#dev 2019-11-27

2019-11-27 UTC
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[manton] Every blog hosted on Micro.blog is actually a Hugo site too. I've been really happy with it. All the themes are on GitHub too, and they have IndieWeb tweaks for Microformats, etc. https://github.com/microdotblog
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[jgmac1106] thx for reminder manton, I need to go update the page since you pushed so many theme fixes
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[jgmac1106] wonder if we should keep a help page on microformats on micro.blog or point people to the wiki or MDN, i sporadically check people who customize themes and they often mix up or remove mf2,
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[jgmac1106] I'll save it until December but happy to make some resources or something...
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[manton] That's a good idea. One of the problems people can run into is that they import a completely new Hugo theme to Micro.blog, but of course it's missing a bunch of useful MF2 and `<link>` tags, etc.
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[manton] It'd be useful to have a "here's how to quickly IndieWeb-ify your theme" guide.
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jacky word
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jacky or even like something that could be a very light 'scan' (does your page have rel-mes? is it showing an expected post? etc)
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jacky what is image proxy
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Loqi An image proxy is a service that fetches and re-serves images from a new URL https://indieweb.org/image_proxy
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jacky went with imageproxy by willnorris; so fast and simple!
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jacky and increased the speed of my microsub client by 2 seconds
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vika_nezrimaya https://fireburn.ru/posts/1574837759
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Loqi [Vika] IndieWeb #Micropub endpoint creators - how do you test your endpoints? Do you use a mock token endpoint or do you have a flag that bypasses it? How do you write unit tests? Testing in production doesn’t count! :3
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mblaney sorry vika_nezrimaya I just test in production :-)
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mblaney (whatever production means... it's just easy to have multiple websites)
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vika_nezrimaya mblaney: staging area doesn't count as production and as such it counts as testing
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vika_nezrimaya especially if your staging tests are somehow automated (if they're not it's ok but maybe you could automate it?)
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mblaney I don't have staging... just websites where it's ok if things break. I can roll changes out to them before they effect real users on other sites.
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mblaney definitely want to mock out tests at some point though, wouldn't use the network for that.
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jamietanna[m] vika_nezrimaya I've written a reply to you, should be there in ~10 mins (I really need to speed up my sites build/test/deploy)
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vika_nezrimaya 10 minutes for a reply? wow :3
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vika_nezrimaya now that's how I thought email works when I was small
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vika_nezrimaya I thought email was slow like snail mail... now I host a mail server myself and I know how fast is it
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jamietanna[m] Haha, it's more because I have a full pipeline for it, and do a lot of validation on the site which needs some heavy dependencies. Deffo could be better
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jamietanna[m] !tell chrisaldrich not sure if you're aware of this but I've just seen a post from you in my reader which has `https:\/\/chrisaldrich.wordpress.com\/?p=55670253` as its syndication (no post url present) that doesn't quite look like it should be an entry in the feed? Not sure tho
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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vika_nezrimaya jamietanna[m]: btw I'm planning on running a Kubernetes cluster for my website (overkill, but I need to learn how it works) so I'll have a big pipeline too
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vika_nezrimaya Every single service and endpoint will be tested and will be automatically deployed
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vika_nezrimaya but I need a server for it
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jamietanna[m] vika_nezrimaya nice! I didn't go to Kubernetes but I definitely did that on my own site https://www.jvt.me/talks/overengineering-your-personal-website/
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vika_nezrimaya Also this will provide seamless updates and with good test coverage will allow me to not break my website
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wink "make regen rsync" is really handy. and it takes up to 2sec ;)
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wink but what I'd been too lazy to build is some way to really deploy stuff (even new things) from somewhere else. for every new vhost I need an ansible run etc.
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wink and that's been not a thing for 10 years I guess. but apparently it's not worth it for me, otherwise I might have just done it :P
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jamietanna[m] I've got my hosting now with /Netlify so it's now less effort to manage infra, but I do still manage it for branch deploys as Netlify doesn't integrate with my GitLab CI setup unfortunately
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jamietanna[m] But yeah it does make it a pain as it's not nearly as instant as it could be. Damn quality assurance 😅
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wink jamietanna[m]: I did wonder about your idea of checking for broken links. is that for internal or external as well? because for me it's 100% fine to have 5 year old posts with broken links. otherwise I'm losing info where it went. only sensible thing for me would be adding a note and unlinking, but not sure that would be worth it for me
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[LewisCowles] is there anyone else that detests linters and thinks they are an immense waste of time and effort?
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wink in general? no.
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jacky [LewisCowles]: how so?
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[LewisCowles] well the rules they enforce generally are not just about improving readability
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[LewisCowles] We got an update of rubocop today and it now advises File.join(‘path/to/file’) instead of File.join(‘path’, ‘to’, ‘file’). It’s just useless arbitrary nonsense by idiots
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[LewisCowles] never mind the fact that ‘/typing/constants/if/refactored/can/lead//to/double/slashes/andmissingones’
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[LewisCowles] if I do or do not put a space between parenthesis, use single vs double quotes in an area that passes tests. Just seems like a waste of life
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[LewisCowles] all to please some strangers on the internet that elected themselves as knowing a thing. I also think it interferes with language syntax design, which is the hammer I’d smash the nail of unreadable code with.
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vika_nezrimaya [LewisCowles]: I use pylint but it doesn't suggest such weird edits. And even if it did, I'd just do # pylint: disable=stupid-rule and put an explanation why this rule doesn't apply here in a comment.
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[LewisCowles] I used flake8, but python is a wonderful language without oddities. I’m probably just mad at ruby, js, php.
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[LewisCowles] Can you see how the comment, unless necessary is more of an argument for not linting (python interpreter is pretty opinionated anyway)?
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[LewisCowles] also the worst offenders, C & C++. I’m not aware of a popular linting standard for. Most codebases either have a resonant style, or suck energy
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[LewisCowles] well perhaps worst offenders that are popular should be my caveat. Haskell, erlang, some other obscure languages seem designed to be difficult to read and parse anyway
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vika_nezrimaya I have no experience with Ruby and my last line of PHP code was written long ago, when I was, like, 14 maybe?
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vika_nezrimaya PHP turned out to be too hard for me
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[LewisCowles] if you use python + pdb + pdbpp, it’s difficult to accept anyone else setup. It’s very nice as a setup
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wink [LewisCowles]: I think rubocop is special. everyone is bitching :)
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wink [LewisCowles]: not a ruby user, but afaik teams use their own filterlist and not adopt the mainline rules because of stuff like this. I guess a problem is that it changes all the time.. back when I was writing PHP in a team we set our coding standard at the start of the project and only updated for good reasons.. just bumping the linter version should never introduce new rules....
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[LewisCowles] wink++
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Loqi wink has 1 karma over the last year
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[LewisCowles] that is also how I’ve always worked. I’ve no idea why this startup I’m at now has such a fetish for wasted time and effort. Currently learning material design often omits using built-in browser components, as do many “modern” UI libraries. This forces users to use JS (I suppose great if your model is built on selling ads & data, which are largely predicated on sneaky active-scripting) 😞
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jacky what is a composer
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Loqi Composer is a package manager for PHP libraries https://indieweb.org/Composer
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jacky hm close
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jacky what is posting
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Loqi create in the context of the indieweb refers to the act of and UI for creating a new post, in its simplest form, a new note https://indieweb.org/posting
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jacky what are contacts
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Loqi contacts refers to a set of people, organizations, groups and anything else with one or more addresses (often URLs) for communication https://indieweb.org/contacts
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jacky hm
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jacky I don't want to hammer this into micropub
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jacky but I do want a way to do auto-completion of nicknames or people to mention in the composer for my microsub client
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jacky it's not a requirement but I know it'll vastly improve the experience
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[tantek] what is nicknamecache
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "nicknamecache" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "nicknamecache is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] wat
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jacky that coupled with scanning the people in the channels that they're subscribed to help populate that list
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jacky what is nickname cache
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Loqi A nicknames cache is a way indieweb sites store information about people to improve the user experience of the site owner referring, mention, and/or linking to those people https://indieweb.org/nickname_cache
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[tantek] nicknamecache is /nickname_cache
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Loqi ok
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jacky ah nice
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[tantek] jacky yeah for now follow the work in there. I don't think anyone has a good brainstorm for how to add that kind of functionality to micropub though clearly that's a logical next step. I think it's still too early in experimentation etc. to figure out a "protocol" for auto-suggesting names. lots of privacy related issues there with address book / contacts access etc.
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aaronpk I think there's a brainstorming section on that for micropub
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aaronpk i'm getting close to wanting to build that for myself now
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jacky yus
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jacky there's also /autosuggest
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swentel jacky, it's high on my list as well for autocompleting in indigenous
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jacky which linked me to https://uxmag.com/articles/designing-search-as-you-type-suggestions; good tips on the experience of it
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jacky aye
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jacky glad this is an active brainstorm
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jacky going to add some info about lwa might do it to its page in a few
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aaronpk 👍
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jacky https://indieweb.org/Lwa#Auto_Suggestion is the chunk
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jacky because I can't search for it at the moment, aaronpk, do you go into the incoming source in monocle and proxy images?
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jacky goes to check actually
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jacky you do
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jacky er at least when you know you can
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jacky https://github.com/aaronpk/Monocle/search?q=proxy&unscoped_q=proxy
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swentel expanded the contacts section a bit on the micropub brainstorming page
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jacky swentel++
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Loqi swentel has 13 karma in this channel over the last year (29 in all channels)
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jacky didn't know there was a ticket already
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swentel well, only just a tiny brainstorm, not ticket yet
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jacky https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/7 is what I meant, my fault
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Loqi [dshanske] #7 Query for Supported Queries
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jacky I would just need a idea for a response (list of h-card makes the most sense) and I could go hack that in
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swentel hmm yeah, list of h-card's makes sense
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swentel the response is the easy part, the presentation will be the tedious part :)
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jacky lol indeed
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swentel so post types query returns ['post-types' => []]
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swentel so contacts could be something like ['contacts' => ['h-card 1', 'h-card 2']]
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swentel ok, example response added
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swentel feel free to change of course :)
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jacky checks out
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jacky nice
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jacky I'd def add `nickname` to that
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jacky but that's a bit of a personal bias, adding `@{NICKNAME}` in my posts generate the proper person-tag for me
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jacky versus me typing it out
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swentel yeah, I wasn't sure which properties are valid for an h-card
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swentel so if that's a valid one, that totally works for me
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jacky :)
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swentel easier than full name or url
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swentel I would hardly ever start typing that
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[tantek] http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card#Properties
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swentel aha, nickname is fine, good :)
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jacky now re: caching
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jacky this is super minute detailing, but this would be a great case to use Cache-Control to determine how long to keep this info
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jacky not super worried about needing to bust caches but it's def on my mind
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swentel oh interesting indeed
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swentel https://indieweb.org/Micropub-extensions#Query_for_Category.2FTag_List should probably listen to that as well
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swentel hmm the brainstorming page is in archive modus, should go to extensions
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swentel oh well
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swentel that's for another day :)
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swentel could be moved maybe when a first implementation is available
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jacky yup
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[KevinMarks] If you want a nice client-side autocomplete from a list, try awesomplete https://leaverou.github.io/awesomplete/
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[LewisCowles] awesomplete is cool. I first encountered it last year. Integrated in several systems. https://css3test.com/ is a very cool thing I found from the same author
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