#dev 2020-03-06

2020-03-06 UTC
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[tantek] TIL Eran moved his domain to Medium. 😞
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aaronpk yea :( a while ago
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[snarfed] domain is still serving fine, right? ie it's not redirecting to medium.com.
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Loqi [snarfed]: jamietanna[m] left you a message 16 hours, 49 minutes ago: I've added it to my todo list - but may not be in the next couple of weeks as things are super busy. I'll see how I get on though - but may be able to do it at IWC London!
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[benatwork] A note here: Medium has stopped offering this. So new domains can't transfer there, and at some point I'm certain they'll turf the existing ones off.
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[snarfed] right, they did. and it may not be our favorite host for other reasons. but still
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aaronpk yea, it's still on his domain, but because it's medium it starts advertising posts at the bottom from other medium users, and the footer says "medium" which is something I would never want on my own blog
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[snarfed] right. still though, let a thousand flowers bloom and all
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aaronpk yeah, and if the alternative was that his blog disappeared and he stopped blogging, this is better
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Refbacks are almost all noise/very little signal. Ping/Trackbacks look dreadful and I don't receive many. Webmentions have been AWESOME & just required 2 simple plugins for WordPress. My very small personal site gets about 6,000 rxns/yr. [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/05/55768715/ (twitter.com/_/status/1235735831156932615)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I’ve gone full IndieWeb, but for Webmention you’ll want the Webmention & Semantic Linkbacks plugins. If you want to go full-bore, which I suspect you may based on what I see on your website, who you’re following, and how you’re using it, you [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/05/55768715/?replytocom=281649#respond (twitter.com/_/status/1235792464927023104)
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@feather I'm trying to implement webmentions so need to post a thing here to a recent post: http://feather.ca/getting-started-speaking/ (twitter.com/_/status/1235798535716691969)
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cweiske aaronpk, is websub.rocks running the latest code version?
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aaronpk I believe so, at least whats on master
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aaronpk I haven't had time to look at your PRs yet sorry
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cweiske websub.rocks does not store my hub URL, and I always have to paste it again in the url fields. on my dev system this works
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cweiske which is why I thought it could be old code on live
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aaronpk hmm... I can double check
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aaronpk but not til tomorrow which is I guess later today evening for you
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cweiske do you still need websub impl reports, or is that over?
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[datashaman] aside: a neat pattern i've used in projects is to publish a file /version.txt which has the latest git commit hash in it
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cweiske we call it REVISION
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aaronpk They're always useful, but the requirement to demonstrate implementations for the W3C process is over
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cweiske btw, does chat.indieweb.org support websub?
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cweiske my search engine has websub support, so if chat would publish, the search indexer could subscribe
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aaronpk I think it does
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aaronpk I think I added it for your search engine
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cweiske link: <https://switchboard.p3k.io/>; rel="hub"
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cweiske oh
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cweiske awesome
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aaronpk I haven't touched that in a long time tho so let me know if it looks like it's not working
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aaronpk jamietanna[m]: so the unfortunate thing about webmention.io is that i started it before I made xray, so it actually takes apart the webmention data and puts it back together for the JSON API. If I were to redo it now, I would just pass the XRay data through
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aaronpk part of that process is where it gets mixed up about what the actual thing being responded to is
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jamietanna[m] Ah OK. So do you think it'd probably make sense to replace it with XRay integration instead of fix it as is? (which obviously is a larger piece of work)
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aaronpk i'm not sure tbh
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aaronpk it already does use XRay now to actually get the data
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aaronpk but it's still then picking apart the data to store it in the database
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aaronpk a possible solution is to change it to store the complete XRay response instead. would be a heck of a migration to convert all the existing data though
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aaronpk also the project is using datamapper which has been long abandoned in ruby so that's kind of disheartening every time i go dig in to the code
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aaronpk so really i need to rebuild the whole thing :/
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GWG aaronpk: How many active users does it have?
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aaronpk hm
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aaronpk active, like has received a webmention lately?
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aaronpk i'm adding about 30-50 new users per month over the last year or so
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GWG aaronpk: Let's say activity in the last 90 days
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GWG Just roughly
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aaronpk 338 websites have received a webmention on webmention.io in the last 90 days
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aaronpk 33,700 webmentions
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jamietanna[m] Nice
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[snarfed] aaronpk++
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[snarfed] webmention.io++
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Loqi aaronpk has 56 karma in this channel over the last year (200 in all channels)
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Loqi webmention.io has 1 karma over the last year
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GWG Shows the viability of webmentions
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aaronpk that reminds me, i feel like i still owe [snarfed] some updates
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[snarfed] obligatory: https://snarfed.org/1-million-webmentions , and current best guess of 2.4M total based on bridgy's ~95% of volume
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[snarfed] (may be a bit lower now due to micro.blog?)
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[snarfed] aaronpk: which? wm.io domains? eh don't worry about it, i deprioritized on my end for now
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aaronpk 👍
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[jgmac1106] so maybe chrisaldrich your answer to the company would be on average sites that use IndieWeb building blocks get 100 interactions with user generated content over a 90 day priviledge, these users probably being in your younger more affluent target demographic
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[jgmac1106] business--
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Loqi business has -1 karma over the last year
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[jgmac1106] [snarfed] in terms of "not cheap" can you ball park and recommend a vendor? Will just write it into every grant.
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[jgmac1106] As I stated earlier I am interested in for two reasons, my personal academic research, and two Mozilla future products team doing research.
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[jgmac1106] I have always dreamed of the read/write browser that works with my wesbite, if that comes to be through micropub, cool....just bout time someone made it happen
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[snarfed] [jgmac1106] continuing the thread from #indieweb? the question you want to answer is...how many web sites are "plumbing" indieweb, ie support mf2 and/or webmention and/or micropub?
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[snarfed] honestly i don't know. purely $ cost in compute etc, based on my first indiemap attempt w/Common Crawl, maybe $2k-2M?
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[snarfed] too many unknowns, need more investigation to narrow down any further
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[jgmac1106] oops didnt mean to switch channels my bad
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[jgmac1106] 5k-5m honest esitmates all around
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@ChrisAldrich If Twitter doesn't love you, the IndieWeb would. I wish Twitter clients like @tweetings @twitterrific @tweetbot @TalonAndroid would support Micropub for publishing and Microsub for reading/following. [more...] #BreakingMyTwitter https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/06/apps-of-a-feather-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1236005622308429825)
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@bmann ↩️ I totally agree with you! Webmentions is one possibility, but it doesn't handle Tweetstorms, per se, just grabs tweets-as-comments. I wrote up my mini idea of a Micropub Tweetstorm builder that would post to your own blog https://talk.fission.codes/t/micropub-tweetstorm-builder/433 (twitter.com/_/status/1236014031174955008)
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@bmann ↩️ I had to briefly troubleshoot my self-hosted webmentions :), but check out all the tweets that got pulled in on this laptop article: https://blog.bmannconsulting.com/laptop-choices/ I'm super glad I have that discussion in my own space! This path will lead you down the route of #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1236019869507710976)
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[tantek] For fellow devs interested in Ethical Web Principles: https://github.com/w3ctag/ethical-web-principles/issues/25
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Loqi [tantek] #25 Proposed Ethical Web Principle: Avoid enabling and amplifying dark patterns
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[tantek] I feel like we're quite good about deliberately avoiding dark patterns in the indieweb stuff we build, looking to generalize and get it adopted as a higher level principle for specifications as well
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[schmarty] tantek: seems like a good clause to add! the idea of empowering individuals definitely precludes tricking or pressuring them into things that they will regret.
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[schmarty] looking at this list of issues (but not yet the document) - is there any language about collective-good type things, like preventing harassment and stalking?
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jacky https://gitlab.com/jimdigriz/oauth2-worker