great, I’ll make sure to add support for that info IndieWebKit as well, then. As part of my apps rebuild, I’m working on IndieWebKit, a Swift library for IndieAuth, Micropub, Microsub. Hopefully it’ll help encourage more iOS IndieWeb Client adoption.
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[eddie] Oops!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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awesome Lol
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Loqi awesome: [eddie] left you a message 1 hour, 2 minutes ago: was thinking it seemed like a very similar scenario! Great, I’ll make sure to add support for that info IndieWebKit as well, then. As part of my apps rebuild, I’m working on IndieWebKit, a Swift library for IndieAuth, Micropub, Microsub. Hopefully it’ll help encourage more iOS IndieWeb Client adoption.
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@Swizec ↩️ Omg I’ve been thinking of something like this for years! Had no idea there was a webmentions standard (twitter.com/_/status/1137947313760899073)
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@codemonky007 Building Gatsby Plugin Webmentions | Chris Biscardi http://bit.ly/2I7d1VV (twitter.com/_/status/1137952116750917632)
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[jgmac1106] petermolnar not native but many people use the community markdown plugin https://github.com/sylvainjule/kirby-markdown-field
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sebsel [jgmac1106]: Kirby does do markdown, the plugin you are pointing to adds buttons to toggle bold and headers and stuff, but you can also write markdown by hand, and Kirby supports that just fine.
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[jgmac1106] Ohh cool. Never been into markdown. Kinda like skiing and snowboarding... I can already get down the mountain so idea of switching now....
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[jgmac1106] I am getting back into playing with Kirby today and hired an intern to take my IndieWeb course template and build a CMS in Kirby
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sebsel [jgmac1106] but.. Kirby is a CMS already?
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[jgmac1106] 😬🍻😉😊🦅🦇🦅🦡
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[jgmac1106] Ooops.... Butt emoji... is that a thing? I mean the templates... And possibly spin it up as a stand alone service
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[jgmac1106] Will give me all the pieces. Have the course templates, student blogs in Known, and rubrics in ReVIEW (which I can legally open source in July)
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[jgmac1106] Working on OAuth between Known and ReVIEW now
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sknebel petermolnar: you looked through https://indieweb.org/static_site_cms ?
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petermolnar I did, yes, see main channel
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[jgmac1106] petermolnar buying a bunch of licenses today for Kirby, you are more than welcome to try one... Thougg if only playing locally you can just download from Kirby
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petermolnar I know I can try it locally, and thank you very much for the offer. I probably will, in the close future, I'm just lacking time. In this specific case the question was more about replicating a similar design to what the current wix site has, but this time with resposive html, and they showcase the speed difference. For that, it worked outstandingly, and because the content barely ever changes, I could get by with a static page for
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petermolnar a long time. Despite this, I will check out Kirby, I wanted to do it a long
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petermolnar time, but I do not need a licence, thank you :)
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[jgmac1106] time--
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Loqi time has -1 karma in this channel over the last year (-2 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] The most expensive free thing in the world
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[smerrill] [eddie] I used Indigenous for iOS the other day to post a photo with some text to my site. The photo was uploaded, and the thumbnail was displayed at the bottom of the Indigenous composition screen, but it was not referenced or used in the post at all. I don’t have any debug logs so I dont’ know what Indigenous sent nor what my micropub endpoint did with it. Just checking with you to see if there might be an obvious explanation or som
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[eddie] [smerrill] The only thing that comes to mind is timing (which has bitten me before). Currently I am not "locking" the post button when an image is uploading, so if the post button is tapped too quickly and the final URL hasn't returned from the media endpoint, the url isn't included when the post is pushed to the site
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[smerrill] i noticed the status bar on the thumbnail showing the upload progress (nice!), so I waited until that was completed.
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[eddie] ohhh hmmm, that's very strange then
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[eddie] Nothing else comes to mind in that scenario but DEFINITELY let me know if it happens again, so I can try to troubleshoot it
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[smerrill] ok
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[eddie] I'll keep my eyes open as well, but I upload images a lot and have never run into it (aside from the tapping post while still uploading)
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[smerrill] cool. Indigenous doesn’t have a share sheet action, does it? I didnt see one, but maybe overlooked it
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[eddie] I has a share sheet called "Micropub" but it doesn't currently accept images, just URLs
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[smerrill] I see.
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aaronpk i use that share sheet all the time to favorite tweets from the twitter app
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[eddie] Yeah, it's super useful for Twitter and Safari apps. That's probably where I use it 95% time
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[eddie] Definitely hoping to get one for images sometime later this year :crossed_fingers:
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aaronpk 🎉
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[eddie] schmarty asked for it like 2 years ago 😆 Sorry schmarty
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[schmarty] 😩
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aaronpk has it been that long already?
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[schmarty] o woe, for i must open the app to create an image post 😜
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[eddie] 😆
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[eddie] I'm not sure if QUITE that long
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[eddie] but it's been awhile lol
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[schmarty] these days i often use the share sheet likes or bookmarks but am starting to make more Shortcuts for posting other content.
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[schmarty] doesn't look like i made a GH issue about it 🤷
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[eddie] you did I moved it to another repo
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[eddie] I believe it's in anthologist now
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[eddie] oh nope
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[eddie] hmmm
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[eddie] strange 😕
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[eddie] I remember an issue about it
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[schmarty] haha, i thought i remembered an issue about it but i trust GH as the source of truth in this case.
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sknebel maybe you forgot you implemented it already and closed the issue? :D
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[eddie] 😆 I wish
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[eddie] oh wait, anthologist was the wrong one! haha my own app names are confusing me
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[eddie] oops!
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aaronpk uhoh
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[eddie] yeah lol
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[eddie] there it is, Chronicler https://github.com/EdwardHinkle/chronicler/issues/33
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Loqi [martymcguire] #33 Add as a share target for photos
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[eddie] Not two years but definitely over a year ago
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[schmarty] only 14 months old!
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[eddie] heh
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[schmarty] now that the app name has changed i feel compelled to rewrite the issue text to replace "Indigenous" with "the app" 😅
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[eddie] 😆 I've actually done that with some of my issues that I've moved
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[schmarty] done, haha
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[smerrill] using the iOS Shortcuts to share photos through Micropub is what i am working on now.
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[eddie] 🙌
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[eddie] Awesome, I do something similar as well
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[eddie] What is shortcuts?
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Loqi Shortcuts is an iOS app formerly known as Workflow used to automate various actions https://indieweb.org/Shortcuts
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[eddie] If you need any tips there is some stuff documented there
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[Rose] I need to update the shortcuts on the Wiki, but considering the massive changes introduced last week I feel I should wait to update them.
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[eddie] Yeah, probably because those are some pretty big changes
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aaronpk oo i didn't hear about the changes
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[eddie] They have added parameters
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[eddie] So you can pass data IN and back OUT of a shortcut
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[eddie] I think that's the biggest thing I remember from the Platforms State of the Union
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[eddie] I haven't watched any Shortcuts videos yet
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@nystudio107 ↩️ How are you doing the Twitter likes / etc. with the facepile to begin with? It appears that you're indirectly using http://webmentions.io? (twitter.com/_/status/1138116183268438018)
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aaronpk 🤦
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aaronpk i need to register that domain don't i
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sknebel register it, add twitter og-stuff so it shows a big "you meant webmention.io" :P
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aaronpk 😂
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[jgmac1106] Anyone try subgrid in FF Nightly yet?
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@kleinfreund ↩️ @zachleat Should I webmentions? (twitter.com/_/status/1138129905009528834)
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@kleinfreund ↩️ @zachleat The power of something people are already used to. Maybe I'll join the indie train on the webmentions wagon. (twitter.com/_/status/1138132057274626049)
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[jgmac1106] $5 a month webmentions as service could be a thing
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[eddie] hmmm does anyone have a website with relative endpoints?
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[eddie] aaronpk That would be something interesting for an IndieAuth.rocks, different "profile pages" one that returns endpoints via HTTP headers, another that returns everything in the HTML and another that is returning relative endpoints
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aaronpk that's what i was planning :)
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aaronpk i have a start to it, but it's not great
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sebsel I was about to say Zegnat, but he has a relative webmention endpoint, his auth endpoint is full url.
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sebsel I still need to work on pagination, but I now have a basic Microsub server where one can add channels and subscribe to stuff and see timelines and even mark things as read.
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sebsel Now the hard part: fetching feeds.
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sebsel I might cheat and just add XRay in the mix for the first prototype
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sebsel The feeling of making all these tests, and then implement some IndieAuth, and then actually sending requests for the first time... and then it all just works! Feels like magic :)
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sebsel testing++
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aaronpk yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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[eddie] haha nice
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[eddie] sebsel: thanks! webmention endpoint works! I'll head over to his page
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[eddie] Who is zegnat?
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven is a long-time web tinkerer living in Sweden (CEST or Europe/Stockholm timezone). Pronouns: he or they https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se/martijn/
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[eddie] yay for shortcuts to tricky last names 🙂
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sknebel What is id4me?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "id4me" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "id4me is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel aaronpk: you know anything about this? https://id4me.org/
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aaronpk that sounds familiar
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aaronpk sknebel: followed a few breadcrumbs down to this: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bertola-dns-openid-pidi-architecture-01
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aaronpk which delegates discovery to this spec https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sanz-openid-dns-discovery-00
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sknebel my mailprovider supports it, even using custom domains
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aaronpk interesting
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sebsel hm, so I have feeds and I have entries. Feeds contain entries. So I modeled two datastructures around those. And then there is this JF2 thing that is returned from XRay and currently stored as "content" on an entry, which I also want to call "entry"...
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sebsel naming things is hard :(
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sebsel because this JF2 thing also has a "content", so I can access entry: {content: {content: x}} to get the actual content of the entry.
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gRegorLove Are your data structures based on JF2?
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sebsel I am not sure yet. The current Feed and Entry structs are backed by database tables, and I was planning on just dumping JSON in one column.
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sebsel but it also feels nice to have a bit more formal definition of the JF2-thing
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sebsel and yes, it's JF2 based because the Microsub spec delegates to JF2.
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jgmac1106 anyone follow my https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/content/statusupdates/ I should find out what a long list of webmention connected notes looks like with indigenous? Will follow myself
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@Kyuu9sha https://toxip.net It's alive! ✅First blog post ✅Comment system ✅SEO ✅Spam on social media ❌Webmention support ❌Simple like system ❌Microblog Still stuff to be done. Need to figure out how to do the #webmentions properly and some rudimentary like system. (twitter.com/_/status/1138233286860390400)