#dev 2020-07-11

2020-07-11 UTC
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jmac awesome, I'll pass that along
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jmac Joe is the first known non-jmac user of Whim so he gets platinum-level customer support from me
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aaronpk nice lol
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[tantek] what is platinum-level customer support
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "platinum-level customer support" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "platinum-level customer support is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jmac beyond my pay grade
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[tantek] platinum-level customer support is what you as a creator of your own [[CMS]] or IndieWeb hosting service should give to the first person (besides yourself) who decides to try using it.
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] what is Whim
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jmac Delightfuo
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Loqi Whim is a command-line program and Unix daemon for sending, receiving, managing, and displaying webmentions https://indieweb.org/Whim
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jmac *Delightful
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vika_nezrimaya https://twitter.com/kisik21/status/1281753062772793344?s=20
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@kisik21 I hope @aaronpk doesn't mind me using his h-card to generate placeholder content for testing my templates https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcmzmR-XkAAWg9n.png (twitter.com/_/status/1281753062772793344)
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aaronpk lol what
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vika_nezrimaya I needed a second h-card for testing a template because I didn't want to use mine again, and I used yours, sorry
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vika_nezrimaya I hope you're not mad at me >.<
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vika_nezrimaya sorry
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk you can use https://loqi.me too!
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Loqi https://loqi.me/photos/loqi-capy.jpg https://loqi.me/photos/loqi-mustache.jpg https://loqi.me/photos/loqi-pony.jpg https://loqi.me/photos/lo...
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aaronpk y u so slow Loqi
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vika_nezrimaya Loqi's h-card could serve as an example of a minimal h-card for testing, nice
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vika_nezrimaya btw how's the design?
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vika_nezrimaya I'll probably need to work on accessibility A LOT there because of cute emoji icons
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aaronpk looking good! i'm impressed you're doing proper nesting!
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aaronpk one suggestion, with the timestamp so large it looks more important than the text of the post, so maybe use smaller text or a lighter color for that
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vika_nezrimaya smaller text, lighter colors may not be good for accessibility
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vika_nezrimaya and what's so hard about nesting?
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vika_nezrimaya I'm using a recursive template for comments, when it finds comments inside a comment, it renders them with the same template
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aaronpk neat. i haven't tried doing that yet
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aaronpk if you're worried about making it smaller or lighter, then consider using other tools to emphasize the main content
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aaronpk like ordering, placement, etc
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vika_nezrimaya mostly about lighter
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vika_nezrimaya because you can use zoom to look at smaller stuff
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vika_nezrimaya made the metadata section .833em
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jmac Ah yes, the Aaron Ipsum placeholder, classic
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vika_nezrimaya also the JSON spoiler is a debug feature, it won't be present in the final product
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vika_nezrimaya jmac: Aaron Ipsum? We have a name for this?!
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jmac As of 48 seconds ago, sure
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vika_nezrimaya I think with these nested comments I could support Salmention if my future Micropub endpoint will send webmentions on each and every update
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vika_nezrimaya they're marked up as "u-comment h-cite"
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vika_nezrimaya wait, doesn't this mean that as long as I can person-tag people, I can pass SWAT0 as player A?
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GWG Hmm...this is interesting... https://maps.lima-labs.com/about/
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aaronpk neat
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GWG I may email them.
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GWG aaronpk: I think I've run out of backporting and simple improvements on your static maps API.
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[tantek] lol Aaron Ipsum. I do say we use the bot instead, it's even alliterative with the original
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[tantek] Loqi Ipsum instead of Lorem Ipsum
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[tantek] !ipsum
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vika_nezrimaya [tantek]: I forgot that Loqi has an h-card too
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jacky hmm PKCE looks simple enough to implement
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jacky it seems like the state value but a bit longer lived (like up to the point of fetching a token) and with some more explicit hashing
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jacky wait no there's a blog post
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jacky oh no it's a video with a timestamp ;)
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jacky even better
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aaronpk i have lots of videos about pkce :)
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jacky that makes so much sense (in response to the video)
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jacky it'd be trivial to add for my site
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jacky probably a bit more trickier for a more decoupled site
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aaronpk yeah it's really not bad
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aaronpk i added some videos for you here https://oauth.net/2/pkce/
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GWG Okay, one more idea.
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jacky oh I seen the Implicit Flow one
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jacky hmm I might have to think about how I do 'scheduled' webmentions
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jacky aaronpk: so I just sent you a webmention and wm.io sends back a URL (https://webmention.io/aaronpk/webmention/D7FFKpcqN-9Piu8lyxIm for example)
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jacky I also send a URL to hit when processing is done but I'm guessing wm.io doesn't use that
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jacky I think this time window might be enough to give 'fallback' support for those who don't callback but do update their status page
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aaronpk Not sure I follow
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jacky it's the flow of /async_webmentions
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jacky like when I send it to you, I add a `callback` param. in the event that the status URL changes, instead of me refreshing/polling, I can get a callback about the changes
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jacky (I use this in Lighthouse to do things like resolving the 'actual' target of a webmention from bridgy for example)
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aaronpk Ah right
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GWG Okay, now I'm running a caching static map endpoint and I've written the integration into my plugin. Should be interesting.
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GWG Wonder what else I can self host
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@jamiemchale ↩️ If you make your own website it's pretty easy to get up and running with http://webmention.io - they provide an API to query for your mentions. I bring the data into Gatsby GraphQL, and then just look up matching mentions when creating each post page. (twitter.com/_/status/1281862612519706624)
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@jamiemchale Updated my website last night: using theme-ui, tidying up some layout issues, and fixing Webmentions. Webmentions mean if you like a tweet that links to a post on my site, then that like shows up (eventually!) at the bottom of the page. e.g. https://www.jamiemchale.com/month-notes/2020-06-june (twitter.com/_/status/1281862611244658688)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ The chrome one actively hides the fragment from the site being linked to though, so hard to handle with client JS. It could potentially work with webmention to do marginalia https://indieweb.org/marginalia (twitter.com/_/status/1281921226412183552)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ webmention is a good basis for that, especially when combined with the right kinds of markup - come to https://chat.indieweb.org/dev to talk about it (twitter.com/_/status/1281926564763054081)
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GWG I just fixed moon phase and illumination... should I show that per post?
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GWG Have I reached peak weather craziness?
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[KevinMarks] that would be showing if mercury is in retrograde
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GWG [KevinMarks]: If Zegnat can put his Hogwarts house on his h-card...the sky's the limit for weather.
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GWG At least I'm not the only WordPress weather user. https://weather.station.software/
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GWG This guy outdoes me
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cjw6k aaronpk: you mentioned an IndieAuth 1.1 here recently. Any thoughts on dropping the path component requirement for client ID? My experience has shown it's the norm among clients to leave provide no path componenet.
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cjw6k *leave it out,
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[jgmac1106] Or gwg you will stumble into making the most profitable astrology theme ever.... Especially if you follow Kevin's advice
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[jgmac1106] Gimme different CSS for La Nina and El Nino... Can't find correct spelling on SwiftKey.. Apologies
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aaronpk If most clients did that then that's a good candidate for dropping it
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aaronpk can you open an issue and collect examples?
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[schmarty] lol i was literally today pondering examples of micropub clients that would include path components in client identifiers
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[schmarty] (generated client_ids to test that auth endpoints do fetch the client page to look for redirect_uris, for example)
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sknebel you mean "path components that are not just '/'"? :D
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cjw6k i tried! https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth/issues/38
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Loqi [cjw6k] #38 Path component in client_id considered optional
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[schmarty] just checked some of my clients (/Screech , /Slater , and /Kapowski ) and none send a path component in client_id 😅
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[schmarty] i agree with jamietanna that the next section (requiring a missing URL path to be treated as "/") makes sense. perhaps the wording could be cleaned up.
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