#dev 2020-01-06

2020-01-06 UTC
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[tantek] Ok now I really want this as CAPTCHA library: https://twitter.com/brianroemmele/status/1213860120058220546
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@BrianRoemmele Consider: millions of years ago our antecedents gave a massive sacrifice of their left hemisphere. We lost a tremendous amount of short term memory and replaced it with Broca’s, Wernicke & the phonological loop. But why? So we can—talk. Thus chimpanzees can do this—we can’t: https://twitter.com/BrianRoemmele/status/1213860120058220546/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1213860120058220546)
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[tantek] (Must watch the video)
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swentel new release for indigenous: media endpoint can now be used for attached images (and also audio and video now)
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Loqi swentel: vika_nezrimaya left you a message 1 week ago: how does ?q=contact work? what do I need to implement in my server?
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Loqi swentel: vika_nezrimaya left you a message 1 week ago: ok nevermind found it
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Loqi swentel: vika_nezrimaya left you a message 1 week ago: or not
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Loqi swentel: vika_nezrimaya left you a message 1 week ago: I love you and your new contacts UI
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swentel and there's a simple GPS tracker in it
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swentel Loqi, tell vika_nezrimaya see https://indieweb.org/Micropub-extensions#Query_for_contacts also
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swentel hmm crap how does tell again
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swentel aah
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swentel !tell vika_nezrimaya see https://indieweb.org/Micropub-extensions#Query_for_contacts also
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] swentel++
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Loqi swentel has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (32 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] swentel, don't know if this is better for the Known channel or here, but having trouble logging into indigenous, I deleted all my tokens but when I log in it opens Known in the browser
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[jgmac1106] It is a Known issue: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden\r\nServer: nginx/1.14.0\r\nContent-Type: application/json\r\nTransfer-Encoding: chunked\r\nConnection: keep-alive\r\nX-Powered-By: PHP/7.2.7-1+ubuntu16.04.1+deb.sury.org+1\r\nCache-Control: no-cache, private\r\nDate: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 14:59:24 GMT", what I get in Monocle
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swentel well, opening the browser is normal, indigenous wants to ask for access and receive a token
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[jgmac1106] yes but then it didn't go back to indigenous. I was logged into Known in the embedded browser window
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[jgmac1106] I deleted all my tokens, uninstalled and then reinstalled the program, has to be a Known issue, will check to see if any other people are having it
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[jgmac1106] I have a token for Monocle, but not for Indigenous
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[jgmac1106] thats my 2020 goal, have a micropub endpoint on my website by EOY...summit too soon...I still have much to learn
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swentel GWG, tracker is released, suggestions welcome at https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-android/issues/282 :)
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Loqi [swentel] #282 Improvements to GPS tracker
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swentel (or bugs of course)
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GWG swentel: Still jetlagged and settling in, will do
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swentel GWG, also, not sure if wordpress supports it, but attachments to a post can now use the media endpoint
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swentel and 'photo' then receives the url
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swentel and audio and video is supported too now
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GWG swentel: It does
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[tantek] what is friends-only
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen or previously approved by the author https://indieweb.org/friends_only
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[tantek] [CrowderSoup] ^^^
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[CrowderSoup] Definitely going on my roadmap for my CMS 😄
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aaronpk speaking of private posts... we seem to continue to struggle with it because authentication is hard. i wonder if there's a way to avoid the problem, by using WebSub and a push model instead of trying to get authenticated feed fetching working.
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swentel I guess that makes sense indeed
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[tantek] ^^^ that sounds like a great approach
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[tantek] definitely add that to /friends_only#Brainstorming !
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[tantek] that's similar to the ActivityPub "inbox" model for delivery, except maybe by limiting it to only private posts we won't have their scaling problems
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[tantek] private / friends-only posts
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aaronpk yeah that's what made me think of it. because in the activitypub model, there is nothing special about private post delivery compared to public posts, so they get it almost just built in.
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[tantek] I do think we need better terms / differentiation of terms there. Private should literally mean private to *you* (and anyone you might want acting as you, per delegated access etc).
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aaronpk oh yeah we had that discussion recently
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[tantek] except even AP has their own problems with private posts
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[tantek] so I've been using friends-only or friends-mode
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[tantek] I like jacky's idea of a "weekend mode" also
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aaronpk sure there are still problems, but they've been able to make far more progress with UI because the delivery aspect is already there
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[tantek] agreed. it's been "good enough" at the plumbing level to keep iterating on the UI
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[tantek] jacky's idea btw: https://twitter.com/jackyalcine/status/1211384134989422593
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@jackyalcine I need a weekend/alt Twitter and a ‘normal’ Twitter. If only I could subject content to specific timelines/feeds. Simply done on my IndieWeb site! (twitter.com/_/status/1211384134989422593)
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[tantek] feels related to "friends-only"
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aaronpk we haven't even been able to get a functional poll-style version of protected/friends-only posts so we don't know what problems it might even have once it's running
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[tantek] poll-style?
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[tantek] what does this have to do with /poll posts?
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aaronpk poll vs push
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aaronpk not poll posts
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[tantek] polling not polls got it
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[tantek] what is a poll
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "poll" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "poll is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] wat
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[tantek] what is polling
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "polling" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "polling is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk really?
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[tantek] huh
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[tantek] pretty sure there is a page about polls somewhere
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/question
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[tantek] poll is /question
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] what is polling
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Loqi polling is also known as periodically fetching, and part of the problem with the “just use RSS!” attitude by some old-school bloggers who are ignoring about 15 years of social media UX and protocols work, specifically the “thundering herd” problem as well as the overpolling problem of popular sites; use WebSub instead per https://tantek.com/2018/024/t4/websub-recommendation https://indieweb.org/polling
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[tantek] I'll leave it to aaronpk or kevinmarks to improve that >:)
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aaronpk oh gosh
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jamietanna[m] Has anyone got an example of what a quote tweet looks like with bridgy? I've looked at https://brid.gy/about#quote-tweet but can't 100% get what the markup should look like from the excerpt
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[tantek] do you mean input or output?
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[tantek] what is a quote
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Loqi A quotation is a type of response post that is primarily a subset of the contents of another post, and often has a citation of that other post https://indieweb.org/quote
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[tantek] ^^^ jamietanna[m] check that for how to markup
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[tantek] pretty sure Bridgy implemented what was documented
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jamietanna[m] Sorry yeah so I see that, but I'm guessing that means that _as well as_ the `u-repost-of`, there's the `h-cite`?
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[tantek] Sorry I don't understand the question. Use the most minimal markup allowed to start with.
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aaronpk that page could use a complete example of the markup and parsed result
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aaronpk but yes the intent is the "repost-of" property is an "h-cite" object in the parsed result
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[tantek] I don't think h-cite is required, nor should it be
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aaronpk the question was what bridgy does
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aaronpk that would be the complete example
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[tantek] I don't think that's the right approach
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[tantek] I would start with the minimum viable markup for this, publish it, try it with bridgy, and if it doesn't work as expected, file an issue
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aaronpk oh i thought this was about what bridgy is publishing
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[tantek] since clear the page is still "in development" as you observed from what it "could use", it's better to treat it that way and help refine it through practical work rather than not
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aaronpk like what a quote tweet from twitter looks like in bridgy
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aaronpk not how to publish a quote tweet with bridgy publish
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[tantek] wait yeah haha is this for Bridgy Publish or Bridgy Backfeed jamietanna[m]?
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aaronpk i agree for publishing, you wouldn't include the full h-cite object
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jamietanna[m] Sorry should've explained better!
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jamietanna[m] I'm looking to perform Bridgy publishing
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[tantek] 🤜
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swentel jamietanna[m], fwiw, it took me a couple of iterations for getting that markup right too (within Drupal, tricky stuff there)
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swentel use the preview option in bridgy to test first :)
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swentel so you don't spam too many users hehe
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jamietanna[m] swentel do you have an example I may be able to compare against?
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swentel jamietanna[m], https://realize.be/repost/1840
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Loqi https://twitter.com/veganfoodliving/status/1109060908720898048
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swentel hmm wait
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swentel something is not right
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jamietanna[m] thanks, what do you think isn't right?
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jamietanna[m] also swentel++ for another awesome Indigenous release 🙌
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swentel yeah, I like this one too :)
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swentel I actually like the media endpoint approach now, so it's a good thing people kept asking for it ;)
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swentel jamietanna[m], updated the post, e-content now has actual content
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swentel which brid.gy will use as the content for the tweet
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jamietanna[m] Thanks, I'll see if I can get it working!
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gRegorLove QT through bridgy can be as simple as including the full tweet URL. E.g. https://gregorlove.com/2019/12/i-was-going-into-tosche/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] “I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters!” https://twitter.com/AdamLanceGarcia/status/1202026496912703488
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aaronpk that makes sense
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aaronpk depends on if you want to show the QT contents on your site i guess
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gRegorLove Yeah, I've left that as a future enhancement for now :)
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swentel oh, that's easier indeed
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aaronpk that's what tantek was getting at above
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jamietanna[m] Looks like it didn't work when I put https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/01/8xajg/ but I'll try adding the tweet URL in the post!
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Loqi [Jamie Tanna] https://twitter.com/CarolSaysThings/status/1214269323549822976
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gRegorLove Found an earlier example that worked: https://gregorlove.com/2017/01/i-joined-the-aclu-today/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] I joined the ACLU today and encourage you to donate. Send @sacca your receipt; he is matching up to $75K. We filed suit against @RealDonaldTrump's #MuslimBan ACLU and Other Groups Challenge Trump Immigration Ban After Refugees Detained at Airports...
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gRegorLove No repost-of
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@bradenslen I have a theory that #indieweb #webmentions like we see on Wordpress, help excite Googlebot. Webmentions, between blogs encourage longer, more frequesnt replies/comments to a post. Googlebot responds to that added activity and text. Sample is limited tho. (twitter.com/_/status/1214303163089641473)
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[tantek] This is my point, there should not need to be a "repost-of" property for a *quote* post
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[tantek] a quote is not a repost
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[tantek] that would be extraneous markup that would be confusing at best, and breaking things at worst
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jamietanna[m] Ah that makes sense. I've followed gRegorLove and just added a link - will see what happens next time I do a quote tweet!
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