#dev 2020-10-26

2020-10-26 UTC
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[tantek] sebbu, OIDC doesn't actually provide any kind of meaning full cross-client/server interop, so it's basically either a crap standard (standards are for interop), or worse, it's openwashing.
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jjuran What is openwashing?
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Loqi openwashing is the antipattern of producing something non-open, or with non-open methods/maintenance, then claiming it is open, or marketing it as open, with perhaps superficial resemblance or motions that appear to make it open, but not open in practice, whether open standards, open source, open licensing, etc https://indieweb.org/openwashing
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Zegnat We specifically use OIDC because of the standard and the interop. Our centralised SSO offers OIDC, which then allows other departments to use standard OIDC extensions for things like WordPress to interop with it.
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[Denver_Prophit] If I have a technical whitepaper with say 3 authors, how would I markup the other two contributors?
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[Denver_Prophit] https://indieweb.org/authorship does not talk about contributors.
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[Denver_Prophit] [jgmac1106] cites https://indieweb.org/authorship-spec having multiple authors on https://jgregorymcverry.com/ccglobalsummit.html [tantek]
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librelearner Hey everyone
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librelearner Have an interesting perspective for the folks in here that requires a conceptual answer along the lines of what you guys provide on your site
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librelearner I'm having a serious case of imposter syndrome. I don't have any formal schooling in tech and I'm not sure how far, close etc., I am to anyone else or what other developers, coders, programmers, etc., know that I don't know.
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librelearner At the same time, I love tech & computers. I want to publish information & teach others & contribute. But I'm not sure how easy / hard this is. I don't know how many others can 'do what I do', or whether I should even gauge my abilities by that benchmark.
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librelearner I was homeless 3-4 years ago and managed to get myself to a decent baseline by literally going to the library at a local community college, pretending to be a student and spending the days learning enough to make a webpage.
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librelearner That's when I promoted my services writing papers for students. From there, I received enough to start another business, which ended up doing *very well*. Since that time, I've found myself very far down the rabbithole of tech. I feel like I know a hell of a lot, but I"m unsure whether I do or not.
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librelearner Other times, that statement feels ridiculously arrogant & disrespectful
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librelearner That's all, would appreciate you all's feedback
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GWG librelearner: I know plenty of successful people without formal schooling in tech.
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jeremycherfas Agreed, formal education and qualifications are probably lower in tech than any other field. (OK, that's an outrageous oversimplification and guess.) But, "writing papers for students" is not something I would put on my CV if I wanted anyone to take me seriously. Maybe someone wrote your CV for you?
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GWG Zegnat: Thanks for the review
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[tantek] clients being able to use an API is not "interop". that's just an API. which WordPress extension works with arbitrary OIDC servers (or clients)?
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[tantek] Zegnat ^
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Zegnat Apparently https://wordpress.org/plugins/miniorange-openid-connect-client/
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Loqi [miniOrange] Description WordPress OpenID Connect (OIDC / openidconnect) Client plugin allows Single Sign On (SSO) with any OpenID Connect provider that conforms to the OpenID Connect 1.0 standard. [ACTIVE SUPPORT] You can SSO to your WordPress site with any OA...
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Zegnat They also make a SAML version of that plugin, that is also being used internally here to connect with our domain controller
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aaronpk the real question is how much that plugin had to customize for each provider they list in the "supported providers" list
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[tantek] this ^
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[tantek] and if were to launch my own OIDC provider purely by following the spec, would it work out of the box with the existing WordPress plugin without any changes to it?
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Zegnat That seems to be the case, yes. They are testing that now, I can get you a more exact answer on that later
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Zegnat is not involved with the WordPress side of the business
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aaronpk OIDC does have a full test suite and even a certification program. I haven't looked into what's involved with it exactly but I know they promote it a lot
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[tantek] full test suite is a good step forward
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[tantek] sknebel, where in reply-context discussions did we chat about multiple authors?
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[tantek] is that for showing multiple authors *in* a reply-context? of the thing you're replying to?
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[tantek] curious if that's been captured in Brainstorming or in some other way
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[KevinMarks] https://indieweb.org/authorship-spec#multiple_authors
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sknebel yes, of the thing replied to (paper, long-form article with multiple authors)
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sknebel at least from what I rmemeber
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sknebel and there tbh the authorship algorithm doesn't matter that much, since someone consuming your page with the reply-context isn't going to use authorship algorithm to get to the authors of the context :D
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sknebel adapting authorship algorithm only is relevant when you publish mf2-marked-up documents with multiple authors, which hasn't come up as much
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sknebel (i.e. if I want to indicate multiple authors in the h-cite for a reply context, I can just provide multiple h-cards and that works at least from a publishing side, I don't know if/how readers handle that)
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[KevinMarks] https://jgregorymcverry.com/ccglobalsummit
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sknebel (I think there was the issue for microsub that jf2 assumes one author, so even if the reader parses the context it cant't give that to the client? but again going from memory)
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[KevinMarks] Has 2 authors
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[Denver_Prophit] [KevinMarks] I saw the source. Seems simple enough to store the authors in json data markup. Just wasn't sure how the reader would consume x2~3 authors...
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[Denver_Prophit] I did create https://github.com/indieweb/authorship/issues/6 I didn't know if there was a place you guys kept track of the feature request.
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Loqi [inetbiz] #6 Equivalent to https://schema.org/contributor
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GWG sknebel: I opened the microsub issue
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GWG Just noticed if you mistype microsub it becomes microusb
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jacky Just noticing the links on https://avc.com/2020/10/removing-the-ceo/
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jacky an interesting view/lens of "web actions" (in a way)
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[KevinMarks] https://twitter.com/EricaJoy/status/1320798555506765825?s=20
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@EricaJoy @fredwilson @the__dude98 @can @coinbase if you weren't intentionally describing coinbase to the letter here: senior leadership revolving door? ✅ ceo messed up important relationships? ✅ toxic organization as a result of the CEO's personality? ✅ you accidentally did and...that might merit further thought! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElRqmoVU0AAtPSk.png (twitter.com/_/status/1320798555506765825)
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[KevinMarks] https://twitter.com/fredwilson/status/1320796362863161344?s=20
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@fredwilson @the__dude98 @can @coinbase I am talking about the CEO of the United States of America. Wasn't that obvious? (twitter.com/_/status/1320796362863161344)
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[tantek] wow
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[tantek] jacky, re: interesting view/lens of "web actions" (in a way), absolutely! Those are silo-specific webaction fallbacks which I'm pretty sure the existing /webactions page covers, and perhaps we could capture that presentation accordingly
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[tantek] looks like the fallback stuff is scattered but here's an example with a few tweet actions: https://indieweb.org/webactions#Wrap_favorite_reply_retweet
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[Joe_Masilotti] Hey everyone! I’ve been working on an independent tool for a while and am finally live on Product Hunt today. It generates link preview images for your blog with one line of HTML. I’d love some support! https://www.producthunt.com/posts/mugshot-bot
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gRegorLove Nice, congrats!
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jacky ooh clever
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[KevinMarks] Neat, and better than my old effort
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[KevinMarks] Though if you parsed for microformats you could do more than with ogp
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gRegorLove Is it text only, or will it use a featured image if it's found in OGP?
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gRegorLove `og:image` that is
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jacky ^ curious about this
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gRegorLove Maybe that's not the use-case though, maybe this is to generate placeholder OGP if your site doesn't have it already?
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jacky \o/
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