#dev 2019-07-20

2019-07-20 UTC
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GWG Trying to figure out where the definition of rel-feed is currently.
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KartikPrabhu https://lachy.id.au/dev/markup/specs/wclr/#syndication
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GWG But, since rel-alternate has been adopted for feeds, trying to understand the practical difference.
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GWG To me, rel-alternate is an alternate representation of the page, which can be a feed, and rel-feed is a syndicated version of site content, but is not necessarily the same content on that URL. For example, using rel-feed to link to feeds on your home page, which may not actually have your archive view.
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KartikPrabhu sure
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KartikPrabhu that is what that definition also says
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GWG But, doing rel-feed and rel-alternate on the same link never caught on
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KartikPrabhu <shurg>
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KartikPrabhu not sure what that has to do with the definition of feed
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[tantek] rel-feed was explicitly dropped from the HTML spec
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[tantek] GWG what does the rel registry say about rel=feed ?
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GWG So, where does it stand now?
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[tantek] What does the registry say?
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GWG http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
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GWG http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-feed
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GWG The scenario I'm trying to figure out is this
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GWG My homepage is not a feed. But I want to link to my primary feed. I was using rel-feed for that.
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KartikPrabhu bridgy consumes rel-feed to find h-feeds for your posts afaik
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[tantek] Kartik if so, worth documenting on /rel-feed
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KartikPrabhu what is rel-feed?
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Loqi rel-feed is the standard for linking to multiple (potentially alternative) h-feeds from a site's homepage using the code rel="feed" on those links https://indieweb.org/rel-feed
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GWG I'm trying to get WordPress Core to add rel-feed.
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KartikPrabhu [tantek]: already there https://indieweb.org/rel-feed#Bridgy
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[tantek] 👍
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[tantek] GWG as part of making a separate mf2 h-feed page that the themes don’t muck with?
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GWG [tantek]: I was aiming lower to start. Finding the page with the feed on it.
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GWG Without a link, I can't figure out where the main h-feed is.
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[tantek] Aiming lower may create something half broken (again) which is hard to fix (again)
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[tantek] Might be a better strategy to include rel-feed as part of the “separate mf2 h-feed” effort that you, or was it pfefferle, or both or with others were working on
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GWG [tantek]: We have something for a separate mf2 h-feed page. rel-alternate
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GWG Both, although it is paused
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KartikPrabhu rel-alternate is supposed to be an alternate version of the current page afaik
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[tantek] Would be good to figure out a way use that approach to solve the broken rsvps problem we saw for summit
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GWG Yes, so a separate h-feed page would be that
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GWG Right now, jot sure if anything but WordPress consumes an mf2 json side file
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KartikPrabhu no. if the homepage has no feeds, then a separate h-feed is not an alternate version of the homepage
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GWG This is where there is a properly marked up side file because the theme in WordPress is messing up the markup
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@noservershere Weekly Platform News: CSS ::marker pseudo-element, pre-rendering web components, adding Webmention to your site http://jsfeeds.com/details/weekly-platform-news-css-marker-pseudo-element-pre-rendering-web-components-adding-webmention-to-your-site-5d31d59014ff049718102535?s=rss (twitter.com/_/status/1152458179932037120)
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[KevinMarks] I'm using sibling selectors to make pure css toggles, but I can't then add a fieldset around the toggles, as they stop being siblings. Is this an inherent css limit or is there a way round it?
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[grantcodes] CSS toggles are basically a hack, so pretty limited
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[grantcodes] You can move the input wherever you need in the html and use a linked label to toggle it. No idea if that causes accessibility issues though
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jgmac1106 quick PHP question as I try to get micropub working with the Known food plugin, lines 228 to 250 you see how a post gets assigned a template here: https://github.com/idno/known/blob/bb6ce860e8c84a765d39582763c9b2dd303abf9d/IdnoPlugins/IndiePub/Pages/MicroPub/Endpoint.php
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jgmac1106 in our Food plug in we add <data class="p-category" value="food">food</data> can I make $food a variable?
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jeremycherfas .
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[KevinMarks] Oh, I can detach the label. Interesting, though the checkbox itself is nice for state here. I suppose a light/dark label could work.
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[KevinMarks] http://dabblet.com/gist/47cb9d4a80bed215847e5638b5ad5cd8
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@1digitalnomad2 IndieWeb and Webmentions #css http://www.1digitalnomad.com/indieweb-and-webmentions-css/ (twitter.com/_/status/1152609623716880386)
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[grantcodes] Honestly KevinMarks just use js, it's what it is made for. Your little demo is a perfect example for progressive enhancement.
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@noservershere Weekly Platform News: CSS ::marker pseudo-element, pre-rendering web components, adding Webmention to your site http://jsfeeds.com/details/weekly-platform-news-css-marker-pseudo-element-pre-rendering-web-components-adding-webmention-to-your-site-5d31d59014ff049718102535?s=rss (twitter.com/_/status/1152639374003253250)
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@cpayan_ Webmentions are a really interesting idea, hopefully letting your blog post stand apart from social networks while still leveraging the conversations that happen there. https://buff.ly/2JDD3Rd (twitter.com/_/status/1152670513333977088)
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[jgmac1106] Wondering how this would work with html slides and webmentions: https://create.withgoogle.com/tools/audience-connect
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@LogicallyCross Weekly Platform News: CSS ::marker pseudo-element, pre-rendering web components, adding Webmention to your site http://dlvr.it/R8nTW3 (twitter.com/_/status/1152706660013506560)
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jgmac1106 chrisaldrich reading the McMillan-Cottom piece it is also interesting reflection on how coordinated attacks hit blogs by encouraging sharing from social media, makes me think that for some posts it would be nice for Bridgy or webmentions to have an on/off switch, a toggle to remove the endpoint.
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[snarfed] jgmac1106 you could just not advertise the webmention endpoint on those posts, right?
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[snarfed] sorry, maybe that's what you meant
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jgmac1106 yeah, but realizing just having an on/off feature that doesn’t advertise the enpoint might be an easy and important safety feature
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jgmac1106 sorry trying not to use word easy or simple, but it snuck in there
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[snarfed] yeah i haven't followed the inclusivity debate (i assume) around "easy"/"simple," but we do need a way to communicate scope of different pieces of work. some are bigger than others, sometimes much bigger, and that's meaningful
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jgmac1106 I guess that is inclusivity …he not trying to label the ability of the user …just teacher speak for me after trying to get so many people online for the first time, too relatve…descibing a project as big or small works just as well
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[Michael_Beckwit well, i don’t think there’s much in Goodreads for API endpoints for user status…but they do seem to provide an RSS feed for a user
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