#dev 2019-10-23

2019-10-23 UTC
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[tantek] oooh I'm admiring https://manton.org/photos/ and now kinda want that for my own site as a view of *just* my photo posts!
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Loqi Manton Reece
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[tantek] ... from the recent micro.blog newsletter from [manton]++
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Loqi [manton] has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (53 in all channels)
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[Lewis_Cowles] [qubyte] if you were to add some attribute to your css you could find and replace it using the link. Then you only need to know the new value.
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[Lewis_Cowles] Interestingly it's not just the content, but a HTTP Response which is cached, so you can set headers, you can evict cache explicitly from service-workers
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[Lewis_Cowles] RE: algorithm of netlify it seems to be a zero-padded hex representation with a fixed suffix
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[Lewis_Cowles] https://qubyte.codes/main-dd35ee29f012db1ba370d59200e984d9.css
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[Lewis_Cowles] taking the suffix, we can see it never goes above f (hex)
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[Lewis_Cowles] parseInt('dd35ee29f012db1ba370d59200e984d9', 16) gives us 1.852951348136671e+38
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[Lewis_Cowles] 185295134813667100000000000000000000000 moving decimal right 38 times if I'm not mistaken
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[Lewis_Cowles] new Date().getTime() gives us 1571806019783
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[Lewis_Cowles] If you added enough days to this you'd get that (although it could also be a max representation of some form of signed integer)
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[Lewis_Cowles] The raw value is 128-bits (calling .toString(2) on exponent)
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[Lewis_Cowles] 48 of those bits are set before tailing off into a land of zeros
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[Lewis_Cowles] I'd need more past / future names to verify but I think it's just a padded date-time with an unreasonable amount of time added
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jjuran [Lewis_Cowles]: 0xdd35ee29f012db1ba370d59200e984d9 == 294039409338108283688427083518695802073
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Zegnat I think [qubyte] sets that part in the filename himself. Just didn’t know how Netlify generated the ETag. Which is 8b668b7c83b8feaf21df3d4d5086f875-ssl-df when I load that CSS file.
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[qubyte] Yup, that’s my problem. Everything else seems possible, but it’s for naught if I can’t update the ETag header.
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[qubyte] (because I don’t know the algorithm, not because of service worker limitations)
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[qubyte] I’ll ask someone there later today. If I’m lucky they can point me to the relevant code or something.
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Zegnat I am not sure you would actually need to change that header though
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Zegnat Alternatively maybe if you serve the page from the service worker you drop it entirely, so you know you aren’t confusing the browser?
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[qubyte] My goal in all this is to see if I can continue to use old cached HTML when the only thing which changed is the (immutably named) CSS. Buuuuut this might be a rabbit hole.
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petermolnar !tell aaronpk aperture can't find feed under certain addresses, like https://www.shujimoriwaki.com/blog?format=RSS
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar I believe all of those are squarespace sites and their rss feeds
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[aaronpk] That's odd, XRay can see it just fine
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Loqi [aaronpk]: petermolnar left you a message 4 minutes ago: aperture can't find feed under certain addresses, like https://www.shujimoriwaki.com/blog?format=RSS
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GWG Morning
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Loqi *yawn* ... /stretch/
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@janboddez Testing webmention support. https://ochtendgrijs.be/blog/blogroll-deel-twee (twitter.com/_/status/1186967689954299907)
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[Rose] Woot, cocoapods installed and overland compiles!
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GWG cocoapods?
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aaronpk [Rose]++ yay
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Loqi [Rose] has 18 karma in this channel over the last year (64 in all channels)
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[Rose] GWG: a package manager for iOS apps. Definitely objective C, maybe swift.
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GWG Interesting
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[Rose] It is! I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't compile before, so I should probably update the readme with the notes from my experience to help any other "I can probably follow the pattern enough to fix stuff but I'm not an iOS developer" people
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sebsel remembers going through that
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sebsel https://github.com/aaronpk/Overland-iOS/issues/8
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Loqi [sebsel] #8 Update docs for installation Guide
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sebsel should've made a PR out of it
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[Rose] I put it at the end of the readme on my fork: https://github.com/RosemaryOrchard/Overland-iOS/blob/master/README.md
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[Rose] I want to add a help page inside the app and then send a PR.
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[jgmac1106] [Sadik_Shahadu] I need to fix the font and img media queries in the CSS Grid.
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[jgmac1106] I will do during today's design studio
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[jgmac1106] If you do a translation we can add them (French an twi' versions?)
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[Sadik_Shahadu] Sounds great. Will look in into that👍
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[jgmac1106] Also can you get me the exact dates of mozfest session and the next meet up? Will add them
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Loqi Rose has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (65 in all channels)
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[Lewis_Cowles] Rose++
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] I lke that idea of putting a url on each post page for citation... Think I am gonna copy that
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[jgmac1106] I have been using <blockquote><cite></cite></blockquote> could add the h-cite
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@janboddez ↩️ I may have got it working, using the Webmention plugin and a couple filters. (twitter.com/_/status/1187010492927270912)
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@janboddez ↩️ Why would I want to do all that? Well, because I might be able to retire my own, dead-simple “Webmention Comments” plugin. (twitter.com/_/status/1187012026905874433)
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@janboddez ↩️ Fun fact: I did programmatically declare support for `webmentions` ... (twitter.com/_/status/1187015098532954113)
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@jgmac1106 Yes any mothballed @withknown should turn off the native comments plugin. The spam won't display and webmentions will still work.. For active users do the same and rely on webmentions or use the Askimet plugin. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1i35qf) (twitter.com/_/status/1187019677719040000)
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petermolnar !tell snarfed I'm trying to figure out if there's some sort of static link that can be added to my site for fed (eg mastodon) follow. I've found the https://mastodon.social/users/USERNAME/remote_follow scheme, but I believe it's Mastodon specific. Are you aware of any kind of links that can be used with the fed.brid.gy provided @petermolnar.net@petermolnar.net?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk petermolnar: I implemented the remote follow thing on a special page here: https://aaronparecki.com/aaronpk
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Loqi Aaron Parecki
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aaronpk basically you have to either tell people to copy your @user@host address into their mastodon, or you do the discovery bit and redirect them to their host with your address pre-filled
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swentel hm that's clever
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Loqi swentel: GWG left you a message on 2019-07-11 at 5:43pm UTC: Just tried to write an article on Indigenous...no easy way to add links.
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Loqi swentel: [jgmac1106] left you a message 2 weeks, 6 days ago: the recorder apk coming our sounds amazing. Wonder if there are micropub possibilities
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aaronpk yes it's basically the same as this https://aaronparecki.com/follow
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Loqi Aaron Parecki
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aaronpk it's still not the best UX
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aaronpk but it's the classic problem of how to not create privacy/security issues across domains while still having some connection between the two
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Yes any mothballed @withknown should turn off the native comments plugin. The spam won't display and webmentions will still work.. For active users do the same and rely on webmentions or use the Askimet plugin. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1v58ff) (twitter.com/_/status/1187024502804373505)
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beko[m] Trying to add custom POSSE provider to Syndication-Links for Bridgy Mastodon (https://snarfed.org/2019-10-22_mastodon-on-bridgy) but https://brid.gy/publish/mastodon (according to https://brid.gy/about) returns 404 (unlike e.g. https://brid.gy/publish/twitter) so the webmention endpoint can never be discovered.
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beko[m] Also on Bridgy Preview works but Discover fails to fetch [...] or find a Mastodon syndication link (but it's there: http://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbeko.famkos.net%2F2019%2F10%2F23%2Fmastodon-posse%2F ).
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beko[m] What am I missing here?
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@frankmeeuwsen ↩️ In deel 2 leg ik je uit hoe je de IndieAuth plugin gebruikt om van je WordPress blog een eigen identiteitsprovider te maken. Zo kun je met je blog op bepaalde sites inloggen zoals je gewend bent met Twitter en Facebook. https://diggingthedigital.com/indieauth-wordpress/ (twitter.com/_/status/1187028031761723393)
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[Lewis_Cowles] Oh dear WordPress, how I hate your API… Tried to help a friend and for some reason I cannot get the current page
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[Lewis_Cowles] *current page number
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[Lewis_Cowles] 😂
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[Lewis_Cowles] I just found out why it wasn’t working. I was calling min instead of max… I wish I could say “go home you’re drunk”
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KartikPrabhu "go drunk your're home" ;)
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beko[m] [snarfed]++
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[snarfed] beko: saw your mastodon publish error. looking into it
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Loqi [snarfed]: petermolnar left you a message 2 hours, 22 minutes ago: I'm trying to figure out if there's some sort of static link that can be added to my site for fed (eg mastodon) follow. I've found the https://mastodon.social/users/USERNAME/remote_follow scheme, but I believe it's Mastodon specific. Are you aware of any kind of links that can be used with the fed.brid.gy provided @petermolnar.net@petermolnar.net?
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beko[m] [snarfed]: ty it's fixed, custom POSSE provider works now. Now I get Error: {"error":"This action is outside the authorized scopes"} 403 Client Error: None for url: https://social.tchncs.de/api/v1/media but I did enable `publish` and was redirected to permit "edit anything" on my instance
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beko[m] should I raise another ticket?
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[snarfed] nah, thanks for offering though
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[snarfed] and yeah, agreed, i don't understand which scope it wants. i've also used it to publish a status with a photo myself before. confusing
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[snarfed] probably the wordpress-based signup flow isn't handling oauth right
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beko[m] lost me. Isn't this between bridgly and $mastodon_instance?
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beko[m] bridgy
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[snarfed] right, but the oauth scopes depend on the bridgy features (eg listen, publish) wordpress asked for when it sent you to bridgy
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[snarfed] could you try disabling publish on https://brid.gy/mastodon/@bekopharm@social.tchncs.de , then re-enable it, then see if it works?
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beko will do
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beko [snarfed]: worked!
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beko awesome :D now I just have to find out how to use the excerpt. Needs probably plugin support. This is just a generic POSSE provider that doesn't know about any Bridgy options.
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beko my old syndication links to Mastodon were found just fine btw and some comments rolled in 👍
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[snarfed] great!
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[snarfed] re excerpt, do you mean https://brid.gy/about#silo-content ?
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[snarfed] (if you mean mastodon content warning, bridgy doesn't support that yet)
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beko kind-ish. It's probably a p-bridgy-mastodon-content
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aaronpk anyone know of a library that can determine whether an image is a photo or a screenshot?
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aaronpk (jpg vs png isn't enough)
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aaronpk I found an answer that uses imagemagick but i'm not having much luck with it. seems to return false positives a lot
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@ochtendgrijs Je hebt vast weleens je Google‑ of Twitter-account gebruikt om je bij ’n online dienst aan te melden. Wel, IndieAuth werkt net zo, maar dan met – en let nu op – je eigenste URL! Hoe gebruik je IndieAuth met WordPress https://ochtendgrijs.be/notes/2032514670 (twitter.com/_/status/1187063868713046016)
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beko I wish I'd be able to _write_ python. Can read it but I'm just a damn JS hipster *sigh, *tinkers with Okuna bridge
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[snarfed] [petermolnar_] re bridgy fed follows, hmm, i don't entirely understand. bridgy fed does send and receive wms with u-follow-of - https://fed.brid.gy/#follow+as+usual , https://indieweb.org/follow - but i don't think that's what you're asking?
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beko oh yeah… now that Bridgy has Mastodon support I also see blocked spambot "likes" again =)
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jacky aaronpk: that'd be an interesting library
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jacky re: screenshot vs photo
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jacky so https://lwa.black.af _kinda_ works
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jacky the UI is still ohso bad
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jacky but it can work as a microsub server (kinda) and microsub client
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petermolnar [snarfed]: my question is basically the never ending quest to solve universal follow button
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petermolnar in essence: the mastodon instances, if I'm correct, allow a `fediverse-instance-url + '/authorize_interaction?uri=' + my user` link, eg. https://mastodon.social/authorize_interaction?uri=petermolnar.net@petermolnar.net - but to display that as button, I came to realize, I'd need to know the users' instance
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petermolnar I was trying to figure it out if there's a way around this, but it really looks like, there isn't
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jacky petermolnar: yup
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jacky which I think is okay
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jacky like if the browser had a way to auto-fill this kin of info, it'd make it a bit easier
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petermolnar no, it's not. It's the never ending problem of how to display a follow button
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aaronpk the only way around it is to build it into browsers
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petermolnar which even us, the indieweb, is yet to solve
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petermolnar we had the web actions idea
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petermolnar but it never took off
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petermolnar this is one of the most lacking features of the out-of-silos internet
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jacky I think it's lightly okay because it forces users to pick an identity to follow from
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petermolnar that's tangential
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jacky like I know I'll have one for my personal life, one for my work stuff and maybe even spend time spinning off my comics/food one
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aaronpk it's also only a problem when you're trying to treat it the same way as websites
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jacky petermolnar: microsub clients can get around this tho
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aaronpk once you're in mastodon or an indieweb reader, the reader can provide the follow button for anyone that shows up in the reader
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jacky ^
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aaronpk other than that, yes it needs to be in the browser
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aaronpk but that also makes sense
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[Lewis_Cowles] Given Tantek idea of publics, is it not a reasonable assumption someone would share their instance as part of their interaction(s)?
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aaronpk because you're using a browser to visit the page
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petermolnar ok, say I'm logged in on mastodon.social but I'm browsing, say, pterodactyl.social - another mastoton instance. I'll not be logged in there, given it's no my "main" fediverse instance, correct? What happens if I press a follow button there?
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petermolnar goes looking for mastodon instances
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aaronpk it takes you to the "remote follow" page IIRC
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petermolnar preferably with content that won't burn my eyes out
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petermolnar the remote follow of their - in this case, pterodactyl - instance?
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jacky https://playvicious.social/users/jalcine/remote_follow
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Loqi Jacky Alciné
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jacky hmm that wants me to log in though
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aaronpk yes in fact it popped up the window https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2019-10-23-21-12-00-G0QnmSFP8g.jpg
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jacky better https://mastodon.technology/users/blackaf/remote_follow
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aaronpk "enter your username@domain"
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aaronpk then it discovers your follow endpoint and redirects you there where you're logged in
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petermolnar ah, I see. proceed to follow asks for your instance name
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jacky tbh this isn't so bad
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[tantek] Maybe we need a follow: protocol that your Reader can handle
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jacky it's like a guide
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jacky [tantek]: you mean something like `follow://<URL>`?
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aaronpk that's kinda what I was experimenting with here https://aaronparecki.com/follow with the rel=subscribe
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Loqi Aaron Parecki
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petermolnar what are webactions?
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Loqi A web action is the interface and user experience of taking a specific discrete action, across the web, from one site to another site or application https://indieweb.org/webactions
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[tantek] Jacky yes
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petermolnar we tried this before and didn't work
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/rel-subscribe
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[tantek] Petemolnar we didn’t have social readers before
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jacky I'm toying with rel=subscribe
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jacky I only have https://v2.jacky.wtf/follow right now
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Loqi Follow Jacky Alciné
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[tantek] Conditions have changed
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jacky for the better! ^
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[tantek] Yup
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jacky hmm should this be built into microsub readers?
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jacky or rather
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aaronpk probz
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jacky actually
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jacky that'd lock one in to only have it in one reader
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jacky which isn't the _worst_
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jacky but if only one reader implements it, then it's only possible via that one
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jacky petermolnar: thank you for sparking this convo!
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aaronpk looks at the list of aperture issues to see if it's already in there
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[tantek] Jacky 1>0
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jacky true
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[tantek] That’s how it starts
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aaronpk cries a little at how many open issues there are
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jacky lol
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[tantek] See also mf2 process for adding properties
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jacky hmm I misunderstood this a bit
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aaronpk willnorris++ for his imageproxy project
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Loqi willnorris has 3 karma over the last year
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aaronpk that sure made it easy to get square versions of my photos
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petermolnar another perspective: from the direction of how we are not actively against utilizing silos as media of mass distribution, similarly to that, in my opinion, our tools for the reverse - following - action can't be solely indieweb/indie reader oriented. Which is why I was after a button or a URL I could add to my site for, in this case, for fediverse, to follow me with the help of fed.brid.gy. I forgot that this is not this simple, b
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petermolnar ecause I don't know the visitor's preferred instance, hence the remote_follow features in fediverse servers. (I filed a feature request to fed.brid.gy). Other than this, I think follow buttons for silos are not that trivial - I can link to my profile, but it'll still need an additional button. Am I mistaken?
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aaronpk willnorris++ again for the "smart crop" feature
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aaronpk petermolnar: twitter has a button that uses JS to pop up a dialog (or at least they used to), but because of the security around it, it's not possible to provide a button that will actually follow you when clicked
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petermolnar sEcUrItY
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aaronpk think about it, if you could visit my website and see a button which when clicked would follow me, then I could write code to click it automatically as soon as you visited
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petermolnar (sorry, not against you, against 2019, when my workplace has more security personnel, than engineers and devs)
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petermolnar aaronpk that is correct, I was not clear
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petermolnar one more button is not inheritantly wrong, but I can only link to my twitter profile, not to a page with a single button "yes, really subscribe" unless I'm mistaken
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aaronpk https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-for-websites/follow-button/overview
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aaronpk heh this works too https://twitter.com/intent/follow?screen_name=aaronpk
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aaronpk it's like a mini version of the profile page
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aaronpk because in reality you do want to see some context around the account you're about to follow
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petermolnar I didn't know this exists!
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petermolnar yes, this is exactly what I meant
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aaronpk hm, is there a way to explicitly indicate that the microformats in a post in a feed is not complete? that consumers *should* fetch the permalink for the full details?
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aaronpk inspects [schmarty]'s HTML to see how he got the floating corner icon
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[tantek] p-summary without p-content
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aaronpk hm
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aaronpk but that would mean adding an artificial p-summary
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aaronpk because i'm including only the photo property
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aaronpk i'm going to have only `u-url` and `u-photo` properties in the `h-entry` in this case. no published date, no text, etc
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aaronpk oh no, the parser is implying a name again
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aaronpk because there are no text values
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aaronpk well in that case i'll add a blank p-summary
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aaronpk ok gonna launch this and see what kind of a mess I made
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aaronpk hey not bad
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[Rose] Link?
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/photos
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[Rose] May I suggest a little padding between the pictures on mobile?
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aaronpk maybe 1px
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[Rose] But I love what you have!
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aaronpk thank goodness for cssgrid
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aaronpk ok 1px gap is there
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[Rose] Just enough spacing to help distinguish the images from one another. Nice.
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aaronpk goes back and adds a bunch of checkins with nice photos to the page
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sebsel aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 51 karma in this channel over the last year (191 in all channels)
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aaronpk ok just went and backdated a bunch of checkins back to mid september
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aaronpk still a lot more to go
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jacky hmmm
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jacky yeah w.r.t the twitter intent page
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jacky it looks like putting this into a microsub client is prob the best path
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jacky or even into something smaller that _only_ does this
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jacky https://follow.indieweb.org/?url=https://jacky.wtf could be a generic one that people start with before jumping into their preferred one of choice
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aaronpk the way microsub is written, you could definitely make an app that only does this part
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aaronpk for example you log in to this app to grant it permission to add stuff to your microsub server
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jacky yup yup
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jacky granted, that _one_ app would have a bit of insight into who follows who and at what time
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jacky off access logs alone
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jacky but \o/
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aaronpk sure but that's true of anything that is a service really
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jacky exactly
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jacky resists the urge to quickly hack this out
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk okay made it back through august now
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jacky oof time travelers
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jacky still working on making this _back_ into lwa
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jacky https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/4af12806-69fe-4670-a2d6-f3615a2a7a16
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jacky having invite support would make me want to use them like 2000% more
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aaronpk oo
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jacky if I could do it from the reader, I'd also be more willing to make them too
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jacky do it = RSVP
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jacky but tbh I think a dedicated event creation tool might be needed
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aaronpk events are like a whole thing
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jacky yeah and I like what gath.io does to a degree - I just want more history to events and a place on it for people to chat
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aaronpk whoa, a place to chat?
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jacky like reply to the event with updates and stuff
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jacky so I could have a event page with photos
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jacky (if it was public)
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aaronpk like organizers posting annoucnements? or discussion from attendees?
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jacky tbh both could be done but opting for the latter tbh
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jacky s/could/would be nice/g
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jacky (these aren't feature of gath, just things I'd like)
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aaronpk yeah I want my event pages to accept webmentions and show photos and such, I guess I just hadn't thought of that as "chat"
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gRegorLove I liked how upcoming.org pulled in flickr photos by machine tags back in the day
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jacky yeah chat is assumed to be real time
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aaronpk oh dear how do you isolate css in an svg to not spill out to other svgs on the page?
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aaronpk I don't even know the right words for that
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jacky hmm
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jacky do you mind using ids?
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jacky or even data attributes to make the specifiers more specific?
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aaronpk I want each svg inside its own little render bubble
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aaronpk check out the css in the web inspector for one of the pixels in the grid here https://aaronparecki.com/grid
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aaronpk it's getting styled by the css from all the other svgs too
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: yeah that is weird!
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[tantek] aaronpk++ wow that photos page is beautiful. well done
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Loqi aaronpk has 52 karma in this channel over the last year (192 in all channels)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: does it work if you move the SVG <style> outside the <def> element?
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aaronpk hm I don't have a good way to test that
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KartikPrabhu yeah me neither. I would have thought that you have some template to geenrate the SVGs so it would be easier to do there
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aaronpk they get stored in files once they're generated, so I have to go change them individually to test
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KartikPrabhu hmm maybe a simple test page with SVG and 2 <rect>s
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aaronpk yeah, this may be more than I have energy for at this point
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KartikPrabhu haha ok will test later if I have any downtime
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aaronpk ooh I can redo my 3-up photo layout with cssgrid too now huh
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KartikPrabhu cssgrid++
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Loqi cssgrid has 1 karma over the last year
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aaronpk oh maybe not, i'm doing some tricky resizing stuff with the photos
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KartikPrabhu huh! it needs more karma
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aaronpk anyway I should go to bed
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KartikPrabhu night!
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jacky is thinking about UX again
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jacky I think there's a way via micropub to determine if an existing post contains some attributes
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jacky like if I have a like post for something
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jacky that feels like it'd be a difficult thing for a flat-file system to determine
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jacky oh okay
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jacky https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/4
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Loqi [EdwardHinkle] #4 Query for Post List
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jacky specifically the ability to find a post that has a property
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jacky oof that's going to be hard to implement on my end tbh
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jacky actually kinda
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jacky if I know what property it is in advance (like if it's `like-of` etc) then it's a smaller pool
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