#dev 2020-10-23

2020-10-23 UTC
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[fluffy] ah right, Iā€™d heard that specific thing before but had forgotten the details.
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[tantek] Turkish also lacks gendered pronouns, there's just one pronoun for he/she/it: o
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vilhalmer that's extremely efficient and I'm a big fan
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aaronpk wait for real? i love it
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[tantek] yup for real. https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamir
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[tantek] I can roughly translate if need be
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[tantek] Since the W3C TPAC sessions will be going on next week, those of you who want t participate or like to lurk in such things may want to get on W3C's IRC and join the tpac and tpac-chat channels there
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sknebel thx, done
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Zegnat Saw some interesting sessinos there, I might just lurk/listenin to some. Though as most are work hours I will have to clear them with my boss
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Lionir I was thinking about linking my accounts to a subdomain which would redirect to the account (which would allow for them to be permalinks and explain for example if I no longer have an account since the redirect can change) but that would break rel=me, is there anything that could be done for that?
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Zegnat Have an additional rel=me link that you do not display to visitors, that just exist for relme mapping?
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Lionir Isn't invisible metadata unwanted? I mean, I guess since my homepage has them hidden, I could just keep it like it is with direct links and have my about page where things are visible use the redirects since I wouldn't use that auth.
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Zegnat I am not a big fan, because it it easy to forget and not update. But if you feel it is bad to link to your other profiles without a redirect, you need to find the middle of the road somewhere.
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Lionir I don't think it's bad per se, I just think it can be useful since it would mean all my accounts would have a permalink and if anyone found it in the future, it could redirect to the right place or to a blog post explaining my departure from said account. I feel like that could be quite handy. Especially for accounts which might move dramatically like my Fediverse account. But yeah, it does make it easy to forget since I have to remember two
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Lionir places.
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[KevinMarks] Rel=me parsing should follow redirects
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[KevinMarks] If it's a 301 or 302
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[KevinMarks] Presumably when you add the backlink from the new place you can remember to update the forward link
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Lionir Ooo, it's a 302, time to see if it'll work, hehe
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Zegnat There is a browser addon for on the fly tsting
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Lionir Welp, Indielogin.com doesn't follow the links
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aaronpk check the 302/301 examples https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#redirect-examples
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sknebel for rel-me?
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Zegnat I guess IndieLogin.com does not claim to support RelMe (technicality :P)
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Zegnat s/RelMe/RelMeAuth/
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aaronpk correct
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aaronpk what exactly are you trying to do?
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Lionir I was just trying to have `https://github.thelion.website` as a permalink to my github (and the same would be the case for other accounts)
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Loqi Lionir
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aaronpk oh well if you are asking if indielogin.com is going to figure out that's a github link, no
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aaronpk it doesn't fetch links when discovering possible providers since that would require fetching an arbitrary number of links before any authentication is done
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Lionir Would it do that if it had `rel="redirect_uri me"`?
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Lionir Actually, I think I'm misunderstanding that rel, nvm.
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aaronpk what I mean is I explicitly don't want it to have to fetch links before determining if they are possible authentication providers
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Lionir I guess I'll just leave the invisible metadata on the webpage without the permalinks and just have those in the about page where it's visible.
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Zegnat Wondering if we should delist indielogin.com as a relmeauth implementation for that
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aaronpk probably
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aaronpk i gave up on relmeauth a while ago tbh
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aaronpk since the silos stopped returning HTML that made sense, and also because the rel=me backlink isn't necessary if you're going to be doing an oauth flow anyway
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Lionir Actually, I think I'll go ahead and only use the permalinks. I'll start putting an email soon so that'll work with LndieLogin.com. That should still work if it's forwarding to something else, right?
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Lionir (I assume it'll just send me a code or something)
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Zegnat Yep, it sends a code
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Lionir Good, that works for me hehe
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Lionir Oooo, here's something that could be interresting. Just something that popped in my mind (and probably a bad idea) but it could send webmentions, right?
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Lionir Actually nevermind, too many sites show them, that would be a bad idea.
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Zegnat Yeah, very unsure whether the receiver would have to do any action to proof they were supposed to receive it. So not a very secure place to send a secret code. Even email you can assume they enter a password at some point to access their mail
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[chrisbergr] indielogin.com send's me to my wp-login interface. That was unexpected.
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Zegnat [chrisbergr]: you probably have an IndieAuth plugin installed?
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Zegnat If you have, then your site functions os its own OAuth provider. So no need for IndieLogin to go and send you off to a silo
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[chrisbergr] I see šŸ™‚
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GWG The IndieAuth plugin
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GWG There's only one
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[snarfed] [Denver_Prophit], moving here, re querying https://indiemap.org/ by tag, the data is in BigQuery, so you can use SQL to query all fields, substrings, etc. https://indiemap.org/docs.html#data-mining
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